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doris -2020...
You have to admit though, if they had our Westminster system, Hillary would be the nominee!
Who knew Barack when this started?
So their system works for them!
Not happy!
The only resolution is... yes, let them have a punitive half vote... but a new ballot is essential for fairness!
What about those who did not turn out because it had been decided by the DNC that they would not count?
... those who 'did the right thing' and accepted the ruling and did not vote?
2,118 delegates are now needed to secure the nomination.
Before today: Obama 1,984.5 ... Clinton 1,784.5 ... (Obama needed 41.5)
Today-
Obama: 2047.5... additional 33.5 votes in Florida and 29.5 in Michigan.
Clinton: 1,871.5 ... 52.5 in Florida and 34.5 in Michigan.
Only 86 pledged delegates remain to be awarded:
55 in tomorrow's Puerto Rico primary and
31 total in the June 3 Montana and South Dakota primaries.
Obama has got no chance of beating mc cain,hilary clinton is the democrats only chance & a slim one at that,remember this fact..its a 50/50 split that will ruin any chance either had of winning...clinton voters will back mc cain so its all over red rover...tb
my odds...president...
mccain....$1.50...4/6
clinton.....$2.60...13/8
obama.....$3.00...2/1
I very much doubt that.clinton voters will back mc cain
Very generous odds for ObamaObama has got no chance of beating mc cain,hilary clinton is the democrats only chance & a slim one at that,remember this fact..its a 50/50 split that will ruin any chance either had of winning...clinton voters will back mc cain so its all over red rover...tb
my odds...president...
mccain....$1.67...
clinton.....$2.60...
obama.....$3.00..
Obama has got no chance of beating mc cain,hilary clinton is the democrats only chance & a slim one at that,remember this fact..its a 50/50 split that will ruin any chance either had of winning...clinton voters will back mc cain so its all over red rover...tb
btw, the news says superdelegates are expected to flock to Barack (or Barark if you prefer) after Tuesday...
so - why not be generous about the Michigan and Florida fiascoes (fiasci?) - appease the Clintophiles !!
They really shouldn't be mean spirited about this (imho)
Democratic party rules-committee members said Barack Obama turned down two chances to increase his share of the disputed Florida and Michigan delegates. He instead instructed his supporters on the committee to agree to seating plans for the two states that allowed Hillary Clinton to narrow his lead by perhaps 19 votes, they said.
Committee members said there were enough votes to pass a motion splitting the delegation in half ”” giving each candidate 64 delegates and 32 votes. But they said the Obama campaign, which has long argued for the even split, urged his supporters to drop that plan and vote instead for one that slightly benefited Clinton.
Under the half-vote plan agreed to by the committee, Clinton gets 19 more votes than does Obama ”” 52.5 to 33.5 votes. Under the half-delegation plan, she would have netted six votes more than Obama because of complicated proportional representation rules.
Committee members said the Obama campaign also urged them not to pursue a plan that would have advantaged the Illinois senator in Florida.
dorisWow you have .. insider knowledge 2020 (?)
Revised total needed 2,118 (previously 2026)
Obama:
pledged: 1741
Superdel: 329
Total: 2070 ( 48 to go )
Hillary:
Pledged: 1624
Superdel: 291
Total: 1915 ( 203 to go )
Phew!
Barack needs 48 to cross the line and 31 pledges are left in the primaries.
169 superdelegates are left to choose sides.
(The others can still change their minds up until Denver in August!)
Will it be finally over in two days?!
doris
think I read it somewhere - like reading about shares, then buying XYZ, but forgetting why
probably in a negotiation book called .. err, something about "Getting to Yes"
- or was that "Getting to 'Yes We Can' "
McCain welcomes Obama with fresh criticism
By LIBBY QUAID – 7 hours ago
NEW ORLEANS (AP) ”” Republican John McCain welcomed Democrat Barack Obama to the fall campaign for the White House on Tuesday with a blistering attack on his judgment and a charge that he "voted to deny funds to the soldiers who have done a brilliant and brave job" in Iraq.
"Americans ought to be concerned about the judgment of a presidential candidate who says he's ready to talk, in person and without conditions, with tyrants from Havana to Pyongyang, but hasn't traveled to Iraq to meet with General (David) Petraeus, and see for himself the progress he threatens to reverse," McCain said as his rival wrapped up the Democratic nomination.
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In a speech intended to mark the start of the general election, the Republican defended himself against Obama's frequent claim that McCain is "running for President Bush's third term" because McCain supports the Iraq war and wants to extend the president's tax cuts.
Voters don't buy it, McCain said.
"The American people didn't get to know me yesterday, as they are just getting to know Senator Obama," McCain said. "They know I have a long record of bipartisan problem-solving. They've seen me put our country before any president, before any party, before any special interest, before my own interest."
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McCain said, once again evoking Obama's campaign theme, "Change we can believe in."
In a play on the slogan, McCain spoke in front of a campaign banner that read, "A leader we can believe in."
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