Brexit OUT of EU: What happens now?

[wayneL]

Labour completely stuffed this. Managed to lose their core voters, blue collars.
It's a bit like what happened at our election but on steroids.

Exactly.

I would go as far to say that blue collar workers are no longer core Labo(u)r Party constituents.

It seems to me that the Labo(u)r movement have completely forsaken the working class in favour of middle-class identitarians and radicals... to the point that they are no longer entitled to be called a labour movement.

The working class have become the new conservatives in the truest sense of the word. It will be interesting if the UK conservative party will be able to retain those voters going forward or whether their votes are only on loan in order to give the postmodernists a kick in the 4ss.

 

[moXJO]

Labour completely stuffed this. Managed to lose their core voters, blue collars.
It's a bit like what happened at our election but on steroids.

It makes you wonder how delusional they actually are. We have had elections play out in similar fashion over the world. Are they that arrogant that they can't see that the majority don't give a fig about virtue signalling?

 

[qldfrog]

And they never learn: t
ABC front page link on the UK election analysis
I quote:
" Opportunist, chameleon, showman or charlatan: What will Boris Johnson do next?
ABC NEWS"
No doubt their unbiaised ABC ..my taxes....
I am going to open the guardian just for the fun of it

 

[moXJO]

And they never learn: t
ABC front page link on the UK election analysis
I quote:
" Opportunist, chameleon, showman or charlatan: What will Boris Johnson do next?
ABC NEWS"
No doubt their unbiaised ABC ..my taxes....
I am going to open the guardian just for the fun of it

Its crazy stuff.
Media seem to think they are kingmakers. They are in a way.... just not for the guy they are backing.

 

[sptrawler]

Eventually the penny will drop with media management, then they will come out of their cocoon and sack half of their reporters who are losing them circulation.
Not really, it will never happen and they will go broke.lol

 

[wayneL]

A little bit of encapsulation:

 

[Smurf1976]

Labour completely stuffed this. Managed to lose their core voters, blue collars. It's a bit like what happened at our election but on steroids.

I think the point that's missed is that the average "blue collar" worker is somewhat driven to improve their circumstances. They don't see themselves ending up as CEO but they do see themselves ending up as one of the shareholders. They don't see themselves owning a mansion and a Rolls Royce but they do see themselves moving to a decent house in a decent suburb and owning a late model Toyota. Etc. They don't see themselves never progressing from where they are today.

In short they want a credible path to improvement and a reason to want to achieve it and a point seemingly forgotten is that blue collar workers are often not that far removed from business people in terms of how they operate. They get things done, they find ways around problems and they make money doing so. That's a capitalist approach far more than it's a socialist one.

 

[Logique]

I read that the campaign was run by a young Aussie guy who also ran ScoMos campaign.
The tactic was to be on the right on social issues but more central on economic issues.
Also I guess keep it simple.
Labour completely stuffed this. Managed to lose their core voters, blue collars.
It's a bit like what happened at our election but on steroids.

Mark Textor I think, of Crosby-Textor Group, so yes an Aussie link. Those guys know their stuff. Apparently they warned the Conservatives against proroguing Parliament, but were ignored at the time.

As for earlier comments from others about the blue collar workers getting rogered - they voted Conservative en masse, swinging the election. The rogering they were getting was from the EU open borders policies.

 

[Knobby22]

Following on your comments Smurf.
They also wanted Brexit.(like Logique intimated).

The English Consevatives are actually real Conservatives and so are a lot closer to looking after everyone rather than just the wealthy aka Republicans however it relies a lot on the Prime Minister of the time.

Boris will want to stay sweet with the people so I think we will see a moderate government. Probably last a few terms.

 

[sptrawler]

I think the point that's missed is that the average "blue collar" worker is somewhat driven to improve their circumstances. They don't see themselves ending up as CEO but they do see themselves ending up as one of the shareholders. They don't see themselves owning a mansion and a Rolls Royce but they do see themselves moving to a decent house in a decent suburb and owning a late model Toyota. Etc. They don't see themselves never progressing from where they are today.

In short they want a credible path to improvement and a reason to want to achieve it and a point seemingly forgotten is that blue collar workers are often not that far removed from business people in terms of how they operate. They get things done, they find ways around problems and they make money doing so. That's a capitalist approach far more than it's a socialist one.

Spot on smurf, as my mate the garbo says, it is ok for these people to promise the World, but it is the working men and women that have to pay for it.
Pretty simple really, as happened here Corbin was offering to increase hand outs, the blue collar workers are getting fed up with copping the pineapple.
Well thats what the grass roots are saying, from what I have heard.
A quick look at the UK voting map on page 12 of the AFR, pretty well says it all.

 

[sptrawler]

So from the SMH,this article today.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...tain-into-little-britain-20191215-p53k3p.html
If it all works out for the best for the U.K, I wonder if the SMH will print her letter of congratulations, to Boris and those who voted to exit the E.U?
I doubt her opinion will change, here is the closing line from the article:
I’ll keep fighting Johnson’s hard-right vision for Britain and standing up for a United Kingdom that is inclusive, welcoming and open.

Obviously not as it was a landslide, therefore most are happy with the policies of those elected, it is a shame that the fanatics have to make disruption and hate a life's ambition.
Just my opinion.

 

[Knobby22]

Well she is a Labour member of Parliament. Of course she is taking it hard and it's her job to oppose. Calling her a fanatic is a bit rough.

I have found the Age/SMH coverage to be very good.
Always good to hear all sides.

If I only want to read one side only I would buy the Australian/Guardian.

 

[wayneL]

Not fanatics? Well they certainly are deluded. Many have been claiming the Conservatives don't have mandate and tha Boris is literally the second Hitler!

My favourite is that Britons are all racists and misogynists lol. Jo Swinson claimed misogyny for losing her seat, not that the party she led should be renamed the Illiberal Undemocrats (my former party when in UK if you all remember)

Even the leftist BBC journos have been incredulous at some of these insane responses.

 

[wayneL]

This

 

[IFocus]

A problem with the current political narrative is the effective use by conservative parties dog whistling of racism and nationalism and the failure of the left to be able to counter argue the case.

The US Republicans have turned it into a art form so much so US Latinos vote Republican.

My own thoughts are you cannot counter argue such is the inbuilt human code for family, clans and tribalism.

Every one is a racist and everyone is a nationalist oi oi oi.

Trump used this to great effect, Mexican rapist, Brexit was largely about immigrates, Coalition have longed used boat people remember the Tampa, its a very effective political tool so much so the north of the UK voted for Boris completely against their best interests.

I understand peoples views in northern England but rolling the dice thinking the Tories will GAF about the north of England when they know it will revert back to Labor shows a lot about how Corbyn was a failure but also there s a lot more going on.

BTW some of the comments about the left here is laughable.....IMHO

 

[Humid]

A problem with the current political narrative is the effective use by conservative parties dog whistling of racism and nationalism and the failure of the left to be able to counter argue the case.

The US Republicans have turned it into a art form so much so US Latinos vote Republican.

My own thoughts are you cannot counter argue such is the inbuilt human code for family, clans and tribalism.

Every one is a racist and everyone is a nationalist oi oi oi.

Trump used this to great effect, Mexican rapist, Brexit was largely about immigrates, Coalition have longed used boat people remember the Tampa, its a very effective political tool so much so the north of the UK voted for Boris completely against their best interests.

I understand peoples views in northern England but rolling the dice thinking the Tories will GAF about the north of England when they know it will revert back to Labor shows a lot about how Corbyn was a failure but also there s a lot more going on.

BTW some of the comments about the left here is laughable.....IMHO

It’s a great distraction from Scummo and the rusted on lot

 

[Humid]

Look at all the threads lighting up here about brexit and Trump
Nothing but the sound of crickets on the local mob who the majority here no doubt elected
Bash the left elsewhere should make you feel better about your choices lolz

 

[sptrawler]

Actually using this forum as a yardstick, the bashing has been extremely one sided, with regard Trump and Johnson.

 

[wayneL]

A problem with the current political narrative is the effective use by conservative parties dog whistling of racism and nationalism and the failure of the left to be able to counter argue the case.

The US Republicans have turned it into a art form so much so US Latinos vote Republican.

My own thoughts are you cannot counter argue such is the inbuilt human code for family, clans and tribalism.

Every one is a racist and everyone is a nationalist oi oi oi.

Trump used this to great effect, Mexican rapist, Brexit was largely about immigrates, Coalition have longed used boat people remember the Tampa, its a very effective political tool so much so the north of the UK voted for Boris completely against their best interests.

I understand peoples views in northern England but rolling the dice thinking the Tories will GAF about the north of England when they know it will revert back to Labor shows a lot about how Corbyn was a failure but also there s a lot more going on.

BTW some of the comments about the left here is laughable.....IMHO

This is why you fools will continue to lose elections.

...and this comes from one of your own misguided luvvies, Komrade.

 

[PZ99]

Exactly.

I would go as far to say that blue collar workers are no longer core Labo(u)r Party constituents.

It seems to me that the Labo(u)r movement have completely forsaken the working class in favour of middle-class identitarians and radicals... to the point that they are no longer entitled to be called a labour movement.

The working class have become the new conservatives in the truest sense of the word. It will be interesting if the UK conservative party will be able to retain those voters going forward or whether their votes are only on loan in order to give the postmodernists a kick in the 4ss.

No way. The blue collar workers are the apolitical swinging voters who deliver Govts from both sides of the political arena.

They voted Howard in - they voted Howard out. They voted Rudd in - they voted Rudd out.

They aren't attached to any political persuasion. They outsmart the sycophants every time.