Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[noco]

My wife and I have a friend who wants to sponsor a 36 year old white girl from Ghana in West Africa to study Aged Care Nursing.

It is a two year course and she has all of her documentation certified to meet all the requirements.

He is prepaid to pay the cost her study fees, air fare, her visa and to billet her during her stay in Australia.

However, this stupid Green/Labor Government insists she must prove she has the ability and the resources to the tune of $18,610 per annum ($37,220) to keep herself while living in Australia together with the cost of the tuition fees, airfares, study visa.

Total cost $66,010 of which she must prove to the Australian Immigration Department that she has in her bank account Accra Ghana before givng her approval for a study visa.

I have never heard of such stupidity in my whole life and then you learn of these Muslim twits arriving on our shores every day without documentation.

 

[noco]

My wife and I have a friend who wants to sponsor a 36 year old white girl from Ghana in West Africa to study Aged Care Nursing.

It is a two year course and she has all of her documentation certified to meet all the requirements.

He is prepaid to pay the cost her study fees, air fare, her visa and to billet her during her stay in Australia.

However, this stupid Green/Labor Government insists she must prove she has the ability and the resources to the tune of $18,610 per annum ($37,220) to keep herself while living in Australia together with the cost of the tuition fees, airfares, study visa.

Total cost $66,010 of which she must prove to the Australian Immigration Department that she has in her bank account Accra Ghana before givng her approval for a study visa.

I have never heard of such stupidity in my whole life and then you learn of these Muslim twits arriving on our shores every day without documentation.

My apology for the duplication as I thought I lost the first one completely, then it some how reappeared.

 

[DB008]

My wife and I have a friend who wants to sponsor a 36 year old white girl from Ghana in West Africa to study Aged Care Nursing.

It is a two year course and she has all of her documentation certified to meet all the requirements.

He is prepaid to pay the cost her study fees, air fare, her visa and to billet her during her stay in Australia.

However, this stupid Green/Labor Government insists she must prove she has the ability and the resources to the tune of $18,610 per annum ($37,220) to keep herself while living in Australia together with the cost of the tuition fees, airfares, study visa.

Total cost $66,010 of which she must prove to the Australian Immigration Department that she has in her bank account Accra Ghana before givng her approval for a study visa.

I have never heard of such stupidity in my whole life and then you learn of these Muslim twits arriving on our shores every day without documentation.

Not unusual.
Have heard of similar stories first hand. Couple from Switzerland denied entry to Australia. I now tell people, want to come to Australia, fly to Bali and hop on a boat.

 

[Julia]

If they were classed as permanent residents or eligible for citizenship, then they would become eligible for social security and medicare.

Doesn't Australia have a reciprocal agreement re health care with England, as we do with New Zealand?
Wouldn't Country Lad's friends be entitled to this here?

Ditto couldn't they use their UK Driver's Licence here?

It is more the insecurity that has driven these retirement visa people to relocate to other countries or returning to their original homeland. Many of the problems these people encounter could be solved by the conditions of the visa being such that it will be automatically renewed if the original conditions are still being met.

That sounds perfectly reasonable.
I'm really surprised that your friends should find themselves in such an uncertain and vulnerable position.
Absolutely don't understand why it should be so, though I've met many people from South Africa and Zimbabwe who are also very well off, but have been unable to get residency here.

Yet we seem to have no limit on admission for those who can't speak English, have no interest in assimilating into Australia and quite possibly will be a drain on the welfare purse for much of their lives.

It's an issue on which I would like to hear the Coalition's policy .

 

[drsmith]

Michael Smith got hold of a list of current immigration department contracts with a value of $100,000 or more.

http://michaelsmithnews.typepad.com/files/immigration-department-contracts.pdf

It's a very long list and the total value at the bottom is over $8bn.

 

[McLovin]

Doesn't Australia have a reciprocal agreement re health care with England, as we do with New Zealand?
Wouldn't Country Lad's friends be entitled to this here?

My understanding is that the reciprocal health agreement only works for immediate/emergency care. When I lived in the UK I had to visit a doctor and would have been charged if I didn't have a National Insurance number, even though I am a British citizen. Seeing a dr in the UK is major PITA, you actually have to register with them before you can make an appointment.

The Australian Government has signed Reciprocal Health Care Agreements with the governments of the Republic of Ireland and New Zealand which entitles you to limited subsidised health services for medically necessary treatment while visiting Australia.

Medical services not covered by Medicare

Medicare will not cover:

medicines not subsidised under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme
dental work and allied health services
treatment arranged before your visit to Australia
accommodation and medical treatment in a private hospital
accommodation and medical treatment as a private patient in a public hospital.

Ditto couldn't they use their UK Driver's Licence here?

You can't live in Australia and use a foreign license.

 

[sails]

Michael Smith got hold of a list of current immigration department contracts with a value of $100,000 or more.

http://michaelsmithnews.typepad.com/files/immigration-department-contracts.pdf

It's a very long list and the total value at the bottom is over $8bn.

Look at this page (from that link) - here is nearly $750 million to "increase clients independence, economic and personal well being and community connectedness for all eligible entrants tin Melton-Wyndham an Western Melbourne."

Why are they called "clients" and not "Recipients"???

$750 million is about the pittance the government wants to save over FOUR years by having kids as young as eight being latch key kids with their only parent being forced out to work or the alternative is to live in greater poverty. In fact, centrelink now require single parents of children as young as six to be reporting every three months and want them in study or work. I know because my sick daughter's youngest is now six and we now have the added issue of getting medical certificates and sitting in centrelink waiting for appointments (this week it was a two hour wait with my daughter very nauseous and something was wrong with the air-conditioning as it was terribly stuffy in there).

Why tax payer's money is now being funnelled off to provide welfare to people who have never contributed anything to this country while removing it from our own is unbelievable.

And that is only one of 96 pages of expenses with a value of $100,000 or more....

 

[chops_a_must]

I'd take an immigrant on welfare over an australian born on welfare any day of the week.

At least I'd know that they or their children are likely to contribute more to society over the course of their lives.

Hence, immigrant children are smashing the scholarshipsand education results. In Darwin, the refo kids are blitzing it. And within a year or two have better literacy and numeracy skills than most territory born kids.

 

[Julia]

My understanding is that the reciprocal health agreement only works for immediate/emergency care.

Such as if you have an accident or become ill while travelling, I suppose.
It seems very unfair to me that people who passing through get a better deal than someone who is living here and spending on an ongoing basis.

You can't live in Australia and use a foreign license.

Again, you can use a foreign licence if here temporarily, so further disadvantage for someone making an ongoing contribution. No wonder they're disenchanted.

 

[McLovin]

Such as if you have an accident or become ill while travelling, I suppose.
It seems very unfair to me that people who passing through get a better deal than someone who is living here and spending on an ongoing basis.

It's probably a legacy thing that was designed before travel insurance was widespread. The cost of providing ongoing healthcare to someone over 65 is not really something any government wants if it can be avoided. A temporary resident can by definition leave at any time, while an PR/citizen is generally considered to be more "settled". Otherwise where is the line to be drawn? Someone here on a sponsored visa is a temporary resident, should they receive full healthcare the moment they get off the plane? There's quite a big issue with Kiwis not being aware that they are not covered until they have permanant residency in Australia.

Again, you can use a foreign licence if here temporarily, so further disadvantage for someone making an ongoing contribution. No wonder they're disenchanted.

This is a standard law in almost every country. I'd love to cruise around with my old UK license, go through a speed camera and no demerit points lost and likely I'd never have to pay either the bill would turn up at my old address in the UK.

 

[DB008]

My understanding is that the reciprocal health agreement only works for immediate/emergency care. When I lived in the UK I had to visit a doctor and would have been charged if I didn't have a National Insurance number, even though I am a British citizen. Seeing a dr in the UK is major PITA, you actually have to register with them before you can make an appointment.

I worked in London for 1 year in 2005/2006, using a EU Passport.

Had a ingrown toe-nail removed while there. Literally just called up my local doctors and had it cut out a few days later. Didn't pay a cent. I was surprised. Also, paid a lot less tax.

 

[drsmith]

I'd take an immigrant on welfare over an australian born on welfare any day of the week.

At least I'd know that they or their children are likely to contribute more to society over the course of their lives.

Hence, immigrant children are smashing the scholarshipsand education results. In Darwin, the refo kids are blitzing it. And within a year or two have better literacy and numeracy skills than most territory born kids.

The fundamental argument is I think was about helping our own citizens before helping others. There's also the questions of how such a large expenditure on the budget influences our taxes and the disorderly nature of arrivals.

 

[chops_a_must]

The fundamental argument is I think was about helping our own citizens before helping others. There's also the questions of how such a large expenditure on the budget influences our taxes and the disorderly nature of arrivals.

So what is it we do and how effective is it?

 

[drsmith]

Stop the boats.

 

[Macquack]

I'd take an immigrant on welfare over an australian born on welfare any day of the week.

What is your point here, are you suggesting a clean swap, one refugee in exchange for one Australian born welfare recipient?

At least I'd know that they or their children are likely to contribute more to society over the course of their lives.

Hence, immigrant children are smashing the scholarshipsand education results. In Darwin, the refo kids are blitzing it. And within a year or two have better literacy and numeracy skills than most territory born kids.

Using your above example, the "average Australian" could see Asylum seekers as a possible threat to their easy going lifestyle.

 

[IFocus]

Scott Morrison bungle what a fool

On Thursday, the storm over opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison's call for asylum seekers living in the community to be monitored by police and conform to ''behaviour protocols'' entered its second day.

Few asylum seekers charged with crime

Asylum seekers living in the community on bridging visas are about 45 times less likely to be charged with a crime than members of the general public.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...-with-crime-20130228-2f98h.html#ixzz2MHSi8pKr

 

[Calliope]

Few asylum seekers charged with crime

They are a protected species.

 

[Julia]

If you're referring to the potential of a child born into a multi-generational welfare dependent family, then yes, I agree.

But plenty of hard working people with a good work ethic can be temporarily on a government benefit so it's pretty unfair to apply such a generalisation.

 

[IFocus]

Scott Morrison bungle what a fool



Few asylum seekers charged with crime



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...-with-crime-20130228-2f98h.html#ixzz2MHSi8pKr

Abbott our future PM claims Morrison is doing a magnificent job at what........grubby politics.

Facts flee as politicians take low road on asylum

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...d-on-asylum-20130301-2fbjb.html#ixzz2MKU0agg5

 

[drsmith]

Abbott our future PM claims Morrison is doing a magnificent job at what........

Talking to yourself now IF ?

Once in government, the Coalition will do a far batter job on managing our borders than the chaos that has evolved under Labor.

For now, the Coalition is just rubbing the government's nose in its own mess.