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There is even less hope now..
We're going to disagree about something sometime.
My perception of Abbott though, and I'll readily acknowledge it does come via the media since I've only met him once, is of allowing his personal religious beliefs to interfere with politics. That may be wrong but it is certainly my perception.
Australia could be described as a Christian society to a point certainly but it's one where most don't take it particularly seriously. They'll celebrate Christmas and know the Bible exists but that's pretty much it really for most.
I think most have an underlying assumption that anyone elected to parliament is going to represent someone.
Labor is associated with the unions to a point still.
National is associated with farmers to some extent yes.
Greens aren't a serious contender for government but they do raise a lot of "Left" issues so at least we sort of know where their thinking is at.
Liberals? Who do they represent? To me that's not at all clear beyond saying it isn't normal employee workers, it isn't the natural environment, it doesn't really seem to be small business beyond a very limited extent and it isn't anything of a scientific or technical nature which itself covers a pretty big slice of the pie these days.
So who do they represent?
I doubt many people could really answer that question at the moment.
None of that is to say Labor will do any better. That's a different question entirely.
I think I would be happier to be associated with the unions than the banks if royal commissions are anything to go by.....
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Good points there.We're going to disagree about something sometime.
My perception of Abbott though, and I'll readily acknowledge it does come via the media since I've only met him once, is of allowing his personal religious beliefs to interfere with politics. That may be wrong but it is certainly my perception.
Australia could be described as a Christian society to a point certainly but it's one where most don't take it particularly seriously. They'll celebrate Christmas and know the Bible exists but that's pretty much it really for most.
I think most have an underlying assumption that anyone elected to parliament is going to represent someone.
Labor is associated with the unions to a point still.
National is associated with farmers to some extent yes.
Greens aren't a serious contender for government but they do raise a lot of "Left" issues so at least we sort of know where their thinking is at.
Liberals? Who do they represent? To me that's not at all clear beyond saying it isn't normal employee workers, it isn't the natural environment, it doesn't really seem to be small business beyond a very limited extent and it isn't anything of a scientific or technical nature which itself covers a pretty big slice of the pie these days.
So who do they represent?
I doubt many people could really answer that question at the moment.
None of that is to say Labor will do any better. That's a different question entirely.
I think there is an appetite for a moderate conservative government in Oz, certainly in circles I mix in, there is a big appetite for it.
The problem I see with the center right and right in general (Libs are no longer truly on the right) is that there is always a deal breaker.
Bernardis Conservatives for example. Most of their platform is very appealing to middle Australia, but the overt religious element and anti abortion stance is a huuuuge deal breaker.
With PHON, its Paulines temperament
With Lib Dems is the gun policy etc.
He was in the wrong party at the wrong time.
I think he'd crush Shorten if he had the party in line behind him but sadly not the case.
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Last Newspoll for Turnbull was 49/51 2PP.
Howard, Keating won elections from further back than that.
Anything closer than 47/53 is competitive for any sitting Govt.
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An Ode to Parliament.
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The Nationals are crumbling around Australia. Why this is happening and the new options for rural voters makes fascinating reading. The next election could see profound changes in who represents rural Australia.
Nationals face their biggest threat yet after an annus horribilis
Traditional party of the bush wracked by personal scandals, leadership instability and a raft of new competitors on their turf
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-biggest-threat-yet-after-an-annus-horribilis
Nationals face their biggest threat yet after an annus horribilis
Traditional party of the bush wracked by personal scandals, leadership instability and a raft of new competitors on their turf
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-biggest-threat-yet-after-an-annus-horribilis
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And just to press the point about challenge facing the Nationals (and obviously the Coalition) check this out.
Sigh. Now the voters of Australia are forced to add moral disgust to our political burden
Jacqueline Maley23 December 2018 — 12:05am
“As president of a long-standing organisation that has maintained its credibility because of its conservative approach, and ethical and moral standards, we are quite appalled at some of the behaviour within politics,” she said.
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The married family-values frontbencher fell on his sword after becoming embroiled in the 'sugar baby' scandal.
“The misogynistic attitude needs to stop and it needs to stop very quickly, it needs to be changed...a lot of our members are questioning how they will go to the polls.”
If there is a better explanation of why the government should be very afraid of credible centre-right independents taking rural seats, I am yet to see it.
When you’ve lost the CWA, you’ve lost the country, and this must especially be true for a conservative government, full of politicians whose Facebook pages are replete with posed pictures at lamington drives and school fetes, and all the other CWA events that provide the perfect backdrop for their self-promotion.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/po...-to-our-political-burden-20181221-p50npj.html
Sigh. Now the voters of Australia are forced to add moral disgust to our political burden
Jacqueline Maley23 December 2018 — 12:05am
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“As president of a long-standing organisation that has maintained its credibility because of its conservative approach, and ethical and moral standards, we are quite appalled at some of the behaviour within politics,” she said.
Video Player is loading.
Current Time 0:00
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Duration 1:51
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Andrew Broad: The scandal that claimed an MP
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The married family-values frontbencher fell on his sword after becoming embroiled in the 'sugar baby' scandal.
“The misogynistic attitude needs to stop and it needs to stop very quickly, it needs to be changed...a lot of our members are questioning how they will go to the polls.”
If there is a better explanation of why the government should be very afraid of credible centre-right independents taking rural seats, I am yet to see it.
When you’ve lost the CWA, you’ve lost the country, and this must especially be true for a conservative government, full of politicians whose Facebook pages are replete with posed pictures at lamington drives and school fetes, and all the other CWA events that provide the perfect backdrop for their self-promotion.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/po...-to-our-political-burden-20181221-p50npj.html
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The CWA party next ?
Imagine the limitless amounts of scones being baked for fundraisers.
Imagine the limitless amounts of scones being baked for fundraisers.
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Thuggery takes many styles and many parties.lol
North Queensland MP KO'd on night out fined and banned from nightclub district
Mundingburra MP Les Walker, who was knocked unconscious at Townsville's Mad Cow nightclub and treated in hospital, is fined and banned from the city's nightclub strip.
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Christina Keneally by all reports seems to have become the chosen one to replace Chris Hayes in the western Sydney seat of Fowler.
Keneally, who lives in the very upmarket Sydney Northern beaches is being parachuted into the seat from the senate despite not living there.
She will of course shift to Western Sydney.
It was feared that Keneally would not win the difficult third senate seat in NSW.
Keneally will thus have occupied a senate seat where the electors have never actually voted for her.
She was previously parachuted into the senate by Bill Shorten when Sam Dastyari was forced into exile.
She was available for this senate spot because the voters had rejected her in Benelong, John Howards old seat, against former tennis star John Alexander. This seat was also well away from her upmarket home on Scotland Island.
Prior to that she had been elected leader of NSW opposition and promptly lost the 2011 election in a landslide.
Can anyone else see a pattern here?
The seat she is reportedly planning on contesting is a multicultural mix of ethnicities with one of the largest groups being Vietnamese.
The locals seemingly were keen on a 30 year old lawyer (hell, not another one) the daughter of Vietnamese refugees.
Seems like the perfect background story for an ABC piece.
But alas, the local labour branch has not been involved in preselection of its candidate since 2007.
Nothing has really changed.
Politics is about power - getting the power and keeping it.
Mick
Keneally, who lives in the very upmarket Sydney Northern beaches is being parachuted into the seat from the senate despite not living there.
She will of course shift to Western Sydney.
It was feared that Keneally would not win the difficult third senate seat in NSW.
Keneally will thus have occupied a senate seat where the electors have never actually voted for her.
She was previously parachuted into the senate by Bill Shorten when Sam Dastyari was forced into exile.
She was available for this senate spot because the voters had rejected her in Benelong, John Howards old seat, against former tennis star John Alexander. This seat was also well away from her upmarket home on Scotland Island.
Prior to that she had been elected leader of NSW opposition and promptly lost the 2011 election in a landslide.
Can anyone else see a pattern here?
The seat she is reportedly planning on contesting is a multicultural mix of ethnicities with one of the largest groups being Vietnamese.
The locals seemingly were keen on a 30 year old lawyer (hell, not another one) the daughter of Vietnamese refugees.
Seems like the perfect background story for an ABC piece.
But alas, the local labour branch has not been involved in preselection of its candidate since 2007.
Nothing has really changed.
Politics is about power - getting the power and keeping it.
Mick
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Victorian Liberal Party has shown that once again that the dictum that people who ignore history are doomed to repeat its failure still rings true.
Michael O'Brien was just not cutting the mustard in opposition, so they have a coup and replace him with the same Guy who lost the last election. O'Brien, who replaced Guy after the getting pummelled at the last election in 2018 wasn't even the given the opportunity to lose as leader, didn't even last that long.
Guy is no lazarus with a triple bypass, he is just your standard lying sneaky power hungry pollie.
Libs are destined to lose next election as well, despite the buildup up of animosity tho Genghis Dan.
Mick
Michael O'Brien was just not cutting the mustard in opposition, so they have a coup and replace him with the same Guy who lost the last election. O'Brien, who replaced Guy after the getting pummelled at the last election in 2018 wasn't even the given the opportunity to lose as leader, didn't even last that long.
Guy is no lazarus with a triple bypass, he is just your standard lying sneaky power hungry pollie.
Libs are destined to lose next election as well, despite the buildup up of animosity tho Genghis Dan.
Mick
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As diabolically bad Labor/Greens are, the Libs/Nats are even worse.... in every state.
Neither deserve to be anywhere near government at all.
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Glad has fallen on her sword and resigned after ICAc said they were investigating her.
Investigating does not mean guilt, but unlike the days of Neville Wran, you can't just stand aside.
She did the right thing and resigned, the opposition and MSM would have eventually hounded her out.
However, as usual, the parasites are fighting over the spoils as they dodge and weve trying to take her place.
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No mention of whats good for the party, the parliament, or heaven forbid the people of NSW.
Mick
Investigating does not mean guilt, but unlike the days of Neville Wran, you can't just stand aside.
She did the right thing and resigned, the opposition and MSM would have eventually hounded her out.
However, as usual, the parasites are fighting over the spoils as they dodge and weve trying to take her place.
From Todays OZ
So parasite no 2 withdraws support from parasite no 1 and favours parasites 2 and 3 so that parasite no1 then gets the deputy keadership position.
No mention of whats good for the party, the parliament, or heaven forbid the people of NSW.
Mick
Dont mean she aint guilty either Mick.....run it through the pub test......oh thats right you cant go to the pub
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That was cruel!
I have never been a fan of ICACS.
There is no place in society for secret star chambers.
The various versions of ICAC have killed three NSW premiers , one of whom was found not guilty at the end of it , the other was forced to resign, not because he did something corrupt, but because someone gifted him a bottle of grange (a highly overated wine in my opinion).
Neville Wran was fingered by ICAC but was eventually exonerated.
The stupid thing is that so much of the evidence extracted by ICAC ends up being inadmissible in a law court, which is where everyone gets tried in the end.
ICACS in their various forms are mainly to stroke the egos of vain QC's.
Mick
Ffs if you think he was gone for the grange i would think naive springs to mind
By the way where is Barry these days
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