wayneL
VIVA LA LIBERTAD, CARAJO!
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visual said:Wayne,
honestly now I know what ,<deleted> was saying about you ,if you are going to quote me,do it by showing why I was saying what I was saying,you know show yours and mine.
This seems abit one sided.But if it makes you feel better ,good.I`m happy.
Althought seeing that the law has been used effectively and we know about it because we read about it,it seems that yourfears are unfounded.Then again like I said maybe you have something to fear unlike myself.
Now Wayne I`m going to ignore you because your theories are absurd ,yes thatsa personal opinion,unlike you I dont hide behind words that I hope other people wont understand.
Have a good day,sir,will you have chips with that.
rederob said:Wayne
I am reporting that your "unfair" reference to including another poster. which you edited out of visual's post, was subsequently added by you in your reply to visual.
The pots are getting blacker!
wayneL said:Visual,
Your arguments lack clarity and balance. There is a quotable quote regarding situations such as this, which, for fear of likewise resorting to the ad hominem level, I will refrain from posting.
I could introduce, more of my argument here. But I don't think ASF is necessarily the place for it. Happy to take it private, or a more appropriate forum.
Cheers
visual said:Wayne,you were going to get out of this argument ,as you thought that it was not an appropiate argument to have on ASF.
And as for you explaining petard,what made you think I didnt know what it meant ,and I do know how to use a dictonary if I dont know,as in Ad hominen,
this started as a tongue in cheek post,you then went on about your delirious fears about the government and so on,I dont agree with you,I will not waste my time following kooky theories and as I`m not likely to ever be a terorrist I`m not going to notice these so called changes the government is bringing in to control us all.
Relax man ,smoke a bit of weed, I hear its very relaxing or have you already indulged and hence the allucinations and paranoia.
Go Georgie,Go Johnnie,Go Tony,ect...
Now Wayne if you were truly scared about the changes the government is bringing in what are you doing about it,have you spoken to your local member,have you tried protesting these changes,oh hang on you cant because then they`l take you away never to be seen again,ok then how about running for parliament,or presenting a private bill ,I`m not sure how that works but I believe that you can do that,by getting in contact with the politician representing your seat,hang on that will bring you to the attention of asio,gee sorry run out of ideas better consult someone from your other forum,I`m sure they`ll be able to help you.
Notice Wayne unlike you I`m actually finding this thread funny,maybe its because i`m not scared and have nothing to hide.
P.S what facts are your referring to,when did you call for facts,are you referring to the laws that are going to imprison us all,well how I`m I supposed to get those,remember the government is doing this secretly.But I read the paper daily and see how the laws that scare you so witless report these things ,anyway go to go Wayne,Asio just called they want a report.
Imprisonment for 2 years is provided if a lawyer, partner, family member, journalist or indeed anyone reports the detention.
wayneL said:Here is one provision of the law I was refering to, mentioned in the document above.
wayneL said:Hyperbole is the refuge of the gormlessNice try, but no cigar!
Tell you what. I'll make it easy for you. Read this link, it is a submission by Gideon Polya regarding the impending (now law) terrorist legislation. If you can be bothered reading it, it will give you clues as to where to do some more research as well as a different point of view.
http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/legcon_ctte/terrorism/submissions/sub112.pdf
cheers
PS Keep your dictionary handy.
Madness confined to a small sector (The Royal Brisbane and Women's and Princess Alexandra hospitals in Brisbane) should not be seen as political correctness. The hospitals concerned have been condemned from every quarter, and the lame excuse that really caused the banning was a supposed need to "clean" the bibles after each patient because of possible infection.Julia said:I am frankly more concerned about the madness of politically correct behaviour which has seen the Gideon Bibles removed from hospital bedsides, just in case they might offend any Muslim who should occupy the bed!!
Julia
Julia said:Wayne
I share your concern about such aspects of the laws as that quoted above.
I understand this can even apply to a child taken into detention.
However, with respect to the more general aspects of the new anti-terrorist legislation, however much I may have misgivings about it, I can't come up with any viable alternatives.
e.g. we can't just pretend it's still 1960 and we are not at risk from terrorists here in Australia. Living in regional Queensland I don't personally feel at risk but probably would find myself occasionally thinking about getting on a train if I lived in Sydney.
I acknowledge that some of our freedoms and rights are being eroded.
However, I guess I'd have to say that I would opt for the present restrictions and somewhat Orwellian laws if that's the price we have to pay for at least some degree of security.
Do you think it would be better if our intelligence services et al (for what they are worth) simply ignored the terrorist threat?
I am frankly more concerned about the madness of politically correct behaviour which has seen the Gideon Bibles removed from hospital bedsides, just in case they might offend any Muslim who should occupy the bed!!
If we were admitted to hospital in a Muslim country, would we be offended at finding the Koran in the bedside drawer? No, of course not.
I have no personal interest in the Bible, but we should not be so sycophantic towards other religions that we remove it from our hospitals.
Julia
visual said:Wayne,such angst,you should really be careful you may have a stroke,all that anger simply isnt very healthy.
As Kamal beautifully put it
why are people so unkind.
visual said:Wayne,
the conspiracy is growing now Julia is in too,
hope that bunker you are building is long term,still better build it away from the coast where the indon fisherman are landing.
love you work,Wayne keep it up
Julia said:I am frankly more concerned about the madness of politically correct behaviour which has seen the Gideon Bibles removed from hospital bedsides, just in case they might offend any Muslim who should occupy the bed!!
Julia
Rafa said:Julia,
I think you'll find the removal of bibles was more a work of the atheist leftys rather that any attempt of removal by muslims...
Infact, the muslims have gone on record for being against the plan... I don't know if you are aware, but the old testament is the same in both christianity and islam...
Infact most of the political correctness you witness today, i.e. the non singing of christmas carols, non teaching of religion is public schools, is because of atheistist agenda amongst some political and public service rather than as a result of complaints from muslims, or any other religion for that matter...
So, on this point, I hope you reconsider your statement... However, I do agree with you on your other points...
Rafa.
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