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MrBurns said:
If the streets are ever to be reasonably safe we need to tighten out sentencing laws considerably.

Life for a crime like this should be mandatory, this bloke KILLED someone with a deliberate action.

Why let people like this out after a period in jail ? they are only further damaged and a danger to society.

Rapists
Murderer's
Child molesters

Why should they be allowed out again...........ever ?

Saw on TV where registered sex offenders have to wear a bracelet so they can be monitored, what the hell does that cost ?

Throw away the key.

We need to change things before the vigilantes start to inflict their own justice.
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As we know the criminal "justice" system is just a lawyer's picnic filled with plea bargains and mitigating factors like drunkeness or abused childhoods or lack of parental discipline blah blah blah. It's always someone elses fault other than the guy who threw the punch.

Maybe mandatory 20 years for killing someone unless in self defence, but the problem is that the perps never believe they will be caught so theses things will keep happening.
 
MrBurns said:
If the streets are ever to be reasonably safe we need to tighten out sentencing laws considerably.

Life for a crime like this should be mandatory, this bloke KILLED someone with a deliberate action.
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We have pathetic laws and pathetic judges that simply do not dish out maximum sentences for these sort of crimes. When will our governments EVER do something about it? They won't, they just make noises until the next one I'm afraid to say. Gutless to make a stand and implement the correct laws where judges can not lesson the sentences.

As you say, it was a deliberate action, he killed someone. For this, no matter what, he should not have the right to be free again, not under any circumstances. Who cares what the do gooder idiots say, we have all had enough.:mad:
 
Bill M said:
We have pathetic laws and pathetic judges that simply do not dish out maximum sentences for these sort of crimes. When will our governments EVER do something about it? They won't, they just make noises until the next one I'm afraid to say. Gutless to make a stand and implement the correct laws where judges can not lesson the sentences.

As you say, it was a deliberate action, he killed someone. For this, no matter what, he should not have the right to be free again, not under any circumstances. Who cares what the do gooder idiots say, we have all had enough.:mad:
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Part of the problem is the judges are learned ********s, completely absorbed in their own importance, they administer the LAW as they see it and never for a moment consider common sense.

I'm sure the powers that let Adrian Bayley free the kill Jill Meagher still believe they acted appropriately.
 
MrBurns said:
Why let people like this out after a period in jail ? they are only further damaged and a danger to society.

Rapists
Murderer's
Child molesters

Why should they be allowed out again...........ever ?

Saw on TV where registered sex offenders have to wear a bracelet so they can be monitored, what the hell does that cost ?

Throw away the key.

We need to change things before the vigilantes start to inflict their own justice.
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There is an unintended consequence of making tougher sentencing for things less than murder.

In parts of Africa where you get 20years for car jacking criminals often shoot the occupants of the car because the penalty for murder is only slightly worse and it reduces their chances of getting caught.

I wouldn't want to speculate on what the right answer is for the likes of rape but for the justice system to function as a deterrent for increasingly abhorrent crimes it must take into consideration the severity of each individual crime.

If it's always life in prison then criminals are more likely to go all in and murder their victims as well.

This is the same as having an understanding of incentives in economics. You want to understand how people think then come up with an approach that rewards good and punishes bad on a sliding scale to incentivise the good and dissuade the bad.

Very easy to have brash policy that has unintended consequences that yield a worse result than the original scheme.
 
Tom32 said:
There is an unintended consequence of making tougher sentencing for things less than murder.

In parts of Africa where you get 20years for car jacking criminals often shoot the occupants of the car because the penalty for murder is only slightly worse and it reduces their chances of getting caught.

I wouldn't want to speculate on what the right answer is for the likes of rape but for the justice system to function as a deterrent for increasingly abhorrent crimes it must take into consideration the severity of each individual crime.

If it's always life in prison then criminals are more likely to go all in and murder their victims as well.

This is the same as having an understanding of incentives in economics. You want to understand how people think then come up with an approach that rewards good and punishes bad on a sliding scale to incentivise the good and dissuade the bad.

Very easy to have brash policy that has unintended consequences that yield a worse result than the original scheme.
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Yes good post however there must be a sweet spot between life for everything and letting dangerous people back on the streets.

At present I believe there are way too many very dangerous people roaming among us courtesy of our justice system.
 
MrBurns said:
Yes good post however there must be a sweet spot between life for everything and letting dangerous people back on the streets.

At present I believe there are way too many very dangerous people roaming among us courtesy of our justice system.
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Only thing I can come up with is a series of penal colonies. :)

Each colony more harsh than the next. The worst can be shipped off to Antarctica to start developing a sustainable mining industry there.

While it might sound tongue in cheek I think at least that would grade serious crimes in terms of the location then you can still give them all life in prison and keep them off the streets.
 
I really feel for families like the Miller's where an innocent, fun night out turns into such trauma and tragedy. Alcohol and/or drugs should never be used as an excuse. Christ, I drink but I don't become violent unlike far too many idiots that do and when said idiots are in a mob (more than one), look out!

Myself, being the victim of two unprovoked attacks in my late teens, by different attackers who were several years older than me and the attacks a couple of years apart, I hold the view that scum like these need to be eradicated from our society.

In hindsight my failure to report these attacks or divulge who the attackers were allowed the attackers to spiral down into a life of violence and the court system and myself, having permanent visible and invisible damage.
There's the coward's punch but as a victim I also consider myself a coward because the result of naming and shaming was a fear to great for me to overcome.

Premeditated acts likes these need the fullest weight of the law imposed. Please don't give me an excuse that alcohol and/or drugs or whatever was a mitigating factor reducing one's mental capacity to think clearly. What rot!

Renata and Maxwell knew full well what they were about to embark on and bragged about it. Let them brag to the four walls in one of our finest custodial institutions for the term of their natural lives.

We certainly don't need faulty genes like these to reproduce. Harsh?
Not to my way of thinking because dumb scum like these terrorize not only the victim and their family but all of society and no one has the right to do that.
 
Craton said:
Renata and Maxwell knew full well what they were about to embark on and bragged about it. Let them brag to the four walls in one of our finest custodial institutions for the term of their natural lives.
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Bugger that, too good for them....

Take away their passports and set them afloat in a leaky boat off the Australia bite :bowser:...
 
Craton said:
Too right and as I've said in ASF Breaking News post 614, allowing them to live is too kind.
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Do we really want to go down the Death Penalty road ?

In terms of deterrent it doesn't work, nothing does because people never think they will get caught.

I'd go for a "supermax" in the Simpson desert, same view every day, no visitors, no tv, no books, no internet.

Killing them is too kind.
 
Tink said:
As I said here, Tom, I disagree with watering down laws.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...t=25726&page=9&p=893969&viewfull=1#post893969
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Yes tink I did see that post and thank you for it in so far as writing this response has stirred things up in my mind that have not been stirred for a while.

Where I disagree however would be that while ones faith can be absolute ones actions never are.

It is these immoral / illegal actions that the law has to address.

No one living today is perfect and if we had a justice system based on absolutes I am not certain it would make the world a better place.

I understand rape / murder are far more serious than what the normal punter might commit but there is a serious practical issue if you have the same punishment for a range of different crimes just because they are all wrong.

Putting morals to one side and let's assume some people only behave based on what works for them. Let's say they have perfect logic / reason but no morals whatsoever:

This individual decides to rob a bank because he knows he has a 95pc chance of getting away with it. They go through how they will disable the security and scare the tellers into handing over cash.

Now let's say the law says they get life in prison for robbing a bank and they have a 96pc chance of getting away with it with a more violent / different approach. What reason is there for them not to walk into the bank and shoot all three tellers? Then take the money.

While some of us have morals unfortunately not everyone does. Laws and justice system is ultimately concocted for the criminals.

i don't know the answer but I don't think the answer can be expressed in absolute terms. I guess I don't think locking people up for longer for all crimes necessarily leads to less crime.
 
SirRumpole said:
Do we really want to go down the Death Penalty road ?

In terms of deterrent it doesn't work, nothing does because people never think they will get caught.
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I don't see the death penatly as a deterrent. Those hell bent on their own agenda no amount of deterrents work because of human nature.

I'd go for a "supermax" in the Simpson desert, same view every day, no visitors, no tv, no books, no internet.
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...and I can just hear the goody two shoes bleeding hearts accepting this without a whimper.
Killing them is too kind.
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A lifetime in a "supermax" is a cost to me, the taxpayer. Why should I pay to keep scum like these alive?

They obviously don't hold human life in high regard so cleaning out the gene pool is a pretty good option. You know, there are some in our society where no amount of compassion or any other type of assistance can help.

Nope, allowing scum like these to breath is way too kind in my book so SirR, lets agree to disagree on this one.
 
We are better than the barbarians we invite in, because we believe in the rule of law. Making ourselves scum to counter scum just adds to the pond.

I have noticed the only real deterrent with these simpletons is to punish their parents. Primitives value the reputation of their elders and bringing public humiliation and shame onto mum and dad might just make them think about their actions before having to live with the family pariah status.
 
Finally Matt Barrie says what everyone who actually lives in Sydney has been thinking. That gormless, weak ex-Premier O'Farrell has a lot to answer for for this short-sighted bit of stupidity. For the supposed party of small business, it's incredible how many small businesses they have sent to the wall. Not to mention the Liberal Party has treated the rest of us like feeble minded idiots who can't be trusted to buy a takeaway bottle of alcohol after 10pm. It's a shame the government can't be held to account financially for the total mess they've created.

And if you ever needed to know who runs this state, guess who's been buying up all the buildings of failed business...Yep, property developers. Quite a field day they've had.

Freelancer chief executive Matt Barrie has posted a scathing article on Sydney's lockout laws, taking to task the state government and labelling New South Wales the "nanny state".

The post on social networking site LinkedIn comes just hours after a new report into the lockout laws by the City of Sydney found that foot traffic in Kings Cross and Oxford Street at 11pm on a Friday night, before the 1.30am lockout and 3am last drinks, was down 58 per cent. By 4am, foot traffic had fallen 80 per cent on 2012 figures.

Mr Barrie's article, titled 'would the last person in Sydney please turn the lights out?', said New South Wales Premier Mike Baird had "turned Sydney into Detroit".

"Every week, another venue or restaurant closes. The soul of the city has been destroyed," Mr Barrie wrote. "Kings Cross, in particular, has been decimated so badly that it will never, ever, come back as an entertainment precinct."

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In the post Matt Barrie takes readers on a walking tour of Sydney's major entertainment and nightlife precincts, detailing the number of closed businesses, some of which were institutions in their time, and the devastation its causing to the city.

"Even Australia's staple fast food franchise and destination of choice for hungry late night revellers- McDonalds on George and Bridge Streets in the centre of the city- has, rarely for the global franchise, shut down," he said.
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Read more: http://www.afr.com/technology/freel...er-lockout-laws-20160203-gml82s#ixzz3z9muSbMc
 
McLovin said:
Finally Matt Barrie says what everyone who actually lives in Sydney has been thinking. That gormless, weak ex-Premier O'Farrell has a lot to answer for for this short-sighted bit of stupidity. For the supposed party of small business, it's incredible how many small businesses they have sent to the wall. Not to mention the Liberal Party has treated the rest of us like feeble minded idiots who can't be trusted to buy a takeaway bottle of alcohol after 10pm. It's a shame the government can't be held to account financially for the total mess they've created.

And if you ever needed to know who runs this state, guess who's been buying up all the buildings of failed business...Yep, property developers. Quite a field day they've had.





Read more: http://www.afr.com/technology/freel...er-lockout-laws-20160203-gml82s#ixzz3z9muSbMc
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Any figures on the rate of hospital admissions, police callouts, violent assaults and rapes in these areas ?
 
Gotta love this pic. Our tax dollars at work. Nanny state? Nah, police state. Gotta keep us all safe from dem drugs.

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