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Buying in pre-open??

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How come Yanks can buy/sell stocks in "pre-open"

Eg. From marketWatch
Dow member Altria Group Inc. said first-quarter net income fell to $2.75 billion, or $1.30 a share, from $3.48 billion, or $1.65 a share. On an adjusted continuing operations basis it earned $1.03 a share. Analysts had been expecting earnings of $1.05 a share. The company also raised its profit forecast from continuing operations for the year to a range of $4.20 to $4.25 a share, from its prior view of $4.15 to $4.20 a share.

The stock slipped 1.1% to $69.33 ahead of the open.

Also in the Dow, General Motors said global first-quarter sales rose 3% to 2.3 million cars and truck from 2.2 million vehicles a year earlier. The Detroit automaker said its global market share fell to 13% from 13.1%.
The stock gave up 0.6% to $31.51 in the pre-open.

How come they can do this?
Can we do this on ASX?

And when can you actually start trading in the States?
Obviously before 9.30??

Thanks.
 
nizar,
No you cannot trade pre-open. Pre-open allows bids/offers to be placed/amended in the market, but no trading. What this statement means is that offers during the pre-open were enough to open the price 0.6% lower when it did in fact open.

Nick
 
nizar,
No you cannot trade pre-open. Pre-open allows bids/offers to be placed/amended in the market, but no trading. What this statement means is that offers during thr pre-open were enough to open the price 0.6% lower when it did in fact open.

Nick

Oh I see, like an indicative opening?
That normally means nothing here especially 1hr before the open...

Thanks Nick.
 
nizar,
No you cannot trade pre-open. Pre-open allows bids/offers to be placed/amended in the market, but no trading. What this statement means is that offers during the pre-open were enough to open the price 0.6% lower when it did in fact open.

Nick

While it is true that you cannot trade pre-open, American markets have "after-hours" trading [open before and after the market closes]. e.g. I know for a fact that TD Waterhouse allows you to trade 7:30-9:30 am
 
How is the pre-open SP calculated using BSL as example?

BSL: BLUESCOPE STEEL LIMITED
BSL last 11.69; buy 11.70; sell 11.50
Company Trading Status: Pre-Open
Indicative Price: 11.63 Surplus Volume: -77

BUYERS ------------- SELLERS
Orders Quantity Price - Price - Quantity
1 ---- 100 ---- 11.700 11.500 1,700
1 ---- 2,023 -- 11.670 11.630 2,500
2 ---- 2,000 ---11.650 11.690 654
1 ---- 45 ----- 11.600 11.700 1,087
1 ---- 84 ----- 11.560 11.710 4,184
1 ---- 1,000 -- 11.530 11.730 883
2 ---- 1,560 -- 11.520 11.740 3,000
5 ---- 2,498 -- 11.500 11.750 14,941
1 ---- 1,200 -- 11.490 11.760 4,000
3 ---- 15,550 - 11.480 11.800 450
 
Yeh, so if we were in the states, the Yanks would say.
BSL was down 0.51% before the bell.
Or BSL eased 0.51% in pre-open trading.

WHich is totally misleading and a bit stupid.

NO TRADES HAVE GONE THROUGH.

Do any aussie papers/websites say this?
Or European?
Or any1 else?
Or just those yanks?
 
You can trade US stocks outside of business hours. I do it from time to time. But I wouldn't recommend it because there is usually a wide spread so if you are in the wrong way getting out could cost you dearly.

One US morning a few months ago WYNN went up to over $120 in the premarket and went straight down from the open. Wish I had sold then :banghead: . I'm still holding WYNN hoping for some sort of rally. Fortunately, I have been protecting myself with options.
 
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