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BBI - Babcock & Brown Infrastructure

The office loves me.

A mate got wind that I bought BBI a few weeks back and spread the news to another colleague who threw a bit on it.
Don't share your secrets any more. They pushed up the price for the rest of us

Also, I don't know who said it but the theory about BEPPA being weaker in the afternoon got blown out of the water this week. Really guys, trying to short term trade and predict short term price movements is fair dinkum guess work.
That was me BB.

It was simply an observation that BEPPA opened with strength then died in the afternoon, closing a near-opening price. It did this for a while (about a week and a half), enough to show a trend.

But yes you are deadset correct about trying to predict the SP on a stock like this. You can only observe and extrapolate based on what you have seen.


Mitsi,

Me too, entire portfolio up appro $8k. Big for me.

I must thank you again for encouraging me to hold HFA, it has done well thus far! So THANKS!!!!
Congrats mate. You just need to have patience, yet know when to jump as things turn sour but that is easier said than done. You bought in at the bottom of the market, so all you needed to do is chill out and wait a while.

You wouldn't buy into a stock that you thought was going to fall. Wait for the rise, and then execute a sell when you see the gains made. Or, buy into a bigger, more stable company with good long-term dividends and take a longer-term view. It's much less stressful, trust me.

I always say "Never trust anyone that says 'Trust me'" by the way


x2.

Except the Grange. While I have had a nice rise, I am not rich enough to afford Grange (yet). There will be something though. I don't think BB will need to pull out his wallet that night AT ALL.

I am going to leave BEPPA accumulation now, as there is simply too great a Delta between the cost average of my shares and buying in for more. If I was able to get more for 13c, then I would.

I am going to look at consolidating some of my smaller holdings, and diversify into a couple of new market sectors. I am seriously overweight on BEPPA now and need to invest 'against' it in order to follow my investment strategy. While the SP rise is appreciated, there are issues and problems created by it.

Cheers all, just cracked a beer.
 
I would like to thank BB for drawing our attention to this stock and also for providing research commentary of a superb quality.

Yes, thanks BB.

While I hope we have all conducted our own research, It was definatly your original comments that pointed me in the direction of beepa, So far so good.

Even if this current rise is just a flash in the pan and we do drop back on monday (which I hope we do) I feel very confident holding onto this stock, I am on board for the big win on this one.
 

Good point you make there, If i get some time later I might do a table of all REIT and similar infrastructure funds with the lowest price they hit, current price and percentage gain.

It will be interesting to see where BBI stands in relation to others.
 

I think you'll find that BBI is moving on news that Asciano potentially has multiple takeover bidders. Asciano hold some substantial infrastructure assets, particularly some PORTS.

If we see a good valuation on their ports, then geewillackers, we may be in for a ride....

i'm looking to margin into Asciano on monday provided it doesnt gap up too much....
 

I hold the same view. Even though the entire market has moved ahead and alot of property/infrastructure funds have seen strong gains, BBI has outperformed because of Ascianos situation, the impending annoucement of the sale of assets and the fact that it is perhaps one of the most oversold stocks
 


Please see the attachment for an excel spreadsheet showing current market price, 52 week low and percentage gain.

I included both Property Trusts because they have been hit hard over their debt levels and utilities, the sector which BBI is included in.

As of yesterdays close BBI has had a 700% increase from its 52 week low, the next biggest mover is 305% for VGP and the average for all the stocks is 118%. Even if we remove yesterdays gains BBI still performed stronger than others.

As per the discussion above, it was mentioned that BBI may just be running along with the rest of the market and those stocks that had been oversold.

While I believe some of the gains would have occured to general market sentiment the current percentage gain on BBI is far greater than any of its peers. I believe this highlights what we have been discussing for the last couple of months. I.E that BBI has been massively oversold (along with BEPPA) and that the sale of assets should ensure the security of the company.

Although we are not out of the woods yet, such strong gains in comparison to the rest of the property trusts/utilities indicates to me that the market is starting to see the long term potential for BBI/BEPPA (if a sale of assets occurs). This in my opinion is also evident by the market depth/transactions over the last couple of weeks where it appears to have moved from a stock that people were buying for short term gains/trades to one where there is a buy/accumulate/hold strategy.
 

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You're average worked out to be 118% on what many would have called high risk securities.

For comparisons sake lets look at the market movers

RIO - 52w low: $29.91, Current: $71.60, %Gain 139%
BHP - 52w low: $20.00, Current: $35.31, %Gain 77%
CBA - 52w low: $24.03, Current: $36.74, %Gain 53%
NAB - 52w low: $15.85, Current: $22.78, %Gain 44%

average - 78.25%

a sizeable difference, but not that big when considering the difference in risk.


pretty much what im saying is we still got legs in this
 

I agree wholeheartedly with you comments. I note you haven't included BBP in your table. I also own a few of them and am pleased with their performance. My average is a tick over 5.2c. I see them as higher risk than BBI and not necessarily higher reward, hence my smaller position in BBP.
 

I typed it up pretty quick, so I may have missed a few. I will add/update later, so if anyone knows of any other stocks that should be included, let us know?
 
Hi There,

Thoroughly enjoyed reading this fantastic thread over the last few months. I've bought some BEPPA, but have been trying to pick up some BBI at a good price over the last few days and the shares have just missed my buy mark a few days running... and now they appear to be running over the hill with me desperately trying to catch up with them! Of course, what happens on Monday will be anyone's guess, but I am hoping BBI gets a speeding ticket and replies in the standard way. Fingers crossed this leads to a few people taking profit and then some traders jumping on the bandwagon with some short trades, so temporarily forcing the price down so they can then long it later in the day... Do you guys reckon I might be hoping in vain? Leaks from Macquarie dudes involved in the DBCT sale, Long term holders jumping in, even funds? another green day in the US will snatch this baby from my grasp again? I worry that if I wait too long what with the impending sale of DBCT, I'll never get a good price!
 
The discussion on this thread also got my initial attention of this stock, and I must thank all involved in here for their input.

I bought in at .108 and have been rewarded by this spike in sp, I would of bought more but i was a bit cautious as it was my first trade in a few months. I guess for now, I'll just sit on it and see what it does, I would like to add more to my portfolio at a higher price but it's currently my only holidng so I might not want to skew my portfolio heavily towards one stock.

It seems like stocks such as bbi, have a massive gap between the NAV of the stock and what the market is pricing them at. Have you guys got your eyes on other stocks that have been heavily discounted by the market? Perhaps some REITs, don't mean to go off topic, but I thought I'd ask the question after the spreadsheet by Paul was brought up.

Cheers
 

Also interested in what the bbi/ beppa faithful are diversifying their portfolios with currently.

Cheers to all holders
 
Also interested in what the bbi/ beppa faithful are diversifying their portfolios with currently.

Cheers to all holders

MCW is my largest holding just ahead of Beppa, But it has already recovered off it's lows of 10c to 36.5c. Still alot of upside in this stock though and it's still paying a good div.

my holdings as of friday are, from largest to smallest.

MCW
BEPPA
Sims Metal
APA
BHP
Australian automotive holdings
TOL
CBA
BBI
arrow energy
Beach petroleum
Villiage roadshow
fkp property

the first 2 make up 50% of my holding.
 

At the moment, all markets shown on Commsec are Green.
BBI has 385 buyers buying 31.1M BBI and 42 sellers selling 2.6M BBI
BEPPA has 72 buyers buying 4.4M BEPPA and 18 sellers selling 1.5M BEPPA.

BEPPA lowest sell is above the last close, and BEPPAs highest buy is yesterdays close.


MacqCap can leak more over the weekend.

Closer to DBCT release.

Time for people to research BEPPA/BBI more over the weekend

Whilst anything could happen, I think you are being overly optimistic.
 
Also interested in what the bbi/ beppa faithful are diversifying their portfolios with currently.

Cheers to all holders

Hi Brendan

I also wonder what other BBI/BEPPA followers invest in. I am only into BEPPA but not BBI and only by virtue of this thread and my thanks to BB for his insight and favouring us with his depth of knowledge. I have a two portfolios - my 'personal' and my SMSF. My stocks in the 'personal' are virtually all resources and my SMSF more diversified. The stocks are -
Personal
AXM Apex Minerals
BAU Bauxite Minerals
BEPPA
CCG Citadel Resources
EQN Equinox Minerals
JML Jabiru Minerals
MAH Macmahon Group
MGX Mt Gibson Iron
PLA Platinum Aust
UMC United Minerals
SMSF
APZ Aspen Group
BEPPA
HST Hastie Group
LEI Leighton Holdings
MCP McPhersons
MGX Mt Gibson Iron
RIO
SKI Spark Infrastructure
UGL United Group
WOW Woolworths

Good luck to all holders and I am hoping to hold for the long term and eagerly await resumption of dividend payments - 4.35 cents/share accrued by end June 2009.
 

I would like to add my thanks to BB. His analysis and commitment to BBI caused me to reverse my pessimism. I had given up on the company. After reviewing the assets and prospects for the company I decided to buy more to reduce my overall average price. I'm now less poor (on paper), thanks to this thread.
 
I am going to diversify into REITs now for the time being. My portfolio is massivley overweight on BEPPA and I need to get more equity in other market sectors.

I have posted this elsewhere, Ricee007 has probably seen it already. It's more of my own thoughts and concerns about my holdings, and my plan to improve it in line with my personal goals and my own 'rules' of investing. It is not to be construed as financial advice.


VPG (for CG) is more than likely my next target. Low price, very large growth potential. Had some decent rises in SP but it really has not fired up yet like I expect it to. WDC (for divs) and MOF (balanced CG/Div) are another two REITs that I am thinking about. Which one I buy will more than likely be deceinded by SP movements when I am ready to open a position in one of them.

Mining is another sector I do not have in my portfolio right now, although previously had BHP, RIO & FMG. LGL is probably my first target. I also like FLX, and would be almost remiss of me not too get some BHP and RIO back into my portfolio at one stage.

Energy is my final target. Anything wind and/or gas is on my hitlist. I hold ORG and wish to consolidate my holding there. There are a few other stocks that I am researching now that look attractive on the surface but I am unsure regarding the real value of them yet.

Sorry, it's a long post, I will shut up now.
 
I have never been one for the diversification theory however I acknowledge it is possibly a "safer" option for investors.
If you are looking for some mining stocks, two that I own that are massively undervalued in my opinion are:
Indophil (IRN)
Intrepid (IAU)

Please, as always, do your own research.

Disc. BBI/BEPPA represents 88% of my current portfolio. I will not sell either until they are fair value according to my analysis.
 
Mitsimonsta; Ive had my own businesses for the past 30 years, and rarely make more than 30% on capital invested after everything paid (inc wages to me),sometimes you make a loss. I look at BBI as another business that I own, and if it does manage to succeed in staying afloat to the dividend paying stage, I expect to get far more than 30% on initial capital invested ,every year, from my investment. Obviously there are substantial risks in this strategy but owning your own business comes with substantial risks and a lot of headaches and heartache. BBi to me represents an opportunity to have a passive business with an exceptional return on initial capital invested.
If BBI can hold 50% of DBCT and continue to hold NGPL,they alone should contribute FCF of approx $200m per year this equates to dividends of more than 8cents per share. Thats before everything else is taken into consideration. Large asset sales are the key and if 50% of DBCT and 100% of PD Ports goes for reasonable prices I reckon its in the clear.
All I am really saying is that the dream of owning your own business is not as great as it may seem.
I hold BBI for long term and BEPPA for shorter term.These are 100% of my portfolio. P.S. I dont mind a bit of risk!!!
 
Disc. BBI/BEPPA represents 88% of my current portfolio. I will not sell either until they are fair value according to my analysis.

Wow thats a huge percentage of your portfolio.

However i do see your logic, why would you invest in anything else (at this point in time) if your research and opinion suggests there is potential for a 1000% gain (based on your purchase price of sub 10c). Since the market bottomed the only stock I have bought is BBI and BEPPA.

On another note, any predictions on where BBI and BEPPA open today? it will definately be interesting
 
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