Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[sails]

One policy Abbott will likely revive is the Pacific Solution:

Source: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/labor/

 

[noco]

Cory Bernadi hits the nail on the head with the Malaysin versus the Nauru solution.

Gillard and Bowen have lost all credibility with their negotiations with Malaysia. They must be the laughing stock around the world.

Is it any wonder Kevin Rudd is keeping clear of the deal!!!!!!


http://www.corybernardi.com/2011/06...m_campaign=Feed:+CoryBernardi+(Cory+Bernardi)

 

[sails]

Below is the beginning of the green light that has got labor into such a major mess:

 

[sails]

Here's a new development for children in detention:

A PLANELOAD of unaccompanied children has been dumped at the Port Augusta refugee camp as pressure mounts on the Gillard government over its Malaysian refugee swap deal.

From the Telegraph by Geoff Chambers and Bryan Littlely:
Asylum seeker children dumped in camp at Port Augusta

The article also discusses tags to protect asylum seekers from harsh punishment, including caning whilst in Malasia. However, it appears that a tagged system was tried once before in 2004 and failed.

Can this government get anything right? How they can continue to bungle a system that worked so well under the Pacific Solution is beyond me.

 

[drsmith]

Can this government get anything right? How they can continue to bungle a system that worked so well under the Pacific Solution is beyond me.

I can just see the product garantee from People Smuggler Inc.

One free cruise to Australia for each identity tag.

 

[Julia]

From the Telegraph article:

man rights groups warn Malaysia's 90,000 refugees could stage mass revolts over plans to give the asylum seekers special treatment.

This is a good point which underscores Malaysia's unwillingness to have any special conditions attach to the asylum seekers from here.

Btw, I've been assuming that the 800 to be sent to Malaysia will be just the first lot and that if the boats keep coming then the same deal will be repeated. Perhaps I'm wrong, and this is a one-off? Does someone know?

If it's one-off, and does not act as a deterrent to future asylum seekers, what's the government's plan then?

Perhaps they're pinning all their hopes on the harsh conditions in Malaysia ensuring no one in future will risk being sent there? Seems a bit optimistic to me.

 

[bellenuit]

Btw, I've been assuming that the 800 to be sent to Malaysia will be just the first lot and that if the boats keep coming then the same deal will be repeated. Perhaps I'm wrong, and this is a one-off? Does someone know?

You are correct. A few Labor spokespeople have said that more of these deals could be struck with Malaysia and maybe some other countries. I don't have sources, but just what I have heard in interviews over the past week.

 

[sails]

You are correct. A few Labor spokespeople have said that more of these deals could be struck with Malaysia and maybe some other countries. I don't have sources, but just what I have heard in interviews over the past week.

And I've also heard that Malaysia can pick and choose which of our 800 they take in the first place...

Whatever the deal, it's a lousy one for Australia. We have to apparently pay to accomodate the 800 they take plus pay to get the 4000 over here.

Gillard must have been desperate to strike such an unfair deal. It makes me wonder just how desperate was she to become PM and was the pork barelling much worse than we know. I thought she was a good negotiator, but it looks like she tends to be the most desperate and that's not good when she's using tax payer funds and is going against public opinion in much of her policies.

 

[Julia]

And I've also heard that Malaysia can pick and choose which of our 800 they take in the first place...

Whatever the deal, it's a lousy one for Australia. We have to apparently pay to accomodate the 800 they take plus pay to get the 4000 over here.

Gillard must have been desperate to strike such an unfair deal. It makes me wonder just how desperate was she to become PM and was the pork barelling much worse than we know. I thought she was a good negotiator, but it looks like she tends to be the most desperate and that's not good when she's using tax payer funds and is going against public opinion in much of her policies.

Agree, Sails. However, I'd be surprised if this deal is not being done in the belief that when potential asylum seekers understand they will not be admitted to Australia but will end up in Malaysia with its abysmal record on human rights, then the people smugglers will lose the capacity to sell "a passage to Australia".

If that's the case, then I suppose the government considers the costs involved in what they hope will be a one-off deal with Malaysia will be money well spent.
I'd have to agree with them if it does actually happen that way.

 

[noco]

Will Malaysia be happy to relieve Australia of the current 100 + trouble makers on Christmas Island?

I would like to know what will happen after Malaysia receive their quota of 800 asylum seekers. Will the people smugglers come back into business again or will Australia expect Malayasia to take another 800.

As I understand the deal is we take back 4000 over a period of 4 years.



http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...ments/will_malaysia_take_these_off_our_hands/

 

[drsmith]

Will Malaysia be happy to relieve Australia of the current 100 + trouble makers on Christmas Island?

They make that kind of trouble over there, I'd suggest Malaysia will sort them out with the rattan, identity tags or not.

 

[drsmith]

It will be interesting to see what gets announced next week, if anything.

KUALA LUMPUR: No decision has been made yet in granting immunity to 800 boat people that Australia plans to send to Malaysia.
Home Ministry secretary-general Datuk Seri Mahmood Adam said the committee set up by the ministry is still studying details of the arrangement.

"The committee, chaired by deputy secretary-general Datuk Raja Azahar Raja Abdul Manap is still studying the matter.


"The details have yet to be ironed out. The ministry has not finalised any arrangement," he said when contacted by the New Straits Times, here.

http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/3tmb/Article#ixzz1OxccREK6

 

[sails]

Full story from Bolt's blog today: Malaysia isn’t quite so sure

The way Malaysia’s New Straits Times reports it, the Gillard Government’s boat people deal is far from being signed, after all:

 

[noco]

Nuaru is ready to sign the UNHCR refugee convention. So what will Gillard's excuse be now?


http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=625050&vId=2481311

 

[sails]

Malysia is a no go now since the greens joined with the coalition to block it passing the house of reps - article below from the Australian by Lanai Vasek:

Labor defeated as parliament condemns Malaysia solution

THE Gillard government has suffered an embarrassing defeat in parliament, with the Greens and the Coalition combining to pass a motion opposing its Malaysian refugee swap deal....

and

...The vote followed a similar resolution in the Senate last month, making it the first time in living memory both houses of parliament have condemned a government policy.

(Bolds are mine).

Gillard must be fuming. It gives her another "first" to chalk up in addition to being the first unelected (by the people) female PM.

 

[drsmith]

Malysia is a no go now since the greens joined with the coalition to block it passing the house of reps - article below from the Australian by Lanai Vasek:

Labor defeated as parliament condemns Malaysia solution

I don't think the government needs majority parlimantary support for this.

Of interest, Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott suppoerted the Government in the initial vote although that was not enough to give the Government a majority.

Of even greater interest is this,

The Coalition later tried to capitalise on the government's tactical defeat , seeking to suspend question time to censure the Prime Minister.

"Shame on you for defying parliament,'' Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said.

But the motion was defeated after he failed to get a required 76 vote absolute majority.

Mr Bandt sided with the government in the vote, despite the government's intention to ignore his own motion.

Adam Bandt's initial vote against the government was clearly tokenistic.

The Greens must be still confident of getting their carbon tax.

 

[IFocus]

Its wonderful the greens and coalition holding hands for the sake of humanity...............

 

[noco]

Its wonderful the greens and coalition holding hands for the sake of humanity...............

That could be a big worry because the Greens hands could be cold and slimey.

 

[sails]

That could be a big worry because the Greens hands could be cold and slimey.

don't worry, noco. I don't think the greens and coalition will agree on what will happen to the boat arrivals if Malaysia gets ruled out.

 

[drsmith]

Its wonderful the greens and coalition holding hands for the sake of humanity...............

It will only be a short handshake, unlike Labor, who are somewhat restrained by the Greens in their current bend-over posture.