Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[banco]

The main difference is that Malaysia was to be a one option regional processing solution whereas Cambodia is a post-processing resettlement location and is part of a much broader and clearly effective strategy.
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Main difference for you is that one was proposed by your team and the other wasn't.

 

[drsmith]

Main difference for you is that one was proposed by your team and the other wasn't.

Your response doesn't address the specific point I've made.

I know its hard for some to accept but my team (as you've put it) is doing a far better job of managing our border security than the previous team did when they were in office.

 

[SirRumpole]

I know its hard for some to accept but my team (as you've put it) is doing a far better job of managing our border security than the previous team did when they were in office.

Agreed, they have.

When it comes to Cambodia though, that option is about as low as anyone can go in the humanity stakes, giving people the option of a corrupt and violent country versus a corrupt and bankrupt rock in the middle of the ocean.

Yeah, great choice, but entirely voluntary of course. Voluntary my backside.

 

[drsmith]

When it comes to Cambodia though, that option is about as low as anyone can go in the humanity stakes, giving people the option of a corrupt and violent country versus a corrupt and bankrupt rock in the middle of the ocean.

Try the bottom of the ocean.

That's where over 1,000 finished up under the humanity of the previous government.

 

[SirRumpole]

Try the bottom of the ocean.

That's where over 1,000 finished up under the humanity of the previous government.

Sure, and the Labor government sunk them with submarines

 

[drsmith]

Sure, and the Labor government sunk them with submarines

The stats are outlined in the following link.

http://sievx.com/articles/background/DrowningsTable.pdf

The tally during the time of the Rudd and Gillard governments is over 1,100 and it can be argued that the 56 that immediately followed in the early days of the current government were a direct legacy of the policies of the previous government.

 

[noco]

Agreed, they have.

When it comes to Cambodia though, that option is about as low as anyone can go in the humanity stakes, giving people the option of a corrupt and violent country versus a corrupt and bankrupt rock in the middle of the ocean.

Yeah, great choice, but entirely voluntary of course. Voluntary my backside.

Rumpy, I think you may still have the Pol POT regime in mind when you speak about corruption, violence bankrupt rock......I understand the Cambodians have come a long way since Pol Pot.......But one cannot get away from the fact that most 3 rd world countries experience a certain amount of corruption.

At least they a signatory to the UNHCR where Malaysia were not......I also believe the Cambodian Government will do well out of the aid given by Australia as inducement to resettle those who wish to go to Cambodia of their all volition.

The Labor proposal with Malaysia to swap 800 for 4000 without choice WAS a dumb deal IMHO.

 

[bunyip]

Feel free to post your support for this government and their policies but the personal attacks are as unwelcome as they are a fools basis for discussion as well as being against the rules set by the forum.

The rules of the forum are set by Joe not yours or bunyips narrow opinions.

Nobody on this forum expresses opinions as narrow as yours. You make absolutely no effort to make fair and balanced comment....your sole agenda is to shoot the Abbot government down without giving them any credit whatsoever for their worthwhile achievements.
And incidentally, in just 12 months in office the Abbot government has had far more worthwhile achievements than your Labor mob managed in six years of government.
It’s long overdue that someone pointed out the hypocrisy and lack of credibility in your views. Whether you see it as a personal attack is up to you.

 

[explod]

No one asked to be born. We are supposed to be equal and the world belongs to everybody so we should share. If we did so I feel aggression would soon dissapate.

The tack of the Libs and the ALP in this country today is an absolute disgrace.

 

[bunyip]

No one asked to be born. We are supposed to be equal and the world belongs to everybody so we should share.

And if we were to share our country with everyone who wants to come here, do you have any suggestions on how we could fund the enormous cost involved, given that most of them would be on welfare from day one, and would very likely stay on welfare for many years?
Has it occurred to you that our economy would simply buckle under the strain of supporting all these people?

If we did so I feel aggression would soon dissapate.

Really? I find that very hard to believe, given the race related riots in Sydney a few years back, the Muslim against Muslim violence in Sydney more recently, the Muslims parading down the street with signs saying ‘SHARIA LAW’, and ‘BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM’, the terrorists now rotting in jail who planned on mass murder at our military bases, the young Muslim stabbing two police officers before being shot dead last week. And many more incidents besides.
From my observation, the more middle eastern people we share our country with, the more resentment and aggression we’re subjected to.

 

[drsmith]

No one asked to be born. We are supposed to be equal and the world belongs to everybody so we should share. If we did so I feel aggression would soon dissapate.

The tack of the Libs and the ALP in this country today is an absolute disgrace.

You could practice this lofty ideal and take someone under your wing who has very different social and religious values to our society in general.

Someone like ARASH SEDIGH for example,

ARASH SEDIGH (on asylum seeker boat): They put us in this f**king orange boat and sent us back to Indonesia. And the Navy was escorting that ship until today. ... F**k Australia. ... I said to them, "You are criminals". If later on you said why they do that to America on September 11, you should know the cause of it is your very deeds. Remember 9-11 for United States. All the world should know why. Australian Government, Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison, Immigration - all of them are the smugglers.

MAN (on asylum seeker boat): F**k Australia!

I don't think you'll have to worry about the child senator or the Green movement in general personally jumping the queue for a character of that nature even though it's what they preach our society in general should do.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s3965617.htm

Let us know how it goes.

 

[explod]

Welfare cannot be sustained. There have been farms, (several in South Australia) in almost desert country now very productive food producers by methods of permaculture. I do in my own yard.

We have huge tracts of land across this country that has been destroyed and eaten out by grazing. I fertalise my entire garden with a small worm farm that in turn produces from my vegitable scraps..

This may seem off the point and off topic but we could do such things to our north which would not only become very profitable for our economy but build a natural human barrier of sheer numbers. If we do not equalise then all the deterrants will not stop the floods of people.

I often ask you for ideas, but you libs and ALP seem bereft, we have many others too, its about time we began to build some direction and try approaches outside the square for some possible win win.

 

[explod]

And i would be more than happy to take a difficult one under my wing. Have done it in the past but Geoff Kennett did not like us rehabilitating crooks.

 

[drsmith]

And i would be more than happy to take a difficult one under my wing. Have done it in the past but Geoff Kennett did not like us rehabilitating crooks.

Arash Sedigh and those who share similar views don't see the flow of rehabilitation in the same direction you do.

 

[IFocus]

Nobody on this forum expresses opinions as narrow as yours. You make absolutely no effort to make fair and balanced comment....your sole agenda is to shoot the Abbot government down without giving them any credit whatsoever for their worthwhile achievements.
And incidentally, in just 12 months in office the Abbot government has had far more worthwhile achievements than your Labor mob managed in six years of government.
It’s long overdue that someone pointed out the hypocrisy and lack of credibility in your views. Whether you see it as a personal attack is up to you.

Everyone here knows I think Abbott is a lying egotistical moronic tosser with a long history of form which he has and is.

That's my opinion and I wont be bullied by you or anyone else here who still think they are in a school yard into changing it to what every you personally think.

If you have a contrary argument put the case, note those that cannot personalise the argument or revert to personal attacks.

 

[explod]

Arash Sedigh and those who share similar views don't see the flow of rehabilitation in the same direction you do.

Yes, well instead of all of us presenting as aggressive we should be exploring why? and methods of peaceful solutions.

NOT ONES THAT ARE GOOD FOR THE MANUFACTURERS AND SUPPLIERS OF WEAPONS.

Pollies are pawns.

 

[noco]

Everyone here knows I think Abbott is a lying egotistical moronic tosser with a long history of form which he has and is.

That's my opinion and I wont be bullied by you or anyone else here who still think they are in a school yard into changing it to what every you personally think.

If you have a contrary argument put the case, note those that cannot personalise the argument or revert to personal attacks.

IF I think you are showing some hypocrisy here when you are making such personal attack on our leader.

I think the description you gave Abbott is perhaps more fitting to Julia Gillrad and Rudd or do you have a short memory.

 

[drsmith]

Yes, well instead of all of us presenting as aggressive we should be exploring why? and methods of peaceful solutions.

I wish you the best of luck.

 

[explod]

I wish you the best of luck.

As a young professional I was very much influenced by the extreme patience and tolerance of the Victoria Police in the early 70s, led then by Mick Miller the Chief then. Also Politicians such as Dr Jim Cains and later Bob Brown. All very tolerant and peaceful people.

In the Vietnam Demonstrations we were trained to have constraint, contain and certainly aggression by our members was not tolerated. And it's effect was few arrests or injuries and we did not carry firearms at all.

Having later worked in police research think tanks for some years I do know that the sociological approach of Governments are designed to divide and I do know how and that the situations could be reversed back to a peaceful society.

In those days there were entrenched Aussies who dispised and did not like the Greek and Italian immigrants, but look at how they have enriched our society. The difference was that you had great Government Statespeople, like Menzies, Whitlam, Faser and down the line. It took a bad turn when Thatcherism was introduced and it all became a game of money first, which was of course the purpose of deregulation.

And in the paper today we read that the top companies in this country only pay up to 10 percent tax. So it is the wage earners at the bottom carrying the can. I'd bet the refugees would work their buts off if given the chance.

 

[bunyip]

Everyone here knows I think Abbott is a lying egotistical moronic tosser with a long history of form which he has and is.

That's my opinion and I wont be bullied by you or anyone else here who still think they are in a school yard into changing it to what every you personally think.

If you have a contrary argument put the case, note those that cannot personalise the argument or revert to personal attacks.

I’m not trying to bully you into changing your views - you can hold whatever views you wish and frankly I don’t give a toss.
But when your views are so completely narrow that you have nothing but criticism for someone who in just 12 months in office has already fixed up some of the problems created by the incompetent morons that you voted into power, then I and others are going to tell you, quite rightly, that you’re narrow-minded and you lack credibility.
Neither Abbot nor any other politician is perfect and none of them are above criticism. But you’re a blind fool if you can’t see that he’s had some successes among what your think are his failures.
And if you’re not a blind fool, then start being honest enough to at least acknowledge that some some of the policies he's implemented are good for Australia, and were completely necessary to correct serious mistakes made by Labor.