Brexit OUT of EU: What happens now?

Knobby22 said:

Labour completely stuffed this. Managed to lose their core voters, blue collars.
It's a bit like what happened at our election but on steroids.

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Knobby22 said:

Labour completely stuffed this. Managed to lose their core voters, blue collars.
It's a bit like what happened at our election but on steroids.

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qldfrog said:

And they never learn: t
ABC front page link on the UK election analysis
I quote:
" Opportunist, chameleon, showman or charlatan: What will Boris Johnson do next?
ABC NEWS"
No doubt their unbiaised ABC ..my taxes....
I am going to open the guardian just for the fun of it

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Knobby22 said:

Labour completely stuffed this. Managed to lose their core voters, blue collars. It's a bit like what happened at our election but on steroids.

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Knobby22 said:

I read that the campaign was run by a young Aussie guy who also ran ScoMos campaign.
The tactic was to be on the right on social issues but more central on economic issues.
Also I guess keep it simple.
Labour completely stuffed this. Managed to lose their core voters, blue collars.
It's a bit like what happened at our election but on steroids.

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Smurf1976 said:

I think the point that's missed is that the average "blue collar" worker is somewhat driven to improve their circumstances. They don't see themselves ending up as CEO but they do see themselves ending up as one of the shareholders. They don't see themselves owning a mansion and a Rolls Royce but they do see themselves moving to a decent house in a decent suburb and owning a late model Toyota. Etc. They don't see themselves never progressing from where they are today.

In short they want a credible path to improvement and a reason to want to achieve it and a point seemingly forgotten is that blue collar workers are often not that far removed from business people in terms of how they operate. They get things done, they find ways around problems and they make money doing so. That's a capitalist approach far more than it's a socialist one.

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IFocus said:

A problem with the current political narrative is the effective use by conservative parties dog whistling of racism and nationalism and the failure of the left to be able to counter argue the case.

The US Republicans have turned it into a art form so much so US Latinos vote Republican.

My own thoughts are you cannot counter argue such is the inbuilt human code for family, clans and tribalism.

Every one is a racist and everyone is a nationalist oi oi oi.

Trump used this to great effect, Mexican rapist, Brexit was largely about immigrates, Coalition have longed used boat people remember the Tampa, its a very effective political tool so much so the north of the UK voted for Boris completely against their best interests.

I understand peoples views in northern England but rolling the dice thinking the Tories will GAF about the north of England when they know it will revert back to Labor shows a lot about how Corbyn was a failure but also there s a lot more going on.

BTW some of the comments about the left here is laughable.....IMHO

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IFocus said:

A problem with the current political narrative is the effective use by conservative parties dog whistling of racism and nationalism and the failure of the left to be able to counter argue the case.

The US Republicans have turned it into a art form so much so US Latinos vote Republican.

My own thoughts are you cannot counter argue such is the inbuilt human code for family, clans and tribalism.

Every one is a racist and everyone is a nationalist oi oi oi.

Trump used this to great effect, Mexican rapist, Brexit was largely about immigrates, Coalition have longed used boat people remember the Tampa, its a very effective political tool so much so the north of the UK voted for Boris completely against their best interests.

I understand peoples views in northern England but rolling the dice thinking the Tories will GAF about the north of England when they know it will revert back to Labor shows a lot about how Corbyn was a failure but also there s a lot more going on.

BTW some of the comments about the left here is laughable.....IMHO

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wayneL said:

Exactly.

I would go as far to say that blue collar workers are no longer core Labo(u)r Party constituents.

It seems to me that the Labo(u)r movement have completely forsaken the working class in favour of middle-class identitarians and radicals... to the point that they are no longer entitled to be called a labour movement.

The working class have become the new conservatives in the truest sense of the word. It will be interesting if the UK conservative party will be able to retain those voters going forward or whether their votes are only on loan in order to give the postmodernists a kick in the 4ss.

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