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[qldfrog]

It wasn't as though the attacker was just threatening people, he had killed a couple and the policewoman was aware of that, plus had no backup, IMO she didn't have a lot of options.

And she did well and gave justice.
Too late actually but well done.

 

[SirRumpole]

It comes down to only having one chance to get it right without putting others in further danger.

Bearing in mind that if the attacker takes out the cop and now has the gun, well that's the worst possible outcome. Combine that with a "window of opportunity" situation of unknown but likely short duration and very little time to think about it, and shoot to kill becomes a reasonable response.

It's like cancer. If there's any chance to whack it completely then it's crazy to not do so without hesitation. Because once that opportunity's lost, and it could be at any moment, the odds are then heavily stacked against you.

As a general principle I don't agree with intentionally killing but as with anything there are exceptions and this was one such occasion. A choice of bad or far worse and that being so, bad is the best option.

It's hard to tell unless one is there, in this case it was one on one and the officer was being directly threatened and gave the man a chance to drop the knife.

There have been cases when there were more than one officer in attendance , tasers were available, the attacker had a knife and I reckon a non fatal shot would have sufficed, but I suppose no one is going to feel sorry for a perp who has or could kill a number of people.

 

[SirRumpole]

And she did well and gave justice.
Too late actually but well done.

Justice really isn't the point. The courts are supposed to do that, the police protect the public which she did.

 

[qldfrog]

Justice really isn't the point. The courts are supposed to do that, the police protect the public which she did.

Ethically yes, but she spared society millions as well and I doubt there was any redemption (not the biblical term) for this poor guy;
I would prefer the millions so saved back into proper management and treatment of mental health issues to avoid reaching that end.
do you realise about "

, the police protect the public which she did.

She did indeed as an individual, and within her limited means but "the police protect the public"..hum I think the families of 6 persons dead there might beg to differ...
It is a blatant failure of policing/private security powers on top of Health services.
Note I also pity the parents of the killer, imagine the nightmares now, and pasts.

 

[qldfrog]

It's hard to tell unless one is there, in this case it was one on one and the officer was being directly threatened and gave the man a chance to drop the knife.

There have been cases when there were more than one officer in attendance , tasers were available, the attacker had a knife and I reckon a non fatal shot would have sufficed, but I suppose no one is going to feel sorry for a perp who has or could kill a number of people.

To go back with your post, I fully agree : when you see 3 or 4 cops each with guns around a pocket knife wielding suicidal usually man, ending with 9 bullets in chest..yeap...Used to be Victoria TM 25y ago but Queensland doing very strong lately

 

[Knobby22]

It wasn't as though the attacker was just threatening people, he had killed a couple and the policewoman was aware of that, plus had no backup, IMO she didn't have a lot of options.

Very good point.

The police only have a handgun and they are trained to aim at the centre of the chest because in real life they aren't sharp shooters and usually miss a bit. A stray bullet may kill someone nearby and they may only get one shot in.

It's a bit of a Hollywood myth that they could just shoot someone in the leg and they will just fall down and then they can do some dialogue to camera.
In reality, she could miss the leg or not hit something vital, and then the man could very easily lunge at her and kill her.

 

[sptrawler]

Very good point.

The police only have a handgun and they are trained to aim at the centre of the chest because in real life they aren't sharp shooters and usually miss a bit. A stray bullet may kill someone nearby and they may only get one shot in.

It's a bit of a Hollywood myth that they could just shoot someone in the leg and they will just fall down and then they can do some dialogue to camera.
In reality, she could miss the leg or not hit something vital, and then the man could very easily lunge at her and kill her.

Which then leads to a situation @Smurf suggested, where the attacker gets posession of the police woman's gun.

 

[moXJO]

You cannot risk a perp overpowering you and getting your gun. Tazers, pepper spray often has no effect. Here's a video of a guy advancing after taking an almost full clip to the chest.
Warning: It's graphic swearing and guy dies.
ttps://vimeo.com/510738417

Add the "h" at the start. Didn't want to post video on here

 

[SirRumpole]

Very good point.

The police only have a handgun and they are trained to aim at the centre of the chest because in real life they aren't sharp shooters and usually miss a bit. A stray bullet may kill someone nearby and they may only get one shot in.

It's a bit of a Hollywood myth that they could just shoot someone in the leg and they will just fall down and then they can do some dialogue to camera.
In reality, she could miss the leg or not hit something vital, and then the man could very easily lunge at her and kill her.

If there is body armour that stops bullets, knife proof vests shouldn't be a problem.

 

[wayneL]

If there is body armour that stops bullets, knife proof vests shouldn't be a problem.

Bishop Emmanuel kinda found out they're not much chop if you get stabbed in the face.

 

[SirRumpole]

Bishop Emmanuel kinda found out they're not much chop if you get stabbed in the face.

A police officer well trained in self defence would not let someone get that close.

 

[wayneL]

A police officer well trained in self defence would not let someone get that close.

Yep hence why I think the inspector took the correct action.

The rest of us are at the mercy of such people however.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yep hence why I think the inspector took the correct action.

The rest of us are at the mercy of such people however.

Yes, that's the issue really. We can't be armed or able to prevent injuries to ourselves by wearing flak jackets or carrying pepper spray because no one can tell who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, so only the coppers get armed and we have to take pot luck that they are around when we need them.

 

[wayneL]

Yes, that's the issue really. We can't be armed or able to prevent injuries to ourselves by wearing flak jackets or carrying pepper spray because no one can tell who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, so only the coppers get armed and we have to take pot luck that they are around when we need them.

Which is always, by virtue of logistics, far too late. That's not a criticism just the reality of how things work out.

Two scenarios:

1/ the local boguns are outside the Ponderosa, racing up and down doing burnouts. I phone up the Midland police station to report it and they are less than interested in attending.. mostly because by the time they turn up an hour and a half later they are gone and doing burnouts somewhere else.

2/ The local boguns decide to do a home invasion. Home owner is armed with their cricket bat, ALDI butter knife etc, whereas the home invaders are armed with machetes, fence pickets, possibly an illegal shotgun and restraints with which to tie up the husband while they gang rape his wife.

In both instances the people in our area are totally defenseless against either scenario. Furthermore any active self-defense would probably see us arrested rather than the perps.

Where were the cops? far too far away and looking for the easiest arrest, which is the poor home owner.

 

[wayneL]

Every death and even every injury in the Bondi junction incident is totally tragic and each have their own story.

That of Ashlee Good and her child I think we probably will all find particularly poignant... I am sure we all know the story.

Reports are that the child is improving, thank God. My hope is that it is a one off tragedy, rather than the first of many.

FWIW

 

[StockyGuy]

Reports are that the child is improving, thank God.

Ya still believe in a benevolent, interventionist God after events like this?

 

[wayneL]

Ya still believe in a benevolent, interventionist God after events like this?

I have never believed in an interventionist God. Part of why I am a dissenter to the "church", as detailed elsewhere here.

 

[StockyGuy]

I have never believed in an interventionist God. Part of why I am a dissenter to the "church", as detailed elsewhere here.

Yep, you mean "thank God" in a social nicety type of way. You could substitute the word God with a lotta stuff. Thank the predetermined dance of the subatomic particles in all things in Sydney on the day, maybe.

 

[wayneL]

Yep, you mean "thank God" in a social nicety type of way. You could substitute the word God with a lotta stuff. Thank the predetermined dance of the subatomic particles in all things in Sydney on the day, maybe.

That is one way one might imagine it.

It's not especially my own personal imaginings, but let's just say for me, it's not an old bearded man in robes, sitting on a cloud, tut tutting, and putting back crosses against your name every time you @#$& up.

I am no Christian apologist, nope, not at all.

 

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