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You're just worried about 'living with yourself'? What about the potential stress and damage to the person to whom you're offloading them?It is certainly a possibility if you could live with yourself.
Sure, they're just dying for the opportunity to have debt collectors after them, be taken to court etc. If they didn't have a crappy life before, this would sure as hell have it in the bag completely.However there is bound to be individuals out there who would gladly go bust for 10K
They probably would have no assets to loose and snap your hand off for the opportunity.
Quite possibly so. And this would absolve you of any moral responsibility in the matter?If you started a web site you would probably be inundated with offers.
" Earn cash fast" " sign here to recieve your cash payout"
And you say this with exactly how much knowledge of the law in this regard?Joking apart if one individual decided to become a martyr for the BCSCA shareholders and took on the liability I cant see how the law could reverse it.
That is simply not true. Had you done the research you would have found the information.After all, as stated before ,such an individual would have at least had the benifit of knowing what he/she is signing up for spelled out to them. Something us comsec users didnt have.
Puts him in the same category as thousands of others. We are where we are as a result of the decisions we have made on the whole.My Dad is about to retire, he has no assets, Lives in rented and will have to rely on a state pension.
Well, fine. If he will do this, at least you'll be keeping it in the family and not involving some other sucker.I reckon he would consider the option of going bump for 50K.
I suspect you are underestimating the resources of debt collectors.Let maquirie try and find him in Portugal or spain or France, He would be like trying to find Lord Lucan. And if they did find him, what they going to reposses? his bedford rascal van?
Even after all this, you still don't have the share code correct!Letting someone sign up for theese shares who cant pay is no different to what comsec / BCSA have done.
On that principle, you could suggest everyone who has lost money in ABC Learning, MFS, Allco, B. & B. etc etc. who were small investors without the capacity to lose money would similarly be entitled to shove their debt off onto someone else. Why would that be fair?Difference being some of us have a lot more at stake to loose.
Also if all those shares fell into the hands of one individual who had absolutely no capacity to repay the debt in a million years, it would be a huge UP YOURS ! to BCSCA and their underwriters who must surley know they will be liable in the end either way cos none of us can pay the installment
More people are killed carelessly walking into traffic than fall off cliffs? Why don't we put insurmountable fences on every walk way? Basically, because people are expected to show a due amount of care, and it is impractical to make everything completely safe. By its very nature, we NEED to have walk ways exposed to roads, for both walk ways and roads to function correctly...
I have worked bloody hard for everything I own, and dont appreciate a jummped up Pri*k like you telling me im nieve and making me out to be stupid.
Yes I got caught out in your country on your stock exchange, but dont you dare insult my intelligence or integrity.
I have been following this thread and I find it interesting that people who purchased the shares are being told, bad luck you bought them, it's your fault etc. But if they try to think of a way to offload them to somebody else then they are being immoral. Shouldn't that be the buyer's problem? After all, buyer beware..
Also, if somebody is already up for $2million and the only solution is bankruptcy, they could buy all of the shares currently for sale instead. For only $120k you could own 30% of the shares (plus $240 million extra debt). A bit like Fang He but even more impressive.
Inegima
Yes your quite right, I suspect that big brother is already watching this space
(I also reckon GG works for MQG)
Julia
If I invest in shares ( ABC or BBG Whatever ) I accept that risk. Im not complaining about the $500 i lost, its the $26k that was attached to it that I was not aware of that gets my goat !!!!!!
Why is it so hard for people to understand that their are folk " retail investors " out there dabbling on a whim, that can got caught up and still continue to get caught up!!
Look I am in construction ok, This is my analogy.
I dig a bloody great excavation, I put a small sign up saying " Danger deep excavation" everyone knows to stay well away, but some people still go and play near the excavation. They fall in... Hurt themselves,. I would expect to get sued because i did not fence the excavation.
The people selling those shares should have fenced the excavation to stop idiots like me from falling in !!
FACT !!
... You could actually get paid to 'buy' these shares. Many of the holders on this thread have indicated they are willing to pay others to take them off thier hands, so you could probably own 30% without spending a cent (until you had to cough up the next contribution...)
So, can I just confirm here. There is no space in Capitalism for morals or ethics? No wonder western society is screwed. And why when someone shows ethics and morals in their business it gets noticed.
I think the point is not so much in avoiding liability, its more about passing it on to someone who is willing to take on that liability for a price, and would then subsequently have to declare bankruptcy.
I dont think starting a company would have any benefit, as a director can still be liable if they do not carry out their 'duties', which in this case, buying up millions of dollars worth of debt and knowing they are doing so is probably a failure of their duties.
Offer me $1mill cash and i'll think about taking them all off your hands or could find someone that would...
I must disagree.
There is no space in any system for stupidity or plain bad luck.
Both get punished under capitalism or any other system.
gg
I agree totally. Buyer beware, thats capitalism. Capitalism doesnt involve many 'morals' and thats for the individual to decide how far they are willing to go, within the scope of the law.
If the basis of Capitalism is buyer beware, then why have Consumer protection laws? Why have Compulsory Inspection reports on properties? Why do some online trading companies offer warnings before final purchase? Why have compulsory cooling off periods on some contracts? It seems that it is not always 'buyer beware' at all.
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