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[farmerge]

Who brings a baby to a comedy show. You have to be bloody brainless. This article is even more delusional. Wtf would Arj shout this idiot to a day out. It was clearly stated "this act was not for minors" on the tickets t&c.

This was a failure of the staff.

@moXJO And the brain dead mother.

 

[moXJO]

@moXJO And the brain dead mother.

What was said about modern day accountability again?

It's always everyone else's fault

 

[Smurf1976]

Another great story from Annabel Crabb on the hot topic of the tit for tat (sic) media exchanges around women breast feeding in public.

Another case of the political-media complex failing to get to the real issue.

The problem is not the breastfeeding.

The problem is a young child being disruptive to the rest of the audience and the performer at a performance which the audience has paid to attend and which was clearly advertised as being suitable for ages 15+ only.

There are many situations in society which are suitable only for certain ages or other groups. Plenty of things for children where grown adults should keep well away or, if they're a parent taking kids, stand back and let the kids enjoy the experience.

Likewise plenty of situations that aren't suitable for children either due to the children causing disruption or due to society's desire to shield them from adult concepts.

That said, for the avoidance of doubt it's always wise if those running something make it clear. So yes, do put a sign on the slide on the playground equipment if it's not suitable for adult use. Do state "children under 15 not permitted" on the advertising for a show. Etc. That avoids any confusion.

 

[StockyGuy]

These questions of degree things are always best determined by footage. A gurgle or two would have likely flown under the radar. A screaming infant can be torture for innocent bystanders. I assume it was somewhere in the middle between those extremes. However, like Smurf said, there was an advertised minimum age, which gave Arj a clear mandate to do what he did, end of.

 

[sptrawler]

Not long ago, giving money to very profitable companies to reduce their emissions, was a huge no no and a favourite for the loonies to scream about.
Oh well times change and with it the narrative, after all it's only money.

Australia’s richest firms get $331m in grants to reduce emissions

The government has doled out $331 million to firms including Rio Tinto, Wesfarmers, Swiss giant Glencore and Rich Lister Dick Honan’s Manildra for decarbonisation projects.

www.afr.com

 

[SirRumpole]

Not long ago, giving money to very profitable companies to reduce their emissions, was a huge no no and a favourite for the loonies to scream about.
Oh well times change and with it the narrative, after all it's only money.

Australia’s richest firms get $331m in grants to reduce emissions

The government has doled out $331 million to firms including Rio Tinto, Wesfarmers, Swiss giant Glencore and Rich Lister Dick Honan’s Manildra for decarbonisation projects.

www.afr.com

Lots of carrot, no stick it seems.

 

[moXJO]

Not long ago, giving money to very profitable companies to reduce their emissions, was a huge no no and a favourite for the loonies to scream about.
Oh well times change and with it the narrative, after all it's only money.

Australia’s richest firms get $331m in grants to reduce emissions

The government has doled out $331 million to firms including Rio Tinto, Wesfarmers, Swiss giant Glencore and Rich Lister Dick Honan’s Manildra for decarbonisation projects.

www.afr.com

Labor is in now. Let the lefty hypocrisy flow.

 

[sptrawler]

Labor is in now. Let the lefty hypocrisy flow.

Yes the problem is, in Australia with such a small population and needing the money from the private sector so badly, all Govt's have their hands tied to a certain degree.
What cracks me up, is the loony left scream about the LNP subsidising business in any way and say flck all when Labor do it.
It's like with coal power stations, I will bet a pound to a pinch of $hit, that the current Govt is paying a hell of a lot more subsidies to the coal generators than the last one.
Yet you get a picture of the last PM holding a piece of coal.
The only difference has been that the current Govt has made a renewable goal and the coal generators will milk it for all it's worth.
The end result would be the same, because the coal generators were getting pushed off the system anyway, if they wanted to keep their market share they would have had to adapt or go out of business.
But the loonies love being led by a chorus of Kumbuya and is the very reason they are so easily infuenced by the media, thankfully the younger generation seem to be moving on from that era. Lol

 

[moXJO]

A big part of it is paid activist groups astroturfing positions for political optics.

 

[sptrawler]

A big part of it is paid activist groups astroturfing positions for political optics.

Politics has become a prime time soap opera and the media use it as a cheap content filler for 24/7 news obligations.
It is all just a joke.
The housing crisis and homelesness has become worse and how much coverage does that get SFA, yet they can fill 1 hour of constant dribble no problem.


According to an Ipsos poll in March 2024, the cost of living is the top issue for Australians, with 61% of voters identifying it as such. This is the same issue that has been the top concern for over two years, despite dropping to 59% in April 2023. The next top five issues are housing (42%), healthcare (29%), the economy (29%), and crime (22%).

 

[IFocus]

Just think we could have had a carbon reduction scheme but the loony Abbott / LNP called it a great big tax and killed it (Cretlin later admitted it wasn't a tax) now pony up everyone you can all pay for the Abbott government.

 

[SirRumpole]

Just think we could have had a carbon reduction scheme but the loony Abbott / LNP called it a great big tax and killed it (Cretlin later admitted it wasn't a tax) now pony up everyone you can all b ancestors to

Just think we could have had a carbon reduction scheme but the loony Abbott / LNP called it a great big tax and killed it (Cretlin later admitted it wasn't a tax) now pony up everyone you can all pay for the Abbott government.

The Greens had their chance to pass a CPRS but acted like bastards which meant it never happened.

 

[sptrawler]

A super profits tax on companies that already were offshoring profits was never going to fly IMO
Adjusting the existing royalties tax, which is based on volume that is exported and has been in place for 50 years makes much more sense, even now IMO.
The super profits tax was great optics, but I always thought the miners would find it easy to circumvent.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bhp-billiton-australia-tax-idUSKCN11R127/

How BHP and Rio Tinto channelled billions through Singapore

A wave of aggressive tax strategies that grew out of the mining boom – and one of the key suspects was the rise of marketing hubs. BHP and Rio run the biggest marketing operations in Singapore.

www.afr.com

 

[sptrawler]

Just think we could have had a carbon reduction scheme but the loony Abbott / LNP called it a great big tax and killed it (Cretlin later admitted it wasn't a tax) now pony up everyone you can all pay for the Abbott government.

Well the other way of looking at it is, if everyone was like yourself IFocus, Labor would always be in office.
Then we wouldn't need elections, which would be another great saving.

 

[sptrawler]

Just think we could have had a carbon reduction scheme but the loony Abbott / LNP called it a great big tax and killed it (Cretlin later admitted it wasn't a tax) now pony up everyone you can all pay for the Abbott government.

Leading the world with the carbon tax might have been problematic, as even the EU hasn't bedded down theirs yet and that is 10 years later and they were the front runners back when Labor were suggesting it.
Even now it isn't bedded down and Labor are paying companies to help them reduce their emissions, which is actually what Abbott suggested back in the day, so go figure eh.

Australia’s richest firms get $331m in grants to reduce emissions

The government has doled out $331 million to firms including Rio Tinto, Wesfarmers, Swiss giant Glencore and Rich Lister Dick Honan’s Manildra for decarbonisation projects.

www.afr.com

 

[IFocus]

Well the other way of looking at it is, if everyone was like yourself IFocus, Labor would always be in office.
Then we wouldn't need elections, which would be another great saving.

I have never advocated that.

 

[IFocus]

Leading the world with the carbon tax might have been problematic, as even the EU hasn't bedded down theirs yet and that is 10 years later and they were the front runners back when Labor were suggesting it.
Even now it isn't bedded down and Labor are paying companies to help them reduce their emissions, which is actually what Abbott suggested back in the day, so go figure eh.

Australia’s richest firms get $331m in grants to reduce emissions

The government has doled out $331 million to firms including Rio Tinto, Wesfarmers, Swiss giant Glencore and Rich Lister Dick Honan’s Manildra for decarbonisation projects.

www.afr.com

It was never a tax even Cretlin admitted that

 

[IFocus]

The Greens had their chance to pass a CPRS but acted like bastards which meant it never happened.

True dat.

 

[sptrawler]

It was never a tax even Cretlin admitted that

Ok, well adding a cost to production in Australia, that other countries weren't adding, was always going to be problematic, as Chris is finding out at the moment.
Australia is a high cost country already, continually adding to that cost base has to have a flow on effect, one way or another, basic business market rules.
Chris has introduced an emissions penalty system and is already having to tip in money, to get the companies to comply, all these ideas sound great but actually getting them to work without negative ramifications generally proves difficult, as the nickel miners are finding out.

They will be required to drop their emissions yet can't even compete at the moment, because our competitors aren't agreeing to drop their process emissions and toxic discharges and the world ruling bodies told Australia tough $hit when we asked for dispensation for our cleaner more expensive product.

So it might be nice standing on a wooden crate in a park telling everyone how fantastic we are, but if everything is shut down because we aren't competitive and people can't afford food and shelter, they wont be happy.
Politics 101, which is playing out as we speak. The white collar elites don't have a problem they can afford all this touchy feel good social change, it is the unwashed masses who suffer and can't afford the rent the increase in power bills, the increase in food bills, they're the ones that are worried.

 

[macca]

Ok, well adding a cost to production in Australia, that other countries weren't adding, was always going to be problematic, as Chris is finding out at the moment.
Australia is a high cost country already, continually adding to that cost base has to have a flow on effect, one way or another, basic business market rules.
Chris has introduced an emissions penalty system and is already having to tip in money, to get the companies to comply, all these ideas sound great but actually getting them to work without negative ramifications generally proves difficult, as the nickel miners are finding out.

They will be required to drop their emissions yet can't even compete at the moment, because our competitors aren't agreeing to drop their process emissions and toxic discharges and the world ruling bodies told Australia tough $hit when we asked for dispensation for our cleaner more expensive product.

So it might be nice standing on a wooden crate in a park telling everyone how fantastic we are, but if everything is shut down because we aren't competitive and people can't afford food and shelter, they wont be happy.
Politics 101, which is playing out as we speak. The white collar elites don't have a problem they can afford all this touchy feel good social change, it is the unwashed masses who suffer and can't afford the rent the increase in power bills, the increase in food bills, they're the ones that are worried.

Maybe they need to channel old Joh B from years ago ........."don't you worry about that"