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Also you would have to scalpers, bringing in grog at a hell of a markup, exploitation where there is cash is rampant.
Also you would have to scalpers, bringing in grog at a hell of a markup, exploitation where there is cash is rampant.Maybe a complete ban on alcohol in the troubled areas would have an effect, but then the grog floggers would object so that rules that out.
I think the grog floggers will be having a beano, now the welfare card has been withdrawn and the problem drinkers have their cash back, I wonder how the wives are going putting food on the table. ? ? ? ?Maybe a complete ban on alcohol in the troubled areas would have an effect, but then the grog floggers would object so that rules that out.
I'm afraid is a case of "woke over wisdom". Some are so concerned about "stigmatising vulnerable people" , a good idea has to be junked.I think the grog floggers will be having a beano, now the welfare card has been withdrawn and the problem drinkers have their cash back, I wonder how the wives are going putting food on the table. ? ? ? ?
What a brain fart, hopefully they have a good think about it IMO.
Helping people who can't manage money, by giving them the tools to do so, isn't demeaning them, it is actually helping them.I'm afraid is a case of "woke over wisdom". Some are so concerned about "stigmatising vulnerable people" , a good idea has to be junked.
Yes, we know that, but the ultra Left are just concerned with appearances.Helping people who can't manage money, by giving them the tools to do so, isn't demeaning them, it is actually helping them.
Forcing them to have to manage their money, their addictions and the family stress issues, without giving them the budgetary tools is terrible IMO, it is setting them up to fail.
My view is it was a classic example of something that wasn't a bad idea as a concept but went too far, turning it into one.Maybe the bigger question is, was the welfare card actually doing the right thing?
My view is it was a classic example of something that wasn't a bad idea as a concept but went too far, turning it into one.
Restricting the purchase of alcohol is a good idea yes, no problem there.
Limiting what shops someone can purchase food at, and stopping them buying car parts or a second hand computer, is going way too far. That's ruining their life, it's keeping them on welfare not helping them get back on their feet.
The concept had merit but the implementation was terrible. Even worse when it didn't work and left people unable to pay for food etc as per numerous reports.
How many people did you know, on the welfare card?My view is it was a classic example of something that wasn't a bad idea as a concept but went too far, turning it into one.
Restricting the purchase of alcohol is a good idea yes, no problem there.
Limiting what shops someone can purchase food at, and stopping them buying car parts or a second hand computer, is going way too far. That's ruining their life, it's keeping them on welfare not helping them get back on their feet.
The concept had merit but the implementation was terrible. Even worse when it didn't work and left people unable to pay for food etc as per numerous reports.
Like everything gummint does.The concept had merit but the implementation was terrible.
Personally none.How many people did you know, on the welfare card?
I know a few who were on it and for most it helped them manage their affairs, some no matter what you do they will find a way to circumvent it,Personally none.
I have however looked into it some time ago when the fuss was made, assuming the government's own information about how it works to be correct and suffice to say that rings alarm bells.
Blocking purchases of alcohol or gambling sure, I'm fine with that.
Saying that someone can't buy anything from Catch, Costco, Dick Smith / Kogan, Ebay, Grays Online, My Deal, anyone requiring Paypal as a method of payment or Sportsco is however going quite a bit further than just stopping them getting drunk or gambling the money away.
None of those are primarily in the business of selling alcohol, tobacco or gambling but all are specifically listed as Blocked Merchants.
The odd one is Australia Post. Payments to other merchants (eg utility bills) made via AP are permitted but Australia Post itself is listed as a Blocked Merchant. Hmm.....
I'm not opposed to the concept of restricting access to alcohol, gambling etc but the detail needs more work in my view. Buying a bulk pack of groceries from Costco and a cheap TV from Kogan ought not be a crime indeed for someone on a low income that's a plausibly sensible choice.
I know a few who were on it and for most it helped them manage their affairs, some no matter what you do they will find a way to circumvent it,
The card worked in Kununurra, Broome and Perth. I will find out exactly, if it didn't work in Coles, the other's I can understand it would be difficult to administer a block on internet purchases.
But my guess would be, the exceptions were highlighted and made out to be the norm, to overturn something that may well have helped the individual, but may have hurt the bottom line of booze and drug suppliers.
Wouldn't the better question be "why was Betta electrical blocked' ?If you read the link that Smurf provided, it gives a list of 'blocked merchants'.
One that caught my eye was Betta Electrical. They may sell high end tv's but they also sell things like washing machines and if someone needs a washing machine and has saved up for it, why shouldn't they be allowed to buy one ?
So as Smurf said, in principle it's a good idea, it just needs a bit bettamanagement.
Wouldn't the question "why was Betta electrical blocked' be a better question, there are some NDIS support providers who will no doubt be blocked,
WHY is the provider blocked, not why is someone not allowed to buy a washing machine, I'm sure they are allowed to buy a washing machine.
These are the sort of questions the MSM reporters should be asking, but they are too busy taking the political angle.Wouldn't the question "why was Betta electrical blocked' be a better question.
There are some NDIS support providers, who will no doubt be blocked, does that mean people on NDIS can't get service?
WHY is the provider blocked, not why is someone not allowed to buy a washing machine, I'm sure they are allowed to buy a washing machine.
That is exactly my point, the way it is presented, is the issue, not the process.
I don't know and even if I did I wouldn't dare put it in writing, but I thought I gave a good explanation as to why some NDIS providers are in the cross hairs to be blocked and they don't sell booze or poker machines either.?Can you think of a reason why Betta should be blocked ? Do they sell booze or Poker machines ?
Yes I guess that is possible. Not much money to be made from welfare recipients, higher risk ?Another possibility could be, maybe Betta didn't want to deal with the Govt red tape and or payment system, so wouldn't accept a welfare card?.
I didn't say that, I don't think they would be higher risk using a welfare card, as the Government pay it. Now they haven't got a welfare card the issue may arise.Yes I guess that is possible. Not much money to be made from welfare recipients, higher risk ?
That's the problem I have, it has been stopped on ideological grounds, but those who most need help controlling their spending are now responsible for their own budgeting again and have to decide whether to pay the rent, buy food, or buy grog, gamble or buy drugs.Anyway, the overall scheme is good , it's being discontinued for political reasons without any attempt to make it better imo.
Just saw this article, maybe, just maybe, the penny is dropping and Albo stops letting off the biggest brain fart that would bite him on the ar$e IMO.Anyway, the overall scheme is good , it's being discontinued for political reasons without any attempt to make it better imo.
" because we know that the best solutions come from local communities themselves,"Just saw this article, maybe, just maybe, the penny is dropping and Albo stops letting off the biggest brain fart that would bite him on the ar$e IMO.
Jeez I hope he re thinks it.?
After Alice alcohol clampdown, NT to get tougher cash restrictions
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says complete alcohol bans an option for at-risk communities.www.smh.com.au
Northern Territory residents could be subject to tougher spending restrictions when the cashless debit card used to control their spending winds up in March.
Labor promised throughout last year’s election to abolish the cashless debit card, an income management tool that quarantines between 30 per cent and 80 per cent of welfare payments, and prevents it being withdrawn as cash or used to pay for alcohol or gambling.
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