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Conservative workplace values actually align too?
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Conservative workplace values actually align too?
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Feel free to blow us all over with your views on it mate
You know theres this thing called GoogleFeel free to blow us all over with your views on it mate
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I see the lack of confidence in your knowledge has given you a need to play mind games.You know theres this thing called Google
Disappointing but not unexpected. Standard Tory style cop out
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Look bruh, I think progressives have done some good stuff (though still lukewarm on SSM for reasons stated at the time... which reservations seem increasingly justified).
But it's a matter of striking a reasonable balance. I think it reasonable the Working class being alarmed at being sacrificed at the alter of woke, and consequently tending towards conservatism in many aspects.
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That may be the case in the circle of clients you deal with. Not in mine - those issues never get discussed around the water cooler.
What gets discussed is the ratio of living costs versus the capacity to pay for it.
If you're saying there's a shift away from progressive values you wouldn't be re-electing a progressive Govt in your state.
Elections aren't always decided by ideology - I'd go as far as suggesting the last time that happened federally was in 2007.
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Agreed that politics isn't a top of the list subject for most but among those I associate with it's certainly not a forbidden topic, it's something that comes up from time to time.
Main gripes about Labor in the Australian context seemed to be:
1. Not enough incentive and encouragement for those who make an effort.
A perception that Labor was targeting those who've made an effort to invest and so on when they should instead be cracking down on those who had the financial means to invest but instead aimed to rely in welfare. Targeting the wrong group basically.
2. A broad perception that Labor is appealing to "people who wear a suit to work" in many ways but in particular with regards to issues such as globalisation.
The Coalition is seen as pretty woeful also but at least slightly more nationalistic and inclined to stand up to other countries rather than toeing the line. Nowhere near tough enough, but at least slightly tougher than Labor is the perception.
A perception that both parties are unduly favourable to certain countries on account of their money, political influence, natural resources or military strength and that Australia's interests and the safety of workers and the public are being sold out as a direct consequence of that weakness.
A number of examples came up but in particular the use of asbestos in brand new goods and the failure of Australian authorities to take an appropriately tough stance to what is a prohibited material in this country and most but not all others. Meanwhile far less serious issues with goods from other countries do see a tough response from authorities so there's a perception of bias there and it's to the detriment of human health as well as the business interests of those doing the right thing and facing unfair competition from those cutting corners.
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The election hasn't happened yet mate, we shall see. But as a matter of interest the opposition has been all but invisible here.
In any case, Palfyvswkhsuksakkdsslfdkgg had been fairly centrist really. Wouldn't know what the other mob are but I'll not voting for either of them.
...and the Greens can go eat s*** and die.
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Yeah they can, and partially they already have. Centrist is fine with me mate. If I added all my values together I'd probably sit around the centre, and I take the view the working class are the same.
Even in Victoria where I frequent I'd say it's the same - despite the last result.
Can't speak for WA or TAS... never been there
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Hey PZ99 thats a pretty good summery most here have never been working class or had to do it from the bottom being fcked over by employers or the system stagnate wages, conditions while CEO 's boom etc, the continued naivety of applying 100 year old theology to present days is an intellectually deficit (Marxism etc ).
Understand you may not agree with my own position but I certainly understand yours.
Understand you may not agree with my own position but I certainly understand yours.
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FWIW - I consider myself fortunate to have seen both sides.
Done pick and shovel work out in the rain and all that yes. Done trades work yes. Had my own office yes. Etc. Seen rather a lot from different perspectives.
Suffice to say that my view is firmly that those at the coalface and/or closely associated with it (directly related technical or administrative roles) are far more grounded in reality than those who get excited about KPI's and false deadlines relating to things they couldn't personally do if their life depended on it.
Where the difference lies is that the person using the floor saw can see damn well if the cut isn't straight and so can everyone else on site. Likewise the whole damn state will know if the power fails spectacularly enough, there's no hiding it. Same concept with all physical things - there's no denying that it's not working and no hiding the truth.
When it comes to politics though, well the working classes have been promised that everything's going to be just fine and that their concerns are unwarranted for 40 years now, an entire career length, and thus far the promise is looking awfully hollow. Anyone else would be out of a job long before now for that sort of thing.
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Yep, legend in your own lunch box, what a hoot. The guys at Tulk's would get a laugh out of that one.
The question wasn't "do I know what conservative workplace values". I was asking you the question.I see the lack of confidence in your knowledge has given you a need to play mind games.
Disappointing but not unexpected. Standard Tory style cop out
Oh please. Take a talk to small businesses owners on hardships. Wage workers are set and forget, no risk no reward types. Nothing wrong with it, but to say they are doing it tougher then others is wrong. We have some of the highest wages and safeguards in the world here.
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I answered your question in post 351. Your response in post 381 implies that I don't know what I'm talking about. That's fine with me.
You've read my views on the subject. I'm happy to read yours, but... suggesting a google search doesn't really add value to the debate. It's your move Bro
wayneL
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Exactly.
No sick pay
No holiday pay
No super contributions
Bloody fifficdif to get adequate insurance (in my trade anyway)
Zero barrier to entry, no trade regulation
Can be summarily dismissed at any time for any reason
extraneous work commitments, paperwork and whatnot
ATO scrutiny
etc etc
I'm not whingeing, but wage earners aren't bad off at all.
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So 60 to 70 hours per week is not enough for you?
wayneL
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Yeah but I do it 51 weeks a year.
I'm not whingeing though, I do better than a burger flipper
