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Of course - you can't preempt a breach of the law if you don't know the law was breached.Thats what you're throwing up in defence?
Like I said, when the conservatives are in, the unions fight them tooth and nail.
When Labor are in the unions try to avoid any disruption, I have been to many stop work meetings, where we are told not to take any action because it would have an adverse effect on the sitting labor Party.
You can believe anything you like, obviously you have a good union and rep, which is great.
By the way Labor raised the pension age to 67 and I will be surprised if it isn't them, that lifts it to 70.
The stagnant wages would be there no matter who is in, the economy is contracting due to the post boom effect and the global slowdown, as I'm sure your aware.
Buying your way out of the situation at the moment, will just put us in a world of pain later, it wasn't long ago everyone was saying we were kicking the can down the road.
Well by tightening now and having a bit of pain, is the alternative, I guess we can't have it both ways.
Were we not just having a discussion against backing business over employees?Of course - you can't preempt a breach of the law if you don't know the law was breached.
Why else do they have a justice system ?
So as I said your wages seem to be doing o.k under a coalition Government.Yes it's a good union, double figure % in two years. Something for the rest of the country to aspire to.
That doesn't help those who are 65.Yes, Labor raised the pension age to 67, they also raised the pension itself at the same time
Apparently as above, it will be o.k as long as they increase the pension at the same time.First party that raises it to 70 will have more than just their cans getting kicked down the road.
No I thought we were busting the myth that people who support Folau getting sacked were somehow violating their own political ideology.Were we not just having a discussion against backing business over employees?
No, my wages are doing OK because of the union. Coalition Government played no role in that success - if they had their way, the union would be de-registered and/or banned from entering my workplace.So as I said your wages seem to be doing o.k under a coalition Government.
It helps people who are 67, 68 and 69.That doesn't help those who are 65.
Apparently, no one is making that claimApparently as above, it will be o.k as long as they increase the pension at the same time.
I haven't heard anyone, say the working class has a latent love of conservatives.In the case of the UK I think the Conservatives won for the same reason as they did in NSW - simply because the alternatives were hilarious. I don't think it has anything to do with the working class having some latent love of Conservative values in their DNA - it just doesn't scan.
IMO.
Neither have I. But I have heard the view about the working class having some latent love of Conservative values. Or to put it another way, that they might be actual conservatives.I haven't heard anyone, say the working class has a latent love of conservatives.
Well the swing to the Conservatives in the U.K was huge, Labor lost seats that they have held for over 100 years apparently, it must be more than just poor presentation?Neither have I. But I have heard the view about the working class having some latent love of Conservative values. Or to put it another way, that they might be actual conservatives.
How is it a myth? the left leaning on here backed it.No I thought we were busting the myth that people who support Folau getting sacked were somehow violating their own political ideology.
Neither have I. But I have heard the view about the working class having some latent love of Conservative values. Or to put it another way, that they might be actual conservatives.
I think it's totally poor presentation. Jeremy Corbyn was the worst possible alternative which is why the Labour party now want to lynch the living sheet out of him. We saw the same thing in NSW. Labor were on track for a win but lost their leader and replaced him with a guy who acted like a little kid caught lying and looking for some sort of miracle to save him from himself.Well the swing to the Conservatives in the U.K was huge, Labor lost seats that they have held for over 100 years apparently, it must be more than just poor presentation?
I guess we will have to see what happens here, next election, because the economy will still be slow I assume.
That doesn't mean anything. I'm sure the left leaning were happy for the WBC bosses to be sacked too. I'm sure you'll agree that people are capable of thinking outside political lines ?How is it a myth? the left leaning on here backed it.
Yes. They are to make you work till you drop, get paid the lowest possible wage, ban unfair dismissal laws, remove all workers' benefits such as sick leave, annual leave and penalty rates, turn every day into a Monday, make industrial action illegal and ban unions from entering workplaces. Don't believe me? They are, or were, conservative policies handed down over the last few decades.Do you know what the conservative values towards work are?
That's interesting, I didn't follow the U.K election at all, but from what I was reading on ASF it sounded as though Johnson was the goose?I think it's totally poor presentation. Jeremy Corbyn was the worst possible alternative which is why the Labour party now want to lynch the living sheet out of him. We saw the same thing in NSW. Labor were on track for a win but lost their leader and replaced him with a guy who acted like a little kid caught lying and looking for some sort of miracle to save him from himself.
No one can win a Govt from opposition with that sort of poor effort.
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Policies and values are completely different things.I think it's totally poor presentation. Jeremy Corbyn was the worst possible alternative which is why the Labour party now want to lynch the living sheet out of him. We saw the same thing in NSW. Labor were on track for a win but lost their leader and replaced him with a guy who acted like a little kid caught lying and looking for some sort of miracle to save him from himself.
No one can win a Govt from opposition with that sort of poor effort.
That doesn't mean anything. I'm sure the left leaning were happy for the WBC bosses to be sacked too. I'm sure you'll agree that people are capable of thinking outside political lines ?
Yes. They are to make you work till you drop, get paid the lowest possible wage, ban unfair dismissal laws, remove all workers' benefits such as sick leave, annual leave and penalty rates, turn every day into a Monday, make industrial action illegal and ban unions from entering workplaces. Don't believe me? They are, or were, conservative policies handed down over the last few decades.
I think he is currently polling just ahead of all current democrat candidates. Early days though.A bit like reading on ASF, one would think Trump will be hammered next election, if he even makes it that far?
Maybe he was, probably with a shorter neckThat's interesting, I didn't follow the U.K election at all, but from what I was reading on ASF it sounded as though Johnson was the goose?
You wouldn't create conservative policies if you didn't have conservative valuesPolicies and values are completely different things.
So are capitalist and conservative values.
I really can't see where our wages growth is going to come from. We continue to slide down the industrialization index, automation is beginning to eat into high paying low skilled mining jobs, our education standard is falling and very little tertiary industry is being established.With regard to all the discussion about unions etc and noting the thread is about Brexit, I'll simply pose a question:
What, at a fundamental level, is Brexit really about?
It's hard to present it as anything other than a rejection by the mainstream of globalisation and big government (that is, the EU). Details aside, it's nationalism of a sort.
Now back to the blue collar workers that keep coming up, go to any worksite and start talking about this stuff and you'll immediately get told what the problem is. "Business will just go where it's cheapest if nobody stops them" and indeed they will.
Thing is, some guy with a shovel can see the obvious but we've got "geniuses" with economics degrees who keep harping on about Australia, UK and other developed countries moving to "higher value" work.
Now I'm pretty sure that the same guys with the shovels would say they've heard quite enough of these empty promises and it's time to force them to deliver. Let's have these supposedly higher value things - and that doesn't mean cafes, tourism, mass immigration or mining since none of those are higher value activities than manufacturing etc that we've given up.
Truth is these "higher value" things aren't coming, at most what we've got is merely a small scale version of where we'd have been anyway as a technological leader. The masses can see that and they're not happy.
You wouldn't create conservative policies if you didn't have conservative values
Or the other way around. But we've seen how long leaders keep their job in this country if they don't tow the party line.Governments can create policies which the leader personally disagrees with from an ideological perspective but which are pragmatically considered best for the nation as a whole in view of the prevailing circumstances.
Which is exactly what I mentioned earlier, with regard Bob Hawke and the crushing of the pilots dispute.Governments can create policies which the leader personally disagrees with from an ideological perspective but which are pragmatically considered best for the nation as a whole in view of the prevailing circumstances.
Prior to this "identity politics" nonsense that's how governments operated.
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