Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[drsmith]

As the hopes of the Fairfax press fade, they've gotten a little ahead of themselves.

Commission slams transfer at sea as clear rights breach

Date July 4, 2014 37 reading now

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Sarah Whyte, David Wroe, Jason Koutsoukis

Unless I've missed a day, it's only July 3.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/comm...ea-as-clear-rights-breach-20140703-3bbi1.html

Keheliya Rambukwella, Sri Lanka's Media and Information Minister, said a transfer at sea would take place. ''They will be accepted and received by the [Sri Lankan] navy and the normal procedures will take place from there onward,'' he said.

My bolds.

 

[Calliope]

I would have thought the Catholic Bishops have enough problems to sort out in their own dioceses wthout sticking their noses into border protection.

The UNHCR and the Australian Catholic Bishops joined the voices of opposition to the government’s hand-back policy yesterday
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To offer a blanket response that unfairly treats all asylum-seekers as illegal, and returns them to the country from which they have fled, is both immoral and contrary to our international obligations as a signatory to the Refugee Convention,” said Maurizio Pettena, the director of the Australian Catholic Migrant and Refugee Office.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-for-new-zealand/story-fn9hm1gu-1226977131793

 

[drsmith]

The Fairfax press just can't come to terms with the success that been this government's border protection policies.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...s-ghosts-on-the-high-seas-20140704-zsw0g.html

 

[Calliope]

The Fairfax press just can't come to terms with the success that been this government's border prnaval patrols.otection policies.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...s-ghosts-on-the-high-seas-20140704-zsw0g.html

Given that 57 of the people from the fishing trawler had already fled from Sri Lanka to India, Ben Saul says Australia should, at the very least, send them back to India, not to the country of their alleged persecution.

They will have no problem going back to India is they don't like Sri Lanka. These smartarses think that by embarking from India they will avoid Sri Lankan naval patrols. Well they have done their dough.

 

[Calliope]

Rumpy said, off topic, on another thread;

The fact is that Rudd in his dying days as PM announced that no asylum seeker who came here by boat without our permission would be settled in Australia.

I don't know why people are not happy with that. All this military chest beating sovereign border stuff is pure show, something to be different from Labor and designed to appeal to people like you even if it does not achieve anything more than Labor's Manus island policy, but costs a lot more taxpayers money

I am afraid you are wrong Rumpy. What appeals to me and anyone else with any common sense, is that it is much cheaper to intercept illegals at sea and send them back to where they came from, than to let them land here and then send them to Manus or Nauru and house them indefinately.

And don't worry too much about the Tamils. If they don't like Sri Lanka they can always go to India where all their mates are.

 

[noco]

I put you on the right thread.

I'm sorry but Rudd said a lot of stuff. For good or ill I can't imagine a Labor Government going to the lengths that Morrision etc. has been willing to go to. To take but one example the handover of the Sri Lankans to the Sri Lankan navy is almost certainly a breach of Australia's treaty obligations (assuming it goes ahead).

It does not matter who they are or where they come from, they are still jumping the que.

We have a right to send them back and suggest that they go through the correct channels of the UNHCR in a legal and orderly manner....FULL STOP....The government has a quota of immigrants and it should be adhered to....if they want to try the back door and get rejected, then it is their head.

 

[banco]

I put you on the right thread.




It does not matter who they are or where they come from, they are still jumping the que.

We have a right to send them back and suggest that they go through the correct channels of the UNHCR in a legal and orderly manner....FULL STOP....The government has a quota of immigrants and it should be adhered to....if they want to try the back door and get rejected, then it is their head.

Noco I know your knowledge of international law is less than zero and if you want to argue Australia should just say %$$% international law that's one argument but let's not pretend what they are doing isn't illegal under international law. You ever think one of the reasons for the all the secrecy is the Government is terrified of ending up in Court and having to try to argue why this is legal?

 

[noco]

Noco I know your knowledge of international law is less than zero and if you want to argue Australia should just say %$$% international law that's one argument but let's not pretend what they are doing isn't illegal under international law. You ever think one of the reasons for the all the secrecy is the Government is terrified of ending up in Court and having to try to argue why this is legal?

How can you be less than zero?......Did you ever go to school and study maths?......Or perhaps you are too young to go to school...your brain has to be developed before they will let you in.....normally 5 or 6 years of age.

You certainly know how to cherry pick.

 

[SirRumpole]

Rumpy said, off topic, on another thread;



I am afraid you are wrong Rumpy. What appeals to me and anyone else with any common sense, is that it is much cheaper to intercept illegals at sea and send them back to where they came from, than to let them land here and then send them to Manus or Nauru and house them indefinately.

And don't worry too much about the Tamils. If they don't like Sri Lanka they can always go to India where all their mates are.

The refugees are after the benefits of the Australian social security system. They won't get those on Nauru or Manus, so they won't bother coming in the first place. We don't house people on Manus or Nauru indefinitely. If they are found to be genuine refugees they get released and our responsibility for them is ended.

 

[orr]

I urge you all to come and play in the serendipitous and plushly appointed gaming rooms of my newest Crown Casino, here on the lapping shores of the Indian Oceans most peaceful and well administered ex-colonial Island outposts. As any 'correct thinking' government will attest.
Mummy's $500k donation to the the Party now in Government in the lead up to the last election has put a gleaming polish on the steaming bulbous heap, that other Sovereign Incompetent Governments, lets not mention these garrulous self severing self promoting political minnows Canadian and UK, ahh pifflers, refer to as Sri Lanka's human rights record.
For those feeling extra 'lucky', as a courtesy Crown will pick you up in a white van from the airport or any where else .....

J.P aka 'goo horra'

p.s 'kunda-bear gol'

 

[Calliope]

The refugees are after the benefits of the Australian social security system.

Ah. Now we get to the nub of it. Who do you think has to right to decide who gets the benefits of Australia's social security system? The Tamils, the people smugglers or us?

 

[IFocus]

Watching the facts on the ABC insiders this morning David Marr spells out the legal obligations regarding the Tamil boat, if they boarded and removed them outside of our territorial waters then that would be serious.

If any of those Tamils get bumped off by the Sri Lanka's death squads that they have been handed over to then what is it that Australia stands for?

The secrecy that is in place by Abbott is an absolute abhorrence only bad things come from such government practices repeated lies and secrecy what a combination.

 

[noco]

Watching the facts on the ABC insiders this morning David Marr spells out the legal obligations regarding the Tamil boat, if they boarded and removed them outside of our territorial waters then that would be serious.

If any of those Tamils get bumped off by the Sri Lanka's death squads that they have been handed over to then what is it that Australia stands for?

The secrecy that is in place by Abbott is an absolute abhorrence only bad things come from such government practices repeated lies and secrecy what a combination.

And it is driving you lefties insane not knowing what is happening to allow you to get your propaganda machine operating through the ABC...tough luck sunshine.

 

[drsmith]

Kevin Rudd stopped the boats according to David Marr.

 

[SirRumpole]

Ah. Now we get to the nub of it. Who do you think has to right to decide who gets the benefits of Australia's social security system? The Tamils, the people smugglers or us?

Talk about selective reading. I repeat, the refugees don't get access to our social security system on Manus or Nauru.

You should be happy with that, instead your attitude seems to be that the worse we treat these people the better we are as a society. Why not just shoot the bastards eh ? Would that make you happy ?

 

[drsmith]

Talk about selective reading. I repeat, the refugees don't get access to our social security system on Manus or Nauru.

Immigration detention was overwhelmed under the policies of Labor and there's still a significant social security legacy as a consequence of that.

 

[Calliope]

Talk about selective reading.

Selective reading? you said;

The refugees are after the benefits of the Australian social security system.

and I agree with that. It's called sugar on the table.

You should be happy with that, instead your attitude seems to be that the worse we treat these people the better we are as a society. Why not just shoot the bastards eh ? Would that make you happy ?

There's no need to throw a hissy-fit.

 

[drsmith]

And it is driving you lefties insane not knowing what is happening to allow you to get your propaganda machine operating through the ABC...tough luck sunshine.

Another who can't come to terms with the success of the current government's border security policies.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...n-pythonesque-proportions-20140704-zsw9n.html

 

[noco]

Kevin Rudd stopped the boats according to David Marr.

Doc, what else would you expect from David Marr who is a member of the Fabian society.

 

[banco]

How can you be less than zero?......Did you ever go to school and study maths?......Or perhaps you are too young to go to school...your brain has to be developed before they will let you in.....normally 5 or 6 years of age.

You certainly know how to cherry pick.

Hardly cherry picking. Just noting that you have zero idea about Australia's treaty obligations and think Australia can do anything it wants with regards to asylum seekers.