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drsmith said:
Another boat (35 passengers) ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-01/asylum-seeker-boat-intercepted-north-of-darwin/5181346

This one didn't make last week's operational update.
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A possible explanation as to why this one didn't make last week's operational update. :D

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-08/asylum-seekers-on-boats-turned-back-to-indonesia-speak/5191024

Our navy personal should have also confiscated any currency from the crew.

Separately, the East Nusa Tenggara Police spokesman Adj. Sr. Comr. Okto Riwu said that two of the crews that helped the undocumented migrants enter Australia were Indonesians, who had escaped after the local police transferred them as well as other crew and passengers to Kupang, the capital of East Nusa Tenggara.
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http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/01/08/tni-agrees-oz-policy-migrants.html
 
drsmith said:
A possible explanation as to why this one didn't make last week's operational update. :D

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-08/asylum-seekers-on-boats-turned-back-to-indonesia-speak/5191024

Our navy personal should have also confiscated any currency from the crew.



http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/01/08/tni-agrees-oz-policy-migrants.html
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These reports are coming from people who apparently throw their ID overboard in a seeming effort to get welfare. If Aussies did that, they would probably be charged with fraud.

Why would we believe a word these people say?
 
sails said:
These reports are coming from people who apparently throw their ID overboard in a seeming effort to get welfare. If Aussies did that, they would probably be charged with fraud.

Why would we believe a word these people say?
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Our Government believed it for six years. Or it fitted their agenda.
 
This is the stupid entitlement mentality the previous Government has left us with.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/20655701/asylum-seekers-accuse-navy-of-abuse/

Some Australians need a reality check IMO. Why didn't these same refugees stay in Indonesia?

Why don't the Australians, who are so concerned about refugees living standards, worry about their own?
Maybe it is because we live by the, I'm ok stuff you mentality, well I think that will change.
 
Operation Sovereign Borders update Friday January 10:

No boat arrivals in the past week. Total voluntary returns to country of origin from Offshore Processing Centres since OSB commenced on 18 September is unchanged from last week at 133.

http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/OperationalUpdate10January2014.pdf

On the issue of turn backs, The Australian reports that up to 5 boats have either been turned or towed back towards Indonesia in the past month.

Australian Defence Force personnel involved in Operation Sovereign Borders have been warned not to reveal any details of what is happening on the oceans to Australia's north, but The Australian has learned that two asylum-seeker boats were towed to Rote Island, near Indonesian West Timor, while the Indonesian crews of two, and possibly three, other vessels were persuaded to head home without being towed.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...defends-secrecy/story-fn9hm1gu-1226798586538#

In relation to the conflicting signals on turnbacks from the Indonesian government and military, this is perhaps the critical part of Indonesian Military (TNI) commander Gen. Moeldoko clarification today,

Recalling his phone conversation with Australian Defence Force chief Gen. David Hurley two weeks ago, Moeldoko said on Thursday that he had never made a statement that could be used to justify Australia’s policy.

“My statement did not indicate that I agreed [with the policy], but that I understood such tactical moves. And my reasoning was that the UN declaration says that every country has the right to protect its sovereignty. If it were my responsibility, I would have done the same thing. So, that’s the context,” he said.

Moeldoko said that he did not want to get involved in politics over the statement. “I am not talking about foreign policy. I am talking about tactical matters in the field.”
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http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/01/10/tni-chief-denies-backing-oz-policy.html

My bolds.

This week's OSB media briefing I would suggest has been cancelled to minimise the conflict of the above with Indonesian domestic politics. Under the circumstances, it's a good move by the government that has finally planted the foot over Indonesian crewed boats seeking to breach our sovereign territory.

Summary of arrivals since this government was elected:

08/09/2013 to 18/09/2013 (caretaker period prior to swearing in): 475 passengers on 7 boats.
Remainder of the week to Monday 23/09/2013: 31 passengers on 1 boat.
Week to Monday 30/09/2013: 95 passengers on 3 boats.
Remainder of the week to Friday 04/10/2013: 79 passengers on 1 boat.
Week to Friday 11/10/2013: No boats.
Week to Friday 18/10/2013: 173 passengers on 3 boats.
Week to Friday 25/10/2013: 166 passengers on 2 boats.
Week to Friday 1/11/2013: No boats.
Week to Friday 8/11/2013: No boats.
Week to Friday 15/11/2013: 163 passengers on 3 boats.
Week to Friday 22/11/2013: 35 passengers on 1 boat.
Week to Friday 29/11/2013: 9 passengers on 1 boat.
Week to Friday 6/12/2013: 189 passengers on 4 boats.
Week to Friday 13/12/2013: 3 passengers on 1 boat.
Week to Friday 20/12/2013: 167 passengers on 2 boats.
Week to Friday 27/12/2013: No boats.
Week to Friday 03/01/2014: No boats.
Week to Friday 10/01/2014: No boats.

Totals since the commencement of Operation Sovereign Borders:

1110 passengers on 22 boats over 16 weeks.
 
The UNHCR claim we are breaking the rules on asylum seekers who fly to Malayasia, on to Indonesia and attempt to enter Australia without ID's.They are illegal immigrants.

I say to hell with the UNHCR...Give them a month notice and remove any agreement we may have had with them.

As qouted by John Howard, "we will decide who comes to Australia and the manner in which they come".






http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...nternational-law/story-fni0xqrb-1226799572473
 
noco said:
I say to hell with the UNHCR...
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Perhaps the UNHCR should also consider the view of Indonesian Military (TNI) commander Gen. Moeldoko. He would do the same thing.

If the UNHCR got off its ideological high horse, there might actually be less drownings at sea.
 
drsmith said:
Perhaps the UNHCR should also consider the view of Indonesian Military (TNI) commander Gen. Moeldoko. He would do the same thing.

If the UNHCR got off its ideological high horse, there might actually be less drownings at sea.
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The UNHCF's high horse saves millions of lives world wide and improves millions of others most of those lives are politically powerless not an area of high activity for the religious / conservative politicians world wide.
 
IFocus said:
The UNHCF's high horse saves millions of lives world wide and improves millions of others most of those lives are politically powerless not an area of high activity for the religious / conservative politicians world wide.
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That's what the UNHCF should stick too and not encourage economic refugees to risk their lives country shopping via people smugglers.
 
Outstanding common sense piece by Greg Sheridan in the Australian today.

THE Abbott government has won a mighty, if still provisional, victory against people-smugglers. Today, it is just under four weeks during which no illegal immigrant has arrived in Australia by boat, nor been taken into Australian immigration authority for transfer to Manus Island or Nauru.

This is the clearest and most emphatic vindication yet of the electorate's decision to change the government in September. It may be something of a turning point in modern Australian history. It offers Australia the chance of avoiding the European fate of creating a vast underclass of people alienated from their host society.

In many areas of national policy, the Rudd and Gillard governments had taken Australia down the disastrous European road. The Abbott government is returning to Australian traditions of governance and policy.

While Australia will still be one of the most generous societies in the world to refugees, they will arrive in an orderly and lawful manner and be chosen by Australian authorities.

The determined illegal immigration to Australia of recent years, coming from all corners of the earth but funnelled by boat through our north, will come to an end.

In six years of Labor government, more than 50,000 people arrived illegally by boat with a steady and alarming increase over the years. Hardly any were sent home.

Australia may now have turned the corner on this dark chapter of lost sovereignty and lawless migration, though it is too early to be definitive.

Conditions during most of the past four weeks have been good for sailing. The monsoon has arrived late in Indonesia and is just getting under way. There may well be weeks more before another boat trip is attempted.

The Abbott government will neither confirm nor deny the numbers, but in the past four weeks some five boats have been turned around or towed back towards Indonesia.

Operational secrecy has been central to the success so far.

Operationally, turning boats back is even more effective than transferring people to Manus or Nauru.

The arrival of people in Manus and Nauru often still triggers final payment for the people-smugglers, who continue to tell their customers that people housed on those islands will eventually get to Australia.

Failed illegal arrivals who return to Indonesia, on the other hand, demand their money back and tell everyone they know that the mission was a flop. Even if the boat is sound and the crew competent, they are met by the Australian navy and kept out of Australia.

Meanwhile, Australia continues to have, per capita, the largest permanent refugee resettlement program in the world. But these refugees are not self-selected nor chosen by illegal people-smugglers - they are all genuine refugees, and none of them drowns on the way here.

Nothing has been more controversial than the secrecy which Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has imposed on the operation.

In general, governments are always best advised to be as open and transparent as possible, but this is a uniquely complex policy question. If the government is successful in stopping the boats, people will probably tolerate a good deal of discretion. There are two compelling reasons for the secrecy. The initial proposal to restrict information came from officials. It is no coincidence that this so far remarkably successful operation has been led by a former Special Forces officer, General Angus Campbell.

The key difference between an SAS soldier and everyone else is what the boffins call the internal locus of control. To the greatest extent possible, the SAS imposes its control on a situation. Information is one crucial variable the government can control, so it does just that.

In one press conference Campbell outlined his reasons for wanting to restrict information. People-smugglers use Australian government information to advertise their product and claim payment. They use knowledge of where vessels are intercepted to plan future voyages. They use Australian announcements to claim credit for their product, even to know precisely what their competitors are up to.

Keeping your adversary as much in the dark as possible is an elementary principle of military operations. Information that leaks out is far less valuable to people-smugglers than information that is announced or confirmed by the Australian government.

The involvement of the Australian military has been central to this operation's success. This is not only because the navy has to carry out the most difficult elements of it, but also because the appearance of an Australian general running the operation, standing by the minister at the early weekly briefings, has conveyed a powerful subtext of resolve. The military also has extensive international connections, especially in Southeast Asia. This additional dimension of engagement and dialogue has been critical.

The people-smuggling industry is no longer confronting a Rudd or Gillard government half-heartedly taking measures they don't believe in. Instead, it is confronting an Abbott government, a wholly different beast. And it is confronting an operation led by a distinguished, determined and supremely competent Australian general.

The second reason secrecy is so important is because it is absolutely essential in dealing with the Indonesian government dimension of the policy. The Howard government turned back boats and the Indonesian government accepted this. The Howard government promised never to say anything about this publicly, and kept its word.

While the boat turn-backs have been reported in the media, the Abbott government has not confirmed them, and this gives Jakarta a necessary degree of breathing space.

As you would expect, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees has issued a statement saying the Abbott government may be in breach of international law. This is standard issue UN boilerplate nonsense. There is nothing the Abbott government has done, nor anything the Howard government did before it, which breaches the UN refugee convention in any way.

If Abbott is successful in stopping the boats altogether, the electorate will be satisfied and his government will surely run the line at the next election that a vote for Labor is a vote to restart the illegal boat trade.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...rivals-pays-off/story-e6frg76f-1226800135277#
 
IFocus said:
I think this line is quite striking from Paula Matthewson

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-17/matthewson-abbott-expectations/5203600
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IF, you and many other lefties seem to miss the point. Why should Australia use up her charity dollars for people with thousands of dollars to spend and who may not even be refugees? We do not have unlimited funds to take in anyone who is not in need. Even Aussies are means tested - not anyone can rock up to Centrelink to get full payments potentially for life.

I would much rather see a more orderly intake of GENUINE refugees waiting in camps to come here AND taking better care of our own homeless. Both of these desperately need our help and the gate crashers with money surely should be made to enter the country through the proper channels.

So, please lay off the attempt at guilt. However, I actually don't understand why, as a leftie, you are not standing up for the most needy that I have mentioned above. Very odd.
 
sails said:
IF, you and many other lefties seem to miss the point. Why should Australia use up her charity dollars for people with thousands of dollars to spend and who may not even be refugees? We do not have unlimited funds to take in anyone who is not in need. Even Aussies are means tested - not anyone can rock up to Centrelink to get full payments potentially for life.

I would much rather see a more orderly intake of GENUINE refugees waiting in camps to come here AND taking better care of our own homeless. Both of these desperately need our help and the gate crashers with money surely should be made to enter the country through the proper channels.

So, please lay off the attempt at guilt. However, I actually don't understand why, as a leftie, you are not standing up for the most needy that I have mentioned above. Very odd.
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Well spoken sails.

Any that ARE allowed in as refugees should be able to speak English, have a trade or profession of some sort and be non-muslim......no more on bloody welfare thank you.
 

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