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Don't share your secrets any more. They pushed up the price for the rest of usThe office loves me.
A mate got wind that I bought BBI a few weeks back and spread the news to another colleague who threw a bit on it.
That was me BB.Also, I don't know who said it but the theory about BEPPA being weaker in the afternoon got blown out of the water this week. Really guys, trying to short term trade and predict short term price movements is fair dinkum guess work.
Congrats mate. You just need to have patience, yet know when to jump as things turn sour but that is easier said than done. You bought in at the bottom of the market, so all you needed to do is chill out and wait a while.Mitsi,
Me too, entire portfolio up appro $8k. Big for me.
I must thank you again for encouraging me to hold HFA, it has done well thus far! So THANKS!!!!
There is one thing that I think we will all be agreed upon.
I would like to thank BB for drawing our attention to this stock and also for providing research commentary of a superb quality.
Very simply a superb job BB and a heartfelt thanks.
Cheers and at the survivors party there is a bottle of 2004 Grange waiting for you from me.
I would like to thank BB for drawing our attention to this stock and also for providing research commentary of a superb quality.
From my perspective BBI/BEPPA is at the moment just being swept along with the tide. I think a lot of sidelined money is going back in. Many other unloved infrastructure and high debt companies of the last year are going up at the same time, it's not just BBI, check out BBP, MMG etc. Even INF is well up when it didn't hit the lows of the rest of the BB stable.
Good point you make there, If i get some time later I might do a table of all REIT and similar infrastructure funds with the lowest price they hit, current price and percentage gain.
It will be interesting to see where BBI stands in relation to others.
I think you'll find that BBI is moving on news that Asciano potentially has multiple takeover bidders. Asciano hold some substantial infrastructure assets, particularly some PORTS.
If we see a good valuation on their ports, then geewillackers, we may be in for a ride....
i'm looking to margin into Asciano on monday provided it doesnt gap up too much....
Please see the attachment for an excel spreadsheet showing current market price, 52 week low and percentage gain.
I included both Property Trusts because they have been hit hard over their debt levels and utilities, the sector which BBI is included in.
As of yesterdays close BBI has had a 700% increase from its 52 week low, the next biggest mover is 305% for VGP and the average for all the stocks is 118%. Even if we remove yesterdays gains BBI still performed stronger than others.
As per the discussion above, it was mentioned that BBI may just be running along with the rest of the market and those stocks that had been oversold.
While I believe some of the gains would have occured to general market sentiment the current percentage gain on BBI is far greater than any of its peers. I believe this highlights what we have been discussing for the last couple of months. I.E that BBI has been massively oversold (along with BEPPA) and that the sale of assets should ensure the security of the company.
Although we are not out of the woods yet, such strong gains in comparison to the rest of the property trusts/utilities indicates to me that the market is starting to see the long term potential for BBI/BEPPA (if a sale of assets occurs). This in my opinion is also evident by the market depth/transactions over the last couple of weeks where it appears to have moved from a stock that people were buying for short term gains/trades to one where there is a buy/accumulate/hold strategy.
Please see the attachment for an excel spreadsheet showing current market price, 52 week low and percentage gain.
I included both Property Trusts because they have been hit hard over their debt levels and utilities, the sector which BBI is included in.
As of yesterdays close BBI has had a 700% increase from its 52 week low, the next biggest mover is 305% for VGP and the average for all the stocks is 118%. Even if we remove yesterdays gains BBI still performed stronger than others.
As per the discussion above, it was mentioned that BBI may just be running along with the rest of the market and those stocks that had been oversold.
While I believe some of the gains would have occured to general market sentiment the current percentage gain on BBI is far greater than any of its peers. I believe this highlights what we have been discussing for the last couple of months. I.E that BBI has been massively oversold (along with BEPPA) and that the sale of assets should ensure the security of the company.
Although we are not out of the woods yet, such strong gains in comparison to the rest of the property trusts/utilities indicates to me that the market is starting to see the long term potential for BBI/BEPPA (if a sale of assets occurs). This in my opinion is also evident by the market depth/transactions over the last couple of weeks where it appears to have moved from a stock that people were buying for short term gains/trades to one where there is a buy/accumulate/hold strategy.
I agree wholeheartedly with you comments. I note you haven't included BBP in your table. I also own a few of them and am pleased with their performance. My average is a tick over 5.2c. I see them as higher risk than BBI and not necessarily higher reward, hence my smaller position in BBP.
The discussion on this thread also got my initial attention of this stock, and I must thank all involved in here for their input.
I bought in at .108 and have been rewarded by this spike in sp, I would of bought more but i was a bit cautious as it was my first trade in a few months. I guess for now, I'll just sit on it and see what it does, I would like to add more to my portfolio at a higher price but it's currently my only holidng so I might not want to skew my portfolio heavily towards one stock.
It seems like stocks such as bbi, have a massive gap between the NAV of the stock and what the market is pricing them at. Have you guys got your eyes on other stocks that have been heavily discounted by the market? Perhaps some REITs, don't mean to go off topic, but I thought I'd ask the question after the spreadsheet by Paul was brought up.
Cheers
Also interested in what the bbi/ beppa faithful are diversifying their portfolios with currently.
Cheers to all holders
have been trying to pick up some BBI at a good price over the last few days and the shares have just missed my buy mark a few days running... and now they appear to be running over the hill with me desperately trying to catch up with them! Of course, what happens on Monday will be anyone's guess, but I am hoping BBI gets a speeding ticket and replies in the standard way. Fingers crossed this leads to a few people taking profit and then some traders jumping on the bandwagon with some short trades, so temporarily forcing the price down. Do you guys reckon I might be hoping in vain?
Also interested in what the bbi/ beppa faithful are diversifying their portfolios with currently.
Cheers to all holders
Yes, thanks BB.
While I hope we have all conducted our own research, It was definatly your original comments that pointed me in the direction of beepa, So far so good.
Even if this current rise is just a flash in the pan and we do drop back on monday (which I hope we do) I feel very confident holding onto this stock, I am on board for the big win on this one.
Mitsimonsta said:I was asked:
Are you saying you think BEPPA isn't a good investment anymore at this price? or did I read that wrong?
I am most certainly not saying that. It's still less than 20% of redemption value, and it still has legs to run quite a long way yet.
I am saying that for me, my portfolio, my investment strategy and thus my financial goals, it does not make sense for me to continue investing in BEPPA at this time. I will explain this further below.
For anyone ENTERING into BEPPA, I believe it is still a good time. The stock is massively undervalued in my opinion, so buying in now is still not a bad option. Would have been better 2 weeks ago though. It still has the potential to run a long way and make excellent profits.
Why am I ceasing to buy BEPPA? As far as my investment is concerned, the train has left the station. I didn't quite expect it yet, I had figured I had until early June to get my money in. Yesterday's jump was a little unexpected. Investing more in BEPPA now is akin to throwing money at a train leaving the station - you won't get much inside the carriages. It's flown the coop already.
My average buy on these is 8.36c, it's now WELL past 100% over that level, and buy buying in at that price for the value I get from it is about half of previous buys. All it will do is raise my average buy price, and take money away from other investments. It's also over 65% higher than my last buy price (10.5c) and at that level, further buying does not represent value to my portfolio.
Here's my portfolio at market close (post-auction) on the last 2 days:
Thursday 07/05/2009
Friday 08/05/2009
As you can see, I have so many units of BEPPA now that a small increase in SP has a massive effect on my portfolio equity mix. As you can see on the pie charts, BEPPA is massively overweight on the equity mix.
I have had problems where I have purchased more FXJ and then the stock went down, however it impacted on my portfolio in a very negative way because of the percentage that FXJ makes up of my portfolio.
Whereas earlier this week my strategy was to continue accumulating BEPPA, now it's not really in the best interests of my portfolio. I have to buy against it (and FXJ) in order to bring their percentages down. And BEPPA is only going to go higher overall now, so I am going to have a real problem when it hits 25-30c. It will represent about 60% of my portfolio, and I will be at the mercy of it's SP. Mind you, I cannot see it falling into red anytime soon.
Once again, investment strategy has to be fluid and change in order to respond to market conditions, or you will have your heart on buying a stock when you really shouldn't.
Right now, I see myself with 3 main investment choices.
- Continue investing into the market
- Start investing into a different area - managed fund, term deposit, buy into a business or my own home
- Save cash and/or pay down debt
Right now, with sharemarkets still at a point where I call them undervalued and a heap of excellent 'Capital Gain potential' stocks out there, I am going for investing more into the market. Interest rates are low and I can service my debts easily. I also do not have enough cash to dump into a managed fund or term deposit - typically $5K for an opening investment.
So, now I have 4 choices:
- Invest in BEPPA (still a great option) or even FXJ/CBA
- Consolidate position in my smaller holdings (buy more of them, cost average. ORG, MAP & SHL is what I am talking about here)
- Diversify at market sector level and buy other companies in sectors I already own (spread risk within a sector)
- Diversify against companies and sectors I already hold by buying into new market sectors (spread risk within the market)
Option 1 is not really an option, except for maybe CBA. I do not like holding more than 25% of my entire portfolio in one stock. At 6 holdings I should be 30% on one stock at a maximum. Even though I was over 25% on BEPPA and willing to invest more, now the price has gone up a very significant amount it is alot less attractive. Basically, at my buys previously, the SP was way to attractive to NOT buy in.
Option 2 is a good one, except that I will be missing out on a seed buy on a couple of really decent yet underpriced stocks that I can dollar-cost-average later. It also slows exposure to other market sectors.
Option 3 is worthwhile, except that market sectors tend to follow each other. Not such a bad idea in a bigger portfolio in that once you have a number of stocks you can spread the risk within the sector. But with sectors outstanding (property and mining - big ones) and a small holding, it's better to hedge against any one sector. So option 4, at this time, is what I am going to do.
Disc. BBI/BEPPA represents 88% of my current portfolio. I will not sell either until they are fair value according to my analysis.
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