Julia
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No, but I'd support some funding for contraception advice.Are you for supporting the millions of women who are forced to have abortions in China every year?
As you quite well would know, the government allocates a quota of available refugee places each year. This is what I was supporting. Presumably these numbers are decided on the basis of how capable our infrastructure is of supporting various immigration levels.Do you realise how many 'genuine' refugees there are in this world?
There are millions and millions of people who would be properly called 'refugees'.
It's clear we can't bring everyone here - so, how do we 'cull'?
No, but I'd support some funding for contraception advice.
I do feel for them as where are they to go?
If they know they will have to abort a child, why do they get pregnant?They want to have children - they intentionally get pregnant but are forced to abort - are you suggesting you would 'educate' them by convincing them to adopt a form of sterilization?
Tink, you've separately said that you like the idea of big populations.
Do you have faith that state and federal governments will adequately supply the infrastructure to support a population which is more than double what we have now? You know, those things that are causing us worry at present like not enough water, gridlocked traffic in our cities, dysfunctional public transport, inadequate and increasingly dysfunctional health system, etc?
Obviously allowing the current 78 people to come into Australia isn't going to make any difference to anything in a purely practical sense. But what is concerning some people is the question of establishing this as a precedent, whereupon asylum seekers the world over will see Australia as an easy access new home.
So are you OK with that? Do you want to see unlimited access for anyone at all into Australia? Where will all these people be accommodated (a) while they are being checked, and then (b) while they are learning English, trying to find work etc? Are you happy for us to pay considerably more tax to fund all this, plus the building of the additional infrastructure?
Don't you think just allowing anyone who dictates that they will only disembark a ship if it's into Australia, nowhere else, even just for processing, is a bit unfair to those people who have been waiting for years in a refugee camp somewhere, having applied to come to Australia in the conventional way?
I'm all for assisting genuine refugees to come to Australia and giving them every possible assistance. But I'm uncomfortable when people - in any area of life - try to circumvent a system that others in good faith have followed.
The thread is finished???Hi Julia
Seems this thread has finished now, but regarding your infrastructure question, yes I think they will. They have to, as Australia's population is growing whether we want it to or not.
There seem to be few who have left urgently and because of immediate danger. These ones now claim they have been living in Indonesia for five years and just became a bit tired of waiting.As for the boat people, I can understand what you are saying and I do agree, that they should go through the right avenues and be processed, but, if they are real refugees that really did jump on a boat and left out of danger, I dont think the comments were appropriate.
Huh? What do you mean?Maybe they couldnt get on a plane and out. I suppose its looking at the whole picture, not just rambling off, with no thought in how they got there in the first place.
Really? That's news. Could you provide a link to that?Anyways looks like they are Indonesians
The pressure is mounting! The goodlife seekers are now threatening to commit suicide unless their demands are met and, no doubt, the limp-wristed lefties will be beside themselves with anguish.
Yes, I'm glad you didn't post that.I was going to post "wow, will they put it on tv? or send in an F-111 to be kind to them?", but I decided not to.
There are grave fears for 21 people missing after their boat sank hundreds of nautical miles off the Cocos Islands. ... AMSA received a distress signal yesterday morning with reports the boat had a hole in the bottom and was taking on water.
Hmmm. I wonder if there were any submarines (not ours of course) in the area at the time?
Yes, I'm glad you didn't post that.Good one!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/02/2730441.htm
Yes, I'm glad I didn't too.
Well, just look at the $$$$$$$$$ burning away up there ..
We should think about the cost of this business the next time we see someone die in hospital due to lack of resources, or of a person smitten with a disease the government is not prepared to spend money on, or a grieving war widow and her family left in isolation.
Charity is supposed to begin at home - but it doesn't.
We have just sent the new jet the flying doctors have just been given, up north to look for survivors from a sinking tub, good to know we have all that money to spare.
.The 78 ethnic Tamils who have illegally occupied the Australian customs vessel Oceanic Viking are demanding rights that do not exist under international law. Most have been in Indonesia for some time. They want to settle in Australia, or another wealthy country, but that decision is not theirs to make.
The Oceanic Viking needs to be reclaimed, secured, prepared for sea, then sail for Sri Lanka with the 78 recalcitrants on board. They have rejected Indonesia. Anything less is a capitulation to moral blackmail, where children have been used as props and pawns. The impasse is not a test of rights but a test of wills. The prolonging of the Oceanic Viking saga has shown Rudd to be a man who seeks to be all things to all people
I'm not sure that this thread is the right place for this comment, but I'm reminded from the above of an item in ABC Radio's "PM" programme this evening where the government has removed the $20 subsidy from Medicare for people who need cortisone injections to manage their arthritis pain.We should think about the cost of this business the next time we see someone die in hospital due to lack of resources, or of a person smitten with a disease the government is not prepared to spend money on, or a grieving war widow and her family left in isolation.
Charity is supposed to begin at home - but it doesn't.
Paul Sheehan's comments are succinct and entirely appropriate.Paul Sheehan in the SMH;
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