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PZ99 said:
Some good points there... I guess it's fair to say that whenever someone purchases goods/services they're paying tax so that would cover the vast majority of the population... if that's supposed to be the main attribute for voting rights. (Or in this case Lefts lol)

I don't see any difference between 16 and 18 when it comes to awareness of current affairs.

On one hand the Greens will push for 16 if they feel that will attract more Green votes :)
One the other hand someone who was 17 last year can't vote again until they're 20.

I would go for voluntary voting for over 16's and compulsory voting after 18 as a compromise :2twocents
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Do the supporters of youth voting support youth getting tried in adult courts when they commit crimes? 16-year-old voting age is another political hypocrisy like my body is my choice if you are right and talking about vaccine or left and talking about abortion.

Sometimes I think we should raise the voting age to 21. My views after 1-2 years of being full time employed, paying my own bills, and doing my tax returns certainly shifted from the age of 16 and 18. Western society doesn't produce a mature adult at 18.
 
The Triangle said:
Do the supporters of youth voting support youth getting tried in adult courts when they commit crimes? 16-year-old voting age is another political hypocrisy like my body is my choice if you are right and talking about vaccine or left and talking about abortion.

Sometimes I think we should raise the voting age to 21. My views after 1-2 years of being full time employed, paying my own bills, and doing my tax returns certainly shifted from the age of 16 and 18. Western society doesn't produce a mature adult at 18.
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I think 25 would be a better age for a number of reasons, but alas, that ain't likely to happen.
 
Yeah nah... youth unemployment is higher than other age groups so these people are more affected by Govt policy yet they have to wait until they're in their 20's to vote ? Nup.

16 for me... couldn't care less about the spurious connection with vaccines or abortion.
 
PZ99 said:
Yeah nah... youth unemployment is higher than other age groups so these people are more affected by Govt policy yet they have to wait until they're in their 20's to vote ? Nup.

16 for me... couldn't care less about the spurious connection with vaccines or abortion.
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6-year-olds are impacted by government policy let's give them a vote too, right? Immigrants on work visas are very heavily impacted by government policy, let them vote? Prisoners? Entirely dependent on a government policy. Should they all get to vote? China is dependent on our government policy. Let's let them vote too in our elections.
 
The Triangle said:
6-year-olds are impacted by government policy let's give them a vote too, right? Immigrants on work visas are very heavily impacted by government policy, let them vote? Prisoners? Entirely dependent on a government policy. Should they all get to vote? China is dependent on our government policy. Let's let them vote too in our elections.
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That response has just convinced me that 16 year olds should be allowed to vote. Thanks.

PS: Next time you think about raising the voting age to 21 think about how much of an insult that is given the very right to vote in this country was bought, fought and paid for by our soldiers many of who were under 21.
 
The Triangle said:
6-year-olds are impacted by government policy let's give them a vote too, right? Immigrants on work visas are very heavily impacted by government policy, let them vote? Prisoners? Entirely dependent on a government policy. Should they all get to vote? China is dependent on our government policy. Let's let them vote too in our elections.
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Yeahbut... Stupid 16 year olds I likely to vote greens...
 
The Brittany Higgs affair has become more and more a manipulation by the team Brittany.
Despite not being in sufficient mental state to go through a retrial, she has stated that she will take the stand in support of anyone sued by her alleged rapist bruce Lehrman.
Because of the statute of Limitations , Higgins was unable to sue her former employers, Senators Cash and Reynolds and the fedral government unless she had filed papers prior to March 2022.
For reasons that escape me, Senator Reynolds agreed to waive the time limit till Dec 6th, and Cash and the Commonwealth until February.
Reynolds wanted the accusations tested in court so she could her version of events, but events have overtaken.
From Evil Murdoch press
Former defence minister Linda Reynolds won’t be able to contest any allegations brought by Brittany Higgins against her in court, as the former Liberal staffer pursues mediation to settle a civil claim against the commonwealth.

Ms Higgins is set to head to mediation next Tuesday in a bid to reach an out-of-court settlement with the commonwealth.

Sources aware of the matter said Senator Reynolds, whose parliamentary office Ms Higgins alleged she was raped in during the early hours of March 23, 2019, had wanted the claims against her made public so she could fight them. “This is what she was fighting to prevent,” a source said of the mediation.
Because no documents have been filed and the December 6 deadline has passed, The Australian was told Senator Reynolds could no longer be listed as a respondent in the case.

She has insisted any claims against her are tested in court. For that to happen, documents had to have been filed. Senator Reynolds declined to comment, as did Ms Higgins’ lawyer, Noor Blumer.
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It looks like the two senators have been out lawyered.
The federal government was always going to waiver its rights right to the time limit, its great politics, keeps the limelight on the opposition, and makes them look among the metoo set.
As for the two senators, maybe they foolishly thought that by waiving the time limit. they would get some brownie points.
fat chance.
So, I am going to bet that in the mediation process, a compliant Federal government will say that the previous federal government behaved appallingly, offer a payoff for a tidy sum to MS Higgins (and of course her lawyers), and she will walk away without anything even being revealed to the public, and Reynolds and Cash will be left high and dry.
A cynic would suggest that it was all planned this way.
Mick
 
The Triangle said:
Do the supporters of youth voting support youth getting tried in adult courts when they commit crimes?
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I'll argue they all ought be the same.

If you're old enough to make an informed choice voting in an election then you're also old enough to make informed choices in regard to:

Leaving school or continuing your education.

Entering any contract.

Consent (in regards to sex).

Marriage.

Use of any legal drug most notably alcohol and tobacco.

Owning shares, running a business etc.

Driving.

To be treated as an adult in the context of any legal proceeding and consequences thereof.

They're an adult in the context of accessing welfare of any sort, making medical decisions and so on.

And so on. If there's a valid argument that someone isn't mature enough to be doing any of the above then really, they're not mature enough to be doing any of them including voting.

It's a bit hard to argue that someone's mature enough to choose the future of the country but they're not mature enough to consent to sex or to drink alcohol.

Bearing in mind that I don't have a firm view on what age that ought be, only that either someone's an adult or they're not. I dislike double standards of someone being an adult in one context but regarded as a child in another.

Noting that I don't advocate that anyone do some of the things I've mentioned but the point's about maturity and personal choice. :2twocents
 
Leave the voting age at 18.

It's only two years and there will be more wisdom gained in two years. Studies show that the human brain matures at about 25, but that's too long to wait.
 
mullokintyre said:
The Brittany Higgs affair has become more and more a manipulation by the team Brittany.
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www.smh.com.au

Police union calls for inquiry into Lehrmann case after prosecutor alleges interference

The federal police union has accused the ACT’s chief prosecutor of smearing the force.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au

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Leaked email claims Lehrmann case prosecutor did not consult police before releasing FOI

The leaking of the ACT police chief’s email underscores the dramatic deterioration in the relationship between ACT police and the public prosecutor’s office.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
 
Interesting that the subsidies are to be paid directly to the energy retailer, rather than just to the welfare recipient, it rings of the welfare card stigma one would think they should be able to manage it.
How cumbersome will it be, when people are moving addresses etc?

thenewdaily.com.au

What we know (and don't) about PM's plan to cut power bills

Federal, state and territory governments will provide up to $3 billion in electricity bill relief to households and small businesses.
thenewdaily.com.au thenewdaily.com.au
From the article:
It will be paid through state governments and apply at the retailer level, so that discounts are applied before bills are sent to eligible households.
 
So it seems we subsidise the building of Green energy sources, this forces the price of power up, so we subsidise the cost to the consumer.

Just exactly where is all this money coming from, who is going to repay it, our Grandchildren?
 
mullokintyre said:
The greens continue to come up with some brilliant ideas.
from
One of the arguments put forward is that 16 year olds pay tax.
Corporations and other non human entities also pay tax, but they do not get the right to vote.
But leaving that aside, I am not sure how many 16 year olds actually pay tax , but if we accept the premise that paying tax allows one to vote, then does the opposite apply?
Namely if people do not pay taxes, should they be allowed to vote?
just putting it out there.
Mick
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Only because 16yo are so uninformed that the greens have a chance of scooping votes.
16yo don't need to vote. Majority of them don't know their arse from their elbow and yes I have a son that is 16 with a huge group of 16 yo friends.

You would end up with fat cat entering the Senate or some dipsht influencer. Politics is a bloody circus already.
 

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