There wasn't a hope in Hades of Turnbull winning the election @PZ99
We're going to disagree about something sometime.
My perception of Abbott though, and I'll readily acknowledge it does come via the media since I've only met him once, is of allowing his personal religious beliefs to interfere with politics. That may be wrong but it is certainly my perception.
Australia could be described as a Christian society to a point certainly but it's one where most don't take it particularly seriously. They'll celebrate Christmas and know the Bible exists but that's pretty much it really for most.
I think most have an underlying assumption that anyone elected to parliament is going to represent someone.
Labor is associated with the unions to a point still.
National is associated with farmers to some extent yes.
Greens aren't a serious contender for government but they do raise a lot of "Left" issues so at least we sort of know where their thinking is at.
Liberals? Who do they represent? To me that's not at all clear beyond saying it isn't normal employee workers, it isn't the natural environment, it doesn't really seem to be small business beyond a very limited extent and it isn't anything of a scientific or technical nature which itself covers a pretty big slice of the pie these days.
So who do they represent?
I doubt many people could really answer that question at the moment.
None of that is to say Labor will do any better. That's a different question entirely.
Good points there.We're going to disagree about something sometime.
My perception of Abbott though, and I'll readily acknowledge it does come via the media since I've only met him once, is of allowing his personal religious beliefs to interfere with politics. That may be wrong but it is certainly my perception.
Australia could be described as a Christian society to a point certainly but it's one where most don't take it particularly seriously. They'll celebrate Christmas and know the Bible exists but that's pretty much it really for most.
I think most have an underlying assumption that anyone elected to parliament is going to represent someone.
Labor is associated with the unions to a point still.
National is associated with farmers to some extent yes.
Greens aren't a serious contender for government but they do raise a lot of "Left" issues so at least we sort of know where their thinking is at.
Liberals? Who do they represent? To me that's not at all clear beyond saying it isn't normal employee workers, it isn't the natural environment, it doesn't really seem to be small business beyond a very limited extent and it isn't anything of a scientific or technical nature which itself covers a pretty big slice of the pie these days.
So who do they represent?
I doubt many people could really answer that question at the moment.
None of that is to say Labor will do any better. That's a different question entirely.
He was in the wrong party at the wrong time.There wasn't a hope in Hades of Turnbull winning the election @PZ99
Thuggery takes many styles and many parties.lolThe Guardian did a good summary of the last two days in the Senate.
Why parliament still tolerates thuggery not acceptable in broader society
Katharine Murphy
LNP Senator Barry O’Sullivan blew the lid off with a comment he made about the Greens’ Sarah Hanson-Young
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...es-thuggery-not-acceptable-in-broader-society
Christina Keneally by all reports seems to have become the chosen one to replace Chris Hayes in the western Sydney seat of Fowler.
Keneally, who lives in the very upmarket Sydney Northern beaches is being parachuted into the seat from the senate despite not living there.
She will of course shift to Western Sydney.
It was feared that Keneally would not win the difficult third senate seat in NSW.
Keneally will thus have occupied a senate seat where the electors have never actually voted for her.
She was previously parachuted into the senate by Bill Shorten when Sam Dastyari was forced into exile.
She was available for this senate spot because the voters had rejected her in Benelong, John Howards old seat, against former tennis star John Alexander. This seat was also well away from her upmarket home on Scotland Island.
Prior to that she had been elected leader of NSW opposition and promptly lost the 2011 election in a landslide.
Can anyone else see a pattern here?
The seat she is reportedly planning on contesting is a multicultural mix of ethnicities with one of the largest groups being Vietnamese.
The locals seemingly were keen on a 30 year old lawyer (hell, not another one) the daughter of Vietnamese refugees.
Seems like the perfect background story for an ABC piece.
But alas, the local labour branch has not been involved in preselection of its candidate since 2007.
Nothing has really changed.
Politics is about power - getting the power and keeping it.
Mick
As diabolically bad Labor/Greens are, the Libs/Nats are even worse.... in every state.Victorian Liberal Party has shown that once again that the dictum that people who ignore history are doomed to repeat its failure still rings true.
Michael O'Brien was just not cutting the mustard in opposition, so they have a coup and replace him with the same Guy who lost the last election. O'Brien, who replaced Guy after the getting pummelled at the last election in 2018 wasn't even the given the opportunity to lose as leader, didn't even last that long.
Guy is no lazarus with a triple bypass, he is just your standard lying sneaky power hungry pollie.
Libs are destined to lose next election as well, despite the buildup up of animosity tho Genghis Dan.
Mick
“Over the coming days I will be talking to my family and colleagues about how I can best serve the people of NSW to continue to achieve these aims.
Mr Stokes and Mr Ayres are both moderates as well, and could reportedly benefit from the decision by a centre-right alliance, led by Police Minister David Elliott, to withdraw support from Mr Perrottet.
So parasite no 2 withdraws support from parasite no 1 and favours parasites 2 and 3 so that parasite no1 then gets the deputy keadership position.In return, Mr Elliott could be in the running for deputy party leader, a position that will be voted on at the same party room meeting.
If MPs can agree in advance on who should take either of the top positions, no vote will be needed.
Dont mean she aint guilty either Mick.....run it through the pub test......oh thats right you cant go to the pubGlad has fallen on her sword and resigned after ICAc said they were investigating her.
Investigating does not mean guilt, but unlike the days of Neville Wran, you can't just stand aside.
She did the right thing and resigned, the opposition and MSM would have eventually hounded her out.
However, as usual, the parasites are fighting over the spoils as they dodge and weve trying to take her place.
From Todays OZ
So parasite no 2 withdraws support from parasite no 1 and favours parasites 2 and 3 so that parasite no1 then gets the deputy keadership position.
No mention of whats good for the party, the parliament, or heaven forbid the people of NSW.
Mick
That was cruel!Dont mean she aint guilty either Mick.....run it through the pub test......oh thats right you cant go to the pub
Ffs if you think he was gone for the grange i would think naive springs to mindThat was cruel!
I have never been a fan of ICACS.
There is no place in society for secret star chambers.
The various versions of ICAC have killed three NSW premiers , one of whom was found not guilty at the end of it , the other was forced to resign, not because he did something corrupt, but because someone gifted him a bottle of grange (a highly overated wine in my opinion).
Neville Wran was fingered by ICAC but was eventually exonerated.
The stupid thing is that so much of the evidence extracted by ICAC ends up being inadmissible in a law court, which is where everyone gets tried in the end.
ICACS in their various forms are mainly to stroke the egos of vain QC's.
Mick
By the way where is Barry these daysFfs if you think he was gone for the grange i would think naive springs to mind
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