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SirRumpole said:
Violence in Sydney down due to lockout laws, NSW Premier Mike Baird says on Facebook

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This is the greatest city in the world and it is now safer and more vibrant than ever.

Long Live Sydney.
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He can't have spent much time in other cities :D
 
Even Alan Jones agrees. It was fun watching Mike Baird, or Casino Mike as he's now known, get worked over after his stupid comments about Sydneysiders being hysterical for objecting to the lockout laws.

“I’m telling you this because stark raving mad government thinks that the lockout laws have solved the problems, or will, of alcohol-fuelled violence,” Jones blasts. “It’s a mindless overreaction but businesses have gone broke, the city’s being shut down, and this is precisely what’s now going to happen in Queensland. [It’s] politicians distorting reality.”
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http://inthemix.junkee.com/even-shock-jock-alan-jones-wants-the-lockouts-overturned/138212
 
Mike Baird made this comment.

Well, one last statistic: the number of small bars in Sydney has more than doubled in the same time period.
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Are you calling him a liar ?

If he's right then it means that the hysteria about businesses closing down is just that, hysteria.
 
SirRumpole said:
Are you calling him a liar ?

If he's right then it means that the hysteria about businesses closing down is just that, hysteria.
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As you ignored my question about whether you have any proof that Alan Jones is being paid to comment, I'll just assume that was baseless slander.

Mike Baird didn't provide any source, and given his fondness for misquoting to suit his agenda I have no idea if he is lying or telling the truth. Is he referring to greater Sydney, the Sydney Metro Area, Inner Sydney, the CBD? Greater Sydney runs from the top of the Central Coast down to Wollongong. If small bars are opening in Toukley or Umina that's great, but its neither here nor there when discussing lockout laws that only affect inner Sydney. Aside from that, it doesn't matter if x number of small bars have opened. His government policy has destroyed hundreds of small businesses. Not just bars and clubs but all the ancillary things that run along side such venues.

Did Hugos, Jimmy Liks, Goldfish, The Flinders, Bar Century, SoHo, The Bourbon and on and on close just because? No they didn't, every single one said they were closing because of reduced trade caused by the lockout laws.

As Alan Jones rightly points out the kid who killed Thomas Kelly got p!ssed in Pennant Hills went to Darling Harbour got more p!ssed then went to Kings Cross and was refused entry to three bars because he was intoxicated. So the licensees in the X did what they were supposed to and have had their businesses destroyed. What a great city.
 
McLovin said:
You're hopeless.
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You re pretty hopeless yourself.

If you are quoting from this article

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-...refutes-bairds-sydney-assault-figures/7154804

This is what Weatherburn said

"The problem with that is assaults have been coming down in NSW since 2008, so you had this pre-existing downward trend," Dr Weatherburn said.

"What the lockout laws did was accelerate the existing downward trend, so it fell even faster than before."
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I don't see any problem with reducing the rate of assaults above a natural baseline.

When asked whether there was any evidence that violence had shifted from Kings Cross to outer suburbs, Dr Weatherburn said crime figures did not support that idea either.

"We don't see any evidence of that. In the early part of the evaluation we saw a brief increase around Darling Harbour, near the casino.

"People have talked endlessly of an increase of assaults in Newtown; we don't see any evidence whatsoever of that.

"I have a suspicion that what people are getting confused about is the usual seasonal increase in violence in summer months."

He said there was no increase in violence in suburbs such as Bondi, Bondi Junction or Coogee.

Dr Weatherburn said there was no evidence of a "displacement effect" increasing domestic violence since the lockout laws were introduced.

"The number of domestic violence incidents have not changed, but you have to remember that only a third of incidents are reported to police."
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It's pretty clear that Weatherburn is supporting the beneficial effect of the lockout laws even if he disagrees with the magnitude that Baird expressed.

The front line troops in the violent assault scene, medicos at St Vincent hospital certainly support the laws.

Director of trauma at St Vincent's Hospital Associate Professor Tony Grabs said the lockout laws had had a profound impact on the number of people being injured by alcohol-fuelled violence.

"It has been a breath of fresh air for this hospital," he said

"What we see now is the number of people coming in with associated head injuries and alcohol-related violence has dropped dramatically."

Former security guard and one-punch victim Fady "Freddie" Taiba also supports the laws and has urged the Government not to concede to critics.

"I don't believe we should listen to these people saying 'this is not a fun place to be'," he said.

Mr Taiba said the value of life should not be compared to the loss of the so-called night time economy.

"All they're thinking about is money … No amount of money of gold in the world can replace the death of someone," he said.
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McLovin said:
Your ability to goalpost shift and argue for the sake of arguing beats mine. Have a nice weekend.
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Same to you.

At least I have the guts to quote a complete article instead of cherry picking a single sentence that seems to support my position.
 
SirRumpole said:
An opinion on the review of lockout laws

The lockout law review mustn't be so close-minded

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-16/lee-the-lockout-law-review-mustn't-be-so-close-minded/7170912
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As I stated a week or so ago, I cannot believe I am supporting the Queensland Government and cannot understand why the LNP are opposing these LOCK OUT LAWS.

I honestly cannot see why people have to consume so much alcohol that it affects their brain into acting abnormally........If the law works and saves some poor bu$$er's life, then the law has a achieved what it was designed to do......I say, give it a go, monitor the results and assess the outcome.

I can recall the days when there were no night clubs and the pubs closed at 10 pm....Nobody complained.




https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/30844206/kap-to-support-qld-lockout-laws/
 
Funny how the casino just happens to be exempt in Sydney. Just like the casino is exempt in Adelaide. Not sure about other places but that's the case in at least two cities.

Very blatant what's going on there. Money talks and casinos have more money to offer than pubs and clubs.

Considering all the damage gambling does, the last thing that ought to be happening is having drunks turn up at a casino because they can't get in anywhere else. If anything, the casinos ought to have an earlier lock-out or simply not serve alcohol at all. If someone can't make a decision to not punch someone when they're drunk then they sure can't make sensible decisions about money either.

I'm not a regular drinker, haven't touched the stuff for months and never drink at home (ever) but I don't have a problem with people going out drinking as long as they don't start throwing punches etc. Australian culture is a big problem there as there's plenty of other countries where alcohol doesn't lead to violence, people just end up happy and a bit silly but not violent.

We've changed society's attitude toward smoking and to some extent toward what people eat over the years. Likewise attitudes toward the natural environment, sexuality, race and other things have also changed radically in the space of a generation. I think we ought to take that approach with alcohol rather than just imposing simplistic solutions like time-based rules. A few drinks and having some fun is fine but getting smashed and turning violent is not acceptable. :2twocents
 
I certainly won't defend the casino exemption. Frankly I think that casinos are centres for money laundering by criminals and if anything they should be banned altogether.

Keep the pokies for the local clubs that depend on the revenue but impose restrictions for over use.

If the suggestion is that we do education campaigns for alcohol abuse instead of lockouts, then I'm afraid I disagree.

Education campaigns are expensive and they don't work. Obesity in this country is still a problem years after the "lLife Be In It" campaigns.

Education is only good for people intelligent enough to listen to and understand them. The bogans won't and can't, they can barely even read.
 
Bill M said:
Out on bail after allegedly killing somebody, absolutely unbelievable this country.

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Anti-coward punch campaigners are calling a Brisbane judge 'gutless' for bailing a teenager accused of killing a grandfather with a single king-hit after birthday celebrations allegedly turned deadly on the Gold Coast.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/31235779/bail-for-a-man-accused-of-a-one-punch-attack-on-a-grandfather-on-the-gold-coast/
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The judiciary needs to harden the f.... up, a complete overhaul is needed... the streets are full of dangerous crims thanks to these pathetic bastards.
 
MrBurns said:
The judiciary needs to harden the f.... up, a complete overhaul is needed... the streets are full of dangerous crims thanks to these pathetic bastards.
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and we do agree that these pathetic bastards are the judges...
The role of the legal society in destroying our culture is kept quiet but when you see the impact of a litigation society, the cost and red tape triggerred by the blame culture.
From your rates increase as your council pay money to anyone slipping on uneven pavements, to your surgeon, professionals or company insurance premiums (that you have to pay down the chain), the quiet interested decisions of these so called respectable judges (your honour..we should cry) are undermining our society.
They will probably release the murderous bogan (no money to be made there) but try to attack the corner pub or the spirit company drapped in grand principles.
I have the upmost disrespect for the legal system here, I am sure there are a few exceptions and I have read about some in the past, so kudos to these individuals who fought for real principle of right and wrong, but overall, a very rotten and antique system.Better avoid having to deal with it, especially as a victim...
 

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