Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[Julia]

Again, with the exception of the Legal Aid aspect, the argument carries only limited weight:
Pensioners have the same access to medical, psychological, optical, etc. resources.
The Charities don't discriminate whether those seeking a free meal are Australian Nationals or refugees.
Similarly, needy Australians are just as entitled to Public Housing as other homeless people.

Yeah, right. Go and ask a few homeless and pensioner folk, pixel and let them tell you how much access they have to eg legal aid.

 

[startrader]

Again, with the exception of the Legal Aid aspect, the argument carries only limited weight:
Pensioners have the same access to medical, psychological, optical, etc. resources.
The Charities don't discriminate whether those seeking a free meal are Australian Nationals or refugees.
Similarly, needy Australians are just as entitled to Public Housing as other homeless people.
...

All that on top of our commitments to fund and support UN camps and facilities, from where we could provide asylum for many more genuine refugees.

Pensioners do not have the same access to medical, psychological, optical etc. resources.
Asylum seekers receive FREE doctor's visits, FREE dental care, FREE pharmaceuticals and FREE education.

 

[Julia]

Yeah, right. Go and ask a few homeless and pensioner folk, pixel and let them tell you how much access they have to eg legal aid.

Sorry, pixel, I missed your exception to legal aid.
Agree with Startrader, though.
There has also been the suggestion that asylum seekers have their phone bills paid, many in the thousands of dollars with calls back to Afghanistan etc. I don't know whether this is true.

Overriding all of the detail is the concern shown for these people in terms of their psychological and physical welfare by psychiatrists and refugee advocates et al, in contrast to these needs in our own disadvantaged and unemployed, often homeless people

 

[pixel]

I don't know whether this is true.

Thanks Julia,

that was the main point of my reply: There is so much misinformation being spread. By refugee advocates and lawyers. By strict opponents of the open borders policy.
I try to keep a balanced view and to understand the arguments of both sides.

BUT that doesn't prevent me from arguing my own opinion. Which includes -

• I hate being held to ransom: "Take us in or else..."
• I am opposed to queue jumping. The boat people may not be as comfortable in Indonesia as they hope to be in Australia, but if they've fled war and persecution in their home country, that thread no longer exists in Indonesia. Especially if they can afford the boat fare for themselves.
• I can understand that a Billion people wish for a better life in places like Australia; but there are already Millions here, who are even worse off than many of them.
• I object to provision of "free everything" if people are able to fend for themselves.
• Most of all, I object to using the concept of Multiculturalism as an excuse for not integrating, placing one's own claimed superior "Cultural Heritage" above Australian law and customs. The touchstone of "Good Character" should be applied to ALL newcomers - especially in cases of rioting and lying.
• Accepting excess population from overcrowded regions is no solution; birth control is. But I also see that's impossible to achieve, given the attitude of religious leaders and do-gooders all over the world.

 

[Julia]

I completely agree with all your comments above, pixel.

 

[noco]

Mr Kevin Chaos has failed again with his on the run boat people polices and even has doubts himself that it will work.

Anither faliure for Kevin Rudd.

I will give him a "D". That is "D" for DUNCE.

Thank gawd we now know when the election will be. Yes 7th September after his world strut at the G20 meeting.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/refugee-fix-a-shamble/story-fni0ffsx-1226690721248

 

[sails]

If Rudd plans to keep to his promise of no boat arrivals without a visa will be settled in Australia, then why is he building 2 new large detention centres in Australia? Was his statement and all the millions spent on full page ads all an outright lie?

 

[dutchie]

Rudds plan for settlements in PNG and Nauru is all bluff.

The people smugglers know this and will act accordingly.

No one will settle in PNG let alone Nauru.

As Julia Gillard said "another boat, another policy failure".

Again.

 

[sails]

Rudds plan for settlements in PNG and Nauru is all bluff.

The people smugglers know this and will act accordingly.

No one will settle in PNG let alone Nauru.

As Julia Gillard said "another boat, another policy failure".

Again.

Nauru is saying "no" to resettlement. They will only take people in transit. How many more lies has Rudd told? Is this why he is building large detention centres at a cost of $140 million. Perhaps he intends to fly them back here quietly from Manus and Nauru.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, in a joint press conference with the president of the Republic of Nauru, Baron Waqa, on Saturday, said that people found to have a genuine refugee claim would "have the opportunity to settle and reside on Nauru".

But a spokeswoman for Nauru has told Fairfax Media that none of the asylum seekers would get citizenship or be considered permanent residents.

"These people are coming here and they will be staying here and in transit," Nauru's official spokeswoman, Joanna Olsen, told Fairfax Media.

"It is not permanent settlement. It is considered long-term stay. It is still temporary in the government's view and they will eventually be moved on."

Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...ont-be-permanent/story-fni0xqi4-1226691157918


And more here: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...esettle_refugees_in_nauru_nauru_says_he_wont/

 

[noco]

Rudds plan for settlements in PNG and Nauru is all bluff.

The people smugglers know this and will act accordingly.

No one will settle in PNG let alone Nauru.

As Julia Gillard said "another boat, another policy failure".

Again.

He thought he could HOOD WINK the people smugglers like he tried with he the Australian public.

 

[drsmith]

What devil lies in the detail of Levin Rudd's asylum deal with PNG ?

Julie Bishop on Lateline last night,

JULIE BISHOP: But this agreement with PNG has opened up a whole new front. There's a clause 19 that says Australia may well be exposed to a whole new front of activity because we will be asked and could be asked to support people who are coming directly and illegally into PNG. Now there's a 760-kilometre border between Indonesia and Papua New Guinea. There are already about 10,000 West Papuans and others that have come into PNG and are living there illegally. And this ...

TONY JONES: Alright, we'll get to the nub of that. Are you actually saying that Australia will be responsible under this clause for West Papuan refugees going across the border into Papua New Guinea?

JULIE BISHOP: This agreement exposes Australia to a potential whole new commitment to support people not coming by boat, but people who have come directly and illegally into Papua New Guinea. Now that wasn't part of Kevin Rudd's announcement. We've only seen it in the detail of the document.

TONY JONES: You're not saying Iranians, Afghans and others will come via West Papua to Indonesia - to Papua New Guinea?

JULIE BISHOP: Well, Tony, I have no idea how the people smugglers will turn this into a new channel, but the point is there's now a clause in this agreement that says Australia may be asked to support those who have come directly and illegally into PNG. We already know there are about 10,000 people there. Are the Australian taxpayers going to foot the bill for them as well? This is what we need to know.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3820639.htm

 

[Calliope]

Perhaps we should be thinking about our own socially disadvantaged people before spending billions to settle illegal immigrants. We should hang our heads in shame.

[video]http://video.theaustralian.com.au/2399698489/Social-disadvantage-in-Australia[/video]

 

[drsmith]

No boat arrival announcements on Jason Clare's Home Affairs site since Monday, but at Christmas Island they are still coming in.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/

 

[noco]

The boats had slowed for one day and Tony Bourke claims Labor's PNG solution is working.

But then he is not really too sure because the weather has been adverse resulting in a delay but nevertheless there is still one boat a day still on the high seas heading to Christmas Island and risking life and limb.

Some 1800 have arrived since Rudd's PNG announcement. I would like to know where will all these new arrivals end up and why is Rudd building two new detention centres in Australia.



http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/.../comments/boats_slowed_but_only_to_one_a_day/

 

[drsmith]

No boat arrival announcements on Jason Calre's Home Affairs site since Aug 04.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...cause-the-rudd-has-stopped-them.html#comments

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...boat_people_now_sail_from_png_rudds_solution/

 

[Country Lad]

No boat arrival announcements on Jason Calre's Home Affairs site since Aug 04.

What, no mention of the new route of Christmas Is to Manus Is to Thursday Is? No, I expect the govt would not want to acknowledge that.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...north-queensland/story-fnho52jp-1226695154867

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2013/08/12/246538_local-news.html

Cheers
Country Lad

 

[Calliope]

What, no mention of the new route of Christmas Is to Manus Is to Thursday Is? No, I expect the govt would not want to acknowledge that.

I'm pretty sure Rudd would not be concerned about this development. He knows that in less than four weeks it will not be his problem. Far better to leave a mess than a solution.

 

[noco]

I'm pretty sure Rudd would not be concerned about this development. He knows that in less than four weeks it will not be his problem. Far better to leave a mess than a solution.

I think Rudd takes his problem to bed at night and wakes up with the solution in hand.

 

[drsmith]

Some numbers from the Fairfax press,

In the 24 days since Mr Rudd entered into a deal with Mr O'Neill to send asylum-seekers to PNG, 2305 asylum-seekers have arrived on 33 boats, calculations show.

The media reported about 1200 arrivals in the first week of the with Mr O'Neill so that leaves about 1100 over the subsequent 17 days at an average of about 450 per week. That's still a rate of over 20000 per year or more than we received in all of 2012.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...is-claiming-20130812-2rsi3.html#ixzz2bnVNC4Vs

They keep coming, but Jason Clare's Home Affairs site is still silent on the most recent boat arrivals.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...the-usual-welcoming-committee-is-assembl.html

 

[Julia]

What, no mention of the new route of Christmas Is to Manus Is to Thursday Is? No, I expect the govt would not want to acknowledge that.

Mr Burke is quite unworried about this. He assures Australians that it's just fanciful to imagine this will become an entrenched route. Why not? Because the outcome will be the same, ie they will end up on Nauru or Manus.
Meantime, apparently rebuilding of the burned buildings on Nauru is already under way. Might have been an idea to continue with just tents - much cheaper to replace when they get burned.