Barack Obama!

[noirua]

Re: Barack 2008!

Hi 2020, Barack Obama, if he becomes President, will he be stuck with an expanding war in Afghanistan, which he in fact agrees with. Troops have been reduced in Iraq but those numbers are unlikely to reduce as rapidly as the needs in Afghanistan.
Unemployment is set to rise and cost the country more.

Where is the money coming from to pay for the welfare schemes proposed. One place for certain, the blue collar workers of America.

McCain has less ambitious plans and this alone would see the country more safely through the problems ahead.

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: Barack 2008!

Hi 2020, Barack Obama, if he becomes President, will be stuck with an expanding war in Afghanistan, which
he in fact agrees with. Troops have been reduced in Iraq but those numbers are unlikely to reduce as rapidly as the needs in Afghanistan.
Unemployment is set to rise and cost the country more.

Where is the money coming from to pay for the welfare schemes proposed. One place for certain, the blue collar workers of America.

McCain has less ambitious plans and this alone would see the country more safely through the problems ahead.

Yep but a happy optimistic society will pull through this thing faster surely.

Hell McCain would have the same problems with the war
and he only has one plan - "Everyone (including the govt) - Batten Down ! - zip up your wallets! "

ok - throw in a gesture or two, give with one hand, take with the other, rob Peter to pay Peter stuff, ...

 

[noirua]

Re: Barack 2008!

Yep but a happy optimistic society will pull through this thing faster surely.

Hell McCain would have the same problems with the war
and he only has one plan - "Everyone (including the govt) - Batten Down ! - zip up your wallets! "

ok - throw in a gesture or two, give with one hand, take with the other, rob Peter to pay Peter stuff, ...

The polls are showing a slight recovery for McCain, as Obama appears to not want to engage on the costs front in the present world decline.

Yes indeed, McCain and Obama have the same problems on the war front. Problem for Obama, on the run in, is the electorate realizing that his non-war enterprise is going cost them.

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: Barack 2008!

The polls are showing a slight recovery for McCain ...

you making that up noi?

maybe some polls (but you give no facts) - and not gallup, anyway..

Gallup Daily: Obama Maintains Lead
Among registered voters, Obama now leads 50% to 42%

October 18, 2008 The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking report from Wednesday through Friday, including two days of interviewing after Wednesday night’s final presidential debate, shows Barack Obama with a 50%to 42% lead over John McCain among registered voters.

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: Barack 2008!

Rasmussen similar to Gallup ...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ial_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Saturday, October 18, 2008

Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows Barack Obama attracting 50% of the vote while John McCain earns 45%. These figures reflect a remarkably stable race in which Obama has enjoyed a four-to-eight point advantage for twenty-three straight days. McCain has not been up by even a single point in over a month (see trends).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...al_election/general_election_match_up_history

(PS I'm not saying it won't change - but at the moment it's "remarkably stable", with Obama enjoying a handy lead.)

 

[derty]

Re: Barack 2008!

One of the few republicans I have any real respect for these days, Colin Powell, has publicly endorsed Obama. Quite a kick in the guts for the GOP campaign, though the GOP lost Powell after Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld's neocon machinations pushed Powell aside.

Barack would be wise to use Powell's counsel where he can, if he becomes President.

(CNN) -- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell announced Sunday that he will be voting for Sen. Barack Obama, citing the Democrat's "ability to inspire" and the "inclusive nature of his campaign."

"I think he is a transformational figure, he is a new generation coming onto the world stage, onto the American stage, and for that reason I'll be voting for Sen. Barack Obama," Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press." ...

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/19/colin.powell/index.html?eref=rss_politics

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: Barack 2008!

One of the few republicans I have any real respect for these days, Colin Powell, has publicly endorsed Obama.

Far out! - thanks derty - what a classic

 

[noirua]

Re: Barack 2008!

Hi 2020, It is in fact the Gallup poll that showed Obama well in front but the gap narrowing: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aO7rVJj1pBGI&refer=home

 

[Julia]

Re: Barack 2008!

O
Barack would be wise to use Powell's counsel where he can, if he becomes President.

Agreed. Always thought he was the only one in that administration with some integrity.

His endorsement is surely just a great boost for Obama and a huge smack in the face for poor McCain.

 

[Bushman]

Re: Barack 2008!

Agreed with all about Powell's endorsement. Interesting that he has zeroed in on Palin not being ready for President (as have a few other Republican Party luminaries). Interesting and certainly is giving me renewed respect for the Republicans. The mantra of populism, nepotism, greed and religious fervour has damaged the reputation of their party and put the American populace in harms way.

McCain's come back was to say that his old Vietnam war budy Kissinger had endorsed him. You know, he of the 'lets bomb Laos' infamy. 'Ol Man' rivers is now a very tired campaign.

 

[Green08]

Re: Barack 2008!

The Next President a World of Challenges

There was a screening Colin Powell, Madaline Albright, Kissinger,

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gvuNcsOp21M&feature=related - Powell


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6QS0kvjlVY&feature=related - Powell

Leaves McCain on Foregin Policy - forget Sarah in the dust.

 

[ZzzzDad]

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Released: October 19, 2008
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 47.8%, McCain 45.1%

McCain slowly gains on Obama

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1597

UTICA, New York - Republican John McCain continued a slow advance on Democrat Barack Obama in the race for President, moving back within three percentage points as the race begins to head down the stretch run, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking poll shows.

McCain now trails Obama by 2.7 points, down from the 3.9 point deficit he faced 24 hours earlier.

Seven-point-one percent of the likely voters surveyed said they remain undecided.

Obama lost five-tenths of a point from yesterday's report, while McCain gained another six-tenths of a point. It was the third consecutive day in which Obama's numbers slipped and McCain's numbers increased.

Other polls here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

As election day approaches, the race narrows, as people are slowly coming to their senses!!

 

[Green08]

Re: Barack 2008!

ZD in which states is McCain gaining?

 

[ZzzzDad]

Re: Barack 2008!

ZD in which states is McCain gaining?

Here's a good link to see who is "winning" each state:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

The national number though is what matters most. That is where you can see where the state races will trend. If you win the national number by more than one percent, then you will almost certainly win the electoral vote too.

You can win the popular vote and still lose the electoral vote, but as I said, if you win the popular vote by more than one percent, the electoral vote ALWAYS follows. Gore won the popular vote in 2000, but he was less than one percent ahead of Bush in the popular vote.

This is why I tend to follow the national poll number and ignore the state polls.

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: Barack 2008!

Here's a good link to see who is "winning" each state:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

thanks zzd,

Well I'm gonna go out on a limb .. and predict that the Dems will win Minnesota. (MN) lol.

PS here's what happened in 1984 :-

and also what I predict for 2008

I also predict that, should McCain/Palin win, they'll cut Alaska adrift and row it around to be closer to Arizona

 

[Green08]

Re: Barack 2008!

I also predict that, should McCain/Palin win, they'll cut Alaska adrift and row it around to be closer to Arizona

If you cut Alaska off the will be celebrating non stop:band. That's what they have been on about for decades complete separation from the USA. A new country, a new currency, a new holiday destination!

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: Barack 2008!

If you cut Alaska off the will be celebrating non stop:band. That's what they have been on about for decades complete separation from the USA. A new country, a new currency, a new holiday destination!

green
you mean.. like West Australia? lol

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: Barack 2008!

:topic ... speaking of seceding ...

"... South Ossetia ... has as much right to secede from Georgia (as did Kosova from Serbia)."

http://www.vtcommons.org/blog/2008/08/29/secede-survive-pro-secession-views-georgias-secessionists

The drive to secede by Eric Margolis
Edmonton Sun: Sun, August 17, 2008

...U.S. money, military trainers, advisers, and spooks poured into the former Soviet Republic of Georgia. Israeli arms dealers, businessmen and intelligence agents quickly followed...The Bush administration brazenly flouted agreements with Moscow made by presidents H.W Bush and Bill Clinton not to expand NATO into the former U.S.S.R....

On Aug. 7 Saakashvili, his head swelled by Washington's promises of additional aid, arms and eventual membership in NATO, rashly sent his little army to invade the breakaway region of South Ossetia. Washington likely backed this attack or at least knew of it.

Putin seized upon Saakashvili's disastrous blunder and unleashed two Russian divisions against the Georgians, who were quickly routed. Impudent Georgia and its American sponsors were humiliated....South Ossetia and Abkhazia likely will move into Russia's orbit. The West backed independence of Kosovo from Serbia. The peoples of South Ossetia and Abkhazia have as much right to secede from Georgia..

Plucky little Georgia? No, the cold war reading won't wash
Mark Almond, The Guardian, Saturday August 9 2008

It is crudely simplistic to cast Russia as the sole villain in the clashes over South Ossetia. The west would be wise to stay out...Unlike in eastern Europe, for instance, today in breakaway states such as South Ossetia or Abkhazia, Russian troops are popular. Vladimir Putin's picture is more widely displayed than that of the South Ossetian president, the former Soviet wrestling champion Eduard Kokoity. The Russians are seen as protectors against a repeat of ethnic cleansing by Georgians.

 

[noirua]

Re: Barack 2008!

Barack Obama's triumphant supporters may yet regret their triumphalism as the, all but, conceding strategy may yet surprise.

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: Barack 2008!

noi,
If you want to put money on McCain , you'll get $8.00.
Meanwhile Obama is $1.14.

And likewise the graphs seem to be speaking for themselves ...

- Sure the lead is slightly reduced if you use likely voters (expanded) (52-43) instead of registered voters (52-41), but still a handy lead.

Gallup-Daily-Obamas-Lead-Edges-Higher

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111274/Gallup-Daily-Obamas-Lead-Edges-Higher.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107674/Interactive-Graph-Follow-General-Election.aspx

http://www.easyodds.com/compareodds/specials/Politics/m/147587-234-5.html

A cynic (realist?) might say that, with 2 weeks to go, GOP should consider keeping their money for the next challenge in 2012.

An alternative expanded likely voter model shows what would happen if turnout reflects voters' self-reported likelihood of voting and campaign interest, but is not assumed to be dependent on their voting history. Under that scenario, Obama leads by 9 points, 52% to 43%. -- Lydia Saad