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Brokerage/platforms terrible in Oz

Here's an attempt to answer all the questions provided on this thread:

“Do we still have to deal with IB from OS or are they going to have an agent / office in Australia? Pain in the B... opening accounts OS, what with ID theft I am nervous about sending ID overseas.”

IB: Currently we run a Customer Service desk which alternates between US, Switzerland and Hong Kong depending on the time of day. Contact details are available here: http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/general/contact/contact.php?ib_entity=llc
The account opening can be done online, it will take about 15 minutes. We then require two separate documents showing an identity proof and a proof of address. Passport and driving license is the easiest. But you can also submit utility bills or bank statements. This can be posted, faxed or e-mailed to us. Account approval should occur within 2 days of submitting documents.

“I wonder if can transfer my whole Commsuck ASX share portfolio across to IB without penalty? IB's home page info shows that is no problem with US trading houses, but what about AUS>US? (Looks like a call to Commsuck is in order on Monday as their website gives nothing away as far as transferring an account to another trading house!)”
IB: Yes, we can facilitate this. We haven’t posted details on the website as yet. You can contact me or the HK CS desk to arrange this.

“Can you trade CFD's with IB like we do here in Oz with IGmarkets ?”
IB: No. However, we will probably add the ASX listed CFD’s when they are launched.

“Given the above info, I take it that we can trade botx ASX and other us markets from the same account with IB.”
IB: You can trade global stocks, futures, options, ETF’s and FX through the same account – including ASX stocks, SFE futures, US stocks, US futures, and Aud/Usd and other A$ cross-rates.

“Are there any minimum amount required to open the account ? “
IB: Yes, US$5,000 or currency equivalent. Currently around A$6,000

Can you trade with or without margin (ie CFD's) and what (if) any are the LVR's of each stock. I've looked on IB website, and it doesn't really say.”
IB: Yes, initial margin is 50% (2:1), maintenance is 25% (4:1). You don’t need to use the margin if you have the cash in your account.,

Does anyone know is IB a DMA model, and what about the trading platform, is it stable.
IB: Yes, it’s DMA. You order should be at the market within milliseconds.

Does any one know whether you can trade in the opening and closing auctions? Platforms like CMC do not let you, which sucks
IB: Yes you can.

They haven't got a short list at this stage. I'll be trying to get in contact with them next week to find out if they will be offering a short list. Will let everyone know what they say
IB: We will add shorting capability before the end of July.

Trades: 0.08% or minimum $6AUD.. This works out to be about $8 on a $10,000 trade.
Account Fees: $10USD a month account fees = ~$11.91AUD
IB: Account fees are a minimum monthly fee per month. If you generate more than $10 in commission in the month then you will not be charged this fee
"Market Data" (what exactly constitutes this? anybody know, basic financial info for each company? ASX annoucements? or is this more in depth)
Australian Stock Exchange Australia AUD 37.50 (nonpro) AUD 49.50 (pro)
IB: Market data is real-time streaming quotes and shows the first 5 levels of market depth. This is an exchange cost and is passed straight through to the ASX. The 5 levels are aggregated – i.e. it the bid will show the top 5 prices, and the volume at each price, and the cumulative volume – it won’t show how many orders at a particular price – only the number of shares.


Will IB sponsor people into the CHESS system or not I wonder?
IB: No

Per fresh questions above will IB provide ASX announcements on the platform???
IB: No.

“gfresh, I think US law means you are limited under IB's sytem to only 4 "day trades" per 5 consequetive trading days, if you open a 5,000 USD account. If you forget and try to make more than the 4 limit, your account can technically be "frozen" until the 5 day day trading limit again becomes unlocked - although they say they have algorithms to warn you first!!”
IB: You are referring to the US Pattern Day Trading Rules. These do not apply to Australian stocks.

“Market scanning don't appear top be available for the ASX at this stage, although they are available for the U.S market”
IB: We will add ability to scan ASX stocks. It will be a similar set-up to that offered for US stocks, i.e. you can check for top % gainers, top volume, etc.
For news we have an integrated RSS feed, which pulls news from various online services, and can be configured to accept any newsfeed which is RSS. The TWS comes pre-configured with news from Google and Yahoo.

“There are quite a few different programs out there that integrate with IB's platform. Basically, you don't really need to use IB's platform to trade- I have 2 different charting packages that are fed with IB's data, and use a front end program to place and manage orders during the day.”
IB: There are a number of third-party programs which connect to IB. We offer an open-API which also enables users to configure connectivity from their own trading software. Many charting and other providers have programmed this interface already. For those that haven’t there are many third-party providers that have done the work already. There are 2 lists available on our website:
http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/general/poll/ibconsultants.php?progid=11&ib_entity=llc
http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/general/poll/ibconsultants.php?progid=12&ib_entity=llc


Hope this helps
 
Can you trade with or without margin (ie CFD's) and what (if) any are the LVR's of each stock. I've looked on IB website, and it doesn't really say.”
IB: Yes, initial margin is 50% (2:1), maintenance is 25% (4:1). You don’t need to use the margin if you have the cash in your account.

Hi Steve,

quick question for you on margin- how do I not use the margin? If I have the cash in my account to cover the purchase, do I just not get charged any interest, or do I actually have to do something different when placing an order?

What is the interest rate on any margin I use?
 
Forgive me if these questions are silly or have already been answered elsewhere. The cheaper brokerage got my attention.

1) You said that the equivalent of US$5,000 is required to open an account. Are funds from Australian investors held in AUD or USD? In what currency are trades settled? If transactions are settled in USD, what rates does IB use?

2) How are investor funds held? In a trust? Individual accounts? In good faith (ie. people hope that IB doesn't fall over or mismanage their funds)?
 
“Quick question for you on margin- how do I not use the margin? If I have the cash in my account to cover the purchase, do I just not get charged any interest, or do I actually have to do something different when placing an order? What is the interest rate on any margin I use?”
IB: If you have the cash in the account then you will not be using margin – you will see a margin requirement but you will not be charged any interest. It’s automatic. Margin interest rates are based on a spread above LIBOR. Currently for borrowing under A$130k it is 7.71%. This goes down as low as 6.71% if over A$1.3m.


“You said that the equivalent of US$5,000 is required to open an account. Are funds from Australian investors held in AUD or USD?”
IB: You can fund in any of the major currencies and hold funds in any or multiple, so you could hold AUD or USD or both. Minimum funding to open the account is based on US$5,000. Which is currently about A$6,000

“How are investor funds held? In a trust? Individual accounts? In good faith (ie. people hope that IB doesn't fall over or mismanage their funds)?”
IB: We hold funds in a client segregated account at Citibank. We hold the funds in the country of currency. Thus, if you want to send us A$ we hold these at Citibank Sydney. If you send us US dollars then you will need to transfer them to Citibank New York, etc. Securities accounts are also protected up to US$30m, information available here: http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/accounts/accountProtection.php?ib_entity=llc
 
Greetings IB-Steve!

Thanks for the timely feedback. Check your e-mail for a message from me re: transfer of part or all of my Commsec holdings to IB.

You might be busy in the coming weeks!

I found out that international transfers get hit with a AU$ 22 fee from Commonwealth Bank. That would hurt! So I was relieved to note you had a Citibank holding account in Sydney! Presumably once my account is set up by wire deposit from my local branch, I can do simple Netbank transfers from home to that Citibank account?

:)

Cheers,

AJ
 
so we can buy Australian shares on margin.

I never understood the initial and maintenance margin requirements. Has the difference to do with holding the shares for more than 1 day?

So to cut a story short, if I buy a $ 20,000 position in a stock and hold it for a couple of weeks, how much money do I contribute myself?

would this type of borrowing be allowed for a SMSF?

thanks:)
 
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“So I was relieved to note you had a Citibank holding account in Sydney! Presumably once my account is set up by wire deposit from my local branch, I can do simple Netbank transfers from home to that Citibank account?”
IB: Should work fine. Just make sure that in the information field you reference your IB account number so that we know the funds are for your account.

“I never understood the initial and maintenance margin requirements. Has the difference to do with holding the shares for more than 1 day? So to cut a story short, if I buy a $ 20,000 position in a stock and hold it for a couple of weeks, how much money do I contribute myself?”
IB: If you wanted to buy $20,000 of stock, then you would need $10,000 in your account, assuming 50% initial margin requirement. If maintenance margin is 25%, then you would need $5,000 in your account in order to continue to hold the stock (i.e. you’ll need to add funds if you lose more than $5,000 on the stock position
 
Re: Brokerage/platforms terrible in Oz (Interactive Brokers in Oz)

thanks steve,

you must have been working for IB for a while - I`ve seen you in elitetraders as well.

could you give me the banking details for Sydney?

thanks:)
 
Re: Brokerage/platforms terrible in Oz (Interactive Brokers in Oz)

thanks steve,
you must have been working for IB for a while - I`ve seen you in elitetraders as well.
could you give me the banking details for Sydney?

thanks:)

Yes, I was the first IB person to appear on ET many moons ago. It seems this site is the closest Australian equivalent.

When you complete a deposit notification in account management, it will provide you with the full banking details.
 
this is awesome news, few questions steve

1. how do we go about funding our trading accounts with IB, will bpay/direct debit available?

2. is book trader the only way in which we can put orders for shares in, will real-time data (quotes,not depth) through book trader be an added cost or free?

appreciated
 
this is awesome news, few questions steve

1. how do we go about funding our trading accounts with IB, will bpay/direct debit available?

2. is book trader the only way in which we can put orders for shares in, will real-time data (quotes,not depth) through book trader be an added cost or free?

appreciated

1. Not initially. You can do Pay Anyone, internet transfer, wire transfer. I will look into adding BPay.
2. Market data will be charged as per exchange costs, $37.50 non-pro and $49.50 pro. You can trade via Book trader, Hotkeys, Charttrader, standard order entry screen, or webtrader, and more..
The market data includes the depth and populates all areas of the trading platform - charts, book trader, etc.
If you do not want data, then you can still trade without data using Order tickets or webtrader
 
So what can you do for someone in my situation, an Australian Resident living in China? My address on file at my Australian Bank is my companies address here in China. Can i set up an account with your Australian branch from here? OR should i do this through your Hong Kong branch?

Cheers,
 
So what can you do for someone in my situation, an Australian Resident living in China? My address on file at my Australian Bank is my companies address here in China. Can i set up an account with your Australian branch from here? OR should i do this through your Hong Kong branch?
Cheers,

No problem. You can open an account online at our website - effectively the account is held by the US entity anyway. You can fund in HK$, US$ or A$ - whichever is more convenient. We would require a proof of address. You can PM me, or just select my name during the Marketing section of the application, and I will see and can assist with the application
 
Thanks Steve for taking the time to answer all of these questions. As you can see there is opportunity here, with plenty of us sick of the brokerage we're paying for stocks and CFDs.

I'll be in touch soon.

Cheers,
 
what difference does being a chess sponsor and not a chess sponsor make?

also what kind of ID and documents do you need to open an account?
also somewhere on the site it states that you need to have done at least 100 trades. is this a condition or just a recommendation? will you need to see my trade records?
 
hi folks

My first post on ASF - i am just starting to trade (tho have been reading for a long time). I have applied for an account with IB, what is the best way to transfer your cash to IB?? Also how easy is it to transfer cash back to my account in Oz and how is this done? With regards to the US pattern day trading regs I would want to see something in writing from IB before i am convinced (can't find this on their web page), I imagine they will need to amend their software for asx traders?

cheers
 
“I wonder if can transfer my whole Commsuck ASX share portfolio across to IB without penalty? IB's home page info shows that is no problem with US trading houses, but what about AUS>US? (Looks like a call to Commsuck is in order on Monday as their website gives nothing away as far as transferring an account to another trading house!)”
IB: Yes, we can facilitate this. We haven’t posted details on the website as yet. You can contact me or the HK CS desk to arrange this.

Will IB sponsor people into the CHESS system or not I wonder?
IB: No

Question for Steve-IB

I probably missed it elsewhere, but just how are transferred shares held, and traded shares, if not as Chess?

Thanks
 
hi folks

My first post on ASF - i am just starting to trade (tho have been reading for a long time). I have applied for an account with IB, what is the best way to transfer your cash to IB?? Also how easy is it to transfer cash back to my account in Oz and how is this done? With regards to the US pattern day trading regs I would want to see something in writing from IB before i am convinced (can't find this on their web page), I imagine they will need to amend their software for asx traders?
cheers

welcome on board lizard,

your question about transferring cash to IB has already been answered on this thread - its good to read what has been written before asking the same question.

its easy to transfer money back to your bank account by using IB`s account management after you signed up.

dont know where you can find info about pattern day trading but its the US law, not something made up by IB.

no reason to change software - the platform is trading already:)
 
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