Aboriginal?

[Spaghetti]

My family, and also the families of so many I know came to Australia because they were oppressed in their own countries. This country gave them a freedom they never had before due to their race, nationality, religion or political beliefs.

They were not top dogs or successful in their home countries due to discrimination but they came here, were given a chance and made Australia a real success story.

Many of your families may not have immigrated too long ago and just turned up for even more dollars so perhaps will never understand how the egalitarian culture Australia is (sorry, was) famous worldwide.

If your family came here later I do suggest you take time to learn Australian history, recent and pre-historic, to understand. If you cannot integrate your views with this history then perhaps you should return home instead of destroying the very cultural basis that made this country great enough for your family to decide to make it home.

If you cannot undestand fair go, then go away!

 

[disarray]

disarray
Because you don't understand what being a "racist" means, does not mean you are not one.
Of course this forum is too politically correct to allow me to call you a racist. So I will not.
You are, however, as ill informed as the many that think they know what is wrong, and what aborigines need to do to lift themselves from where they are.

call me a racist if you want, that word means very little any more because it has been overused. true racism is a belief that certain people are less human because of race. i don't believe in sub humanity, but i do believe in inferiority and superiority. thats the way nature makes us.

i can tell you however that there is nothing ill informed about the fact that I, my girlfriend, my brother, his girlfriend and several of my close friends have been assaulted by aborigines, it is unsafe to walk around my area at night because of aborigines, buses stop running to my area because of aborigines, and my property is constantly vandalised and stolen by aborigines. but it's all my fault because i am a white oppressor and i should apologise and keep throwing money at the problem without making demands to make this all go away right?

Aborigines are not migrants, I say once again. I see no proof. If a population radiates out from it's centre it does not constitute migration. Do you have proof those first peoples actually immigrated? Sounds weird to me

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

aborigines are migrants, traceable to 3 genetic markers over 30,000 odd years. does it sound wierd to you as well that there have been several other hominid species in recent history that have completely died out? possibly exterminated by our own species. don't worry though, no one can attach any guilt for that to you.

I have also read market addicts drink more than average, die younger and have higher levels of stress. Maybe we can relate.

no we can't. hopefully though we are both making a profit so all is well if we can relate there.

After 200 years we still label them all "indigenous" and try a one size fits all approach if the carrot and stick method doesn't work

i don't see much stick in current approaches to aboriginal policy. in the judiciary sure, but policy? no.

If you do not like people that are so very Australian, more so than you are

wrong wrong wrong. aborigines are not the ultimate australian or whatever you are trying to make them. they are just another wave of homo sapiens sapiens settling in a new and abundant land (which they managed to rape quickly enough).

what i did find amusing a while ago is that mosman council made a big song and dance about hoisting an aboriginal flag over their council chambers and the usual platitudes about reconciliation, reparations, brotherhood of man blah blah blah. you don't find any aborigines in mosman though. its easy to be tolerant of people (and judge others who aren't) when you don't have to live with them.

something relevant from wikipedia, where the channon christian case has been whitewashed by political correctness once again

“Wherever multiculturalism goes, it brings Victimism with it. Victimism is an integral part of the multi-culti ideological package, and its practitioners, whom we may call Victimists, have two principal concerns: They invent fake stories and images that are intended to bring sympathy, admiration, glory and political advantage to groups of people who have been officially designated as Victims by the multi-culti establishment; and they strive to disseminate their fake stories and images in the guise of “history.”

The Victims are always groups, not individuals. This isn’t surprising, because all multi-culti ideology revolves around tribalism, the rejection of individualism, and the doctrine that a person’s primary identity is his group identity ”” i.e., the tribe to which he belongs.

In practice, all the principal tribes turn out to be racial or quasiracial groups, which are defined in terms of their real or imaginary ancestries.

Among the racial groups represented in the population of the United States, two have not merely been certified as Victims but have also been selected for especially lavish treatment by the Victimists. These groups ”” Amerindians and American blacks ”” figure prominently in the multi-culti version of “American history,” where they are sanitized and glorified beyond recognition, and are depicted as the hapless prey of evil white men.

Sanitization is an indispensable part of this endeavor, because certified Victims must always be depicted as innocent, righteous paragons of humanity. The sanitization process consists largely of hiding or denying any facts which show that the Victims had victims of their own, whom they slaughtered, displaced, subjugated, enslaved or exploited." -Prof. William J. Bennetta, EXCERPT from ‘The Textbook Letter’, from July-August 1998

the channon christian case is a white couple being carjacked, taken to a home, the boyfriend sodomised and murdered in front of the girl, then the girl pack raped and urinated on for 4 days before being butchered, cut up and dumped. the media won't touch it though because it was yet another interracial hate crime and would put another crack into the multicult utopian ideal. while not directly pertinent to this conversation, the media whitewash of black atrocity coupled with overreaction to white atrocity is mirrored in our own aboriginal debate.

 

[rederob]

i can tell you however that there is nothing ill informed about the fact that I, my girlfriend, my brother, his girlfriend and several of my close friends have been assaulted by aborigines, it is unsafe to walk around my area at night because of aborigines, buses stop running to my area because of aborigines, and my property is constantly vandalised and stolen by aborigines. but it's all my fault because i am a white oppressor and i should apologise and keep throwing money at the problem without making demands to make this all go away right?

no
the clever thing is to avoid risk
you have options
but you want to blame others
i guess some people are inferior after all

 

[disarray]

no
the clever thing is to avoid risk
you have options
but you want to blame others
i guess some people are inferior after all

so while the aborigines aren't at fault for being victims, i am?

you are truly a blind sycophant

i guess some people are inferior after all

actually i cheerfully beat the snot out of them. too bad if this disappoints you. its good to see you advocate the assault of women, theft and vandalism to further your agenda though. well played.

 

[2020hindsight]

Black and white working together can win against a lot of halfsubmerged lion and a lot of one eyed croc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89QnWL0f6kM&NR=1 Zebra Fights Against Lion.
Zebra Fights Against Lion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI1RH1VhlYI&mode=related&search= Zebra vs Crocodile.
Zebra vs Crocodile.

 

[rederob]

so while the aborigines aren't at fault for being victims, i am?

Hard to believe that it only works one way!

actually i cheerfully beat the snot out of them. too bad if this disappoints you

It confirms my every thought about you.
Congratulations for being such an upstanding person.

 

[2020hindsight]

i never branded them no hopers and i haven't used any racial slurs in this argument. stop projecting some right-wing opponent fantasy onto me (or confusing my posts with someone elses)..

actually i cheerfully beat the snot out of them. too bad if this disappoints you. its good to see you advocate the assault of women, theft and vandalism to further your agenda though. well played.

Could be you're starting to get close to calling them "no hopers" there dissarray.

Let's assume you're taking the piss.

couple of questions - more of chops really

Well, you can read the deaths in custody royal commission like I have.

Secondly, police brutality and violence is old as the police force is itself. And you can be sure that it will continue in the future. As sure as the sun comes up tomorrow, it will always be there.

if someone applied to join the police and said that genuiinely would it
a) be a negative in their chances to being selected
b) be a neutral or
c) be a positive.

and if it's not a negative, why wouldn't it be.

 

[disarray]

Hard to believe that it only works one way!

hypocrisy, denial, double standards. the apologist trifecta is in play!

It confirms my every thought about you.
Congratulations for being such an upstanding person.

your judgements are irrelevant.

 

[rederob]

hypocrisy, denial, double standards. the apologist trifecta is in play!
your judgements are irrelevant.

Anything to back any of your statements. disarray?
Or are you the kind of person we take at their word?

I did notice that you attribute this to me, "its good to see you advocate the assault of women, theft and vandalism to further your agenda though".
Perhaps you can cite the reference for that statement so that I can see how quickly my stance has changed.

Or, rather than playing the man, how about returning to the topic, disarray?

By the way, knowing you are out there "snotting" aborigines just shows how far we have come. You are a legend.

 

[wayneL]

hypocrisy, denial, double standards. the apologist trifecta is in play!

Another straw man argument. Sorry, they only work on muppets.

 

[Captain_Chaza]

C'Mon ASF
Grow up?

Why is this sort of topic like "Aboriginal" allowed on this site?

What has it got to do with SHARES
(if you know what I mean)

I have some great stories re The Protestants v's the Left Footers but I don't think this is the site for such rubbish

Trash the above if you think I am out of order?

I am sorry I have not read a word of the above posts as I am only focused on shares and hate to waste a minute on Trashy Titles

All I am saying is that I find the discrimation/SEPERATION in the Title as
"REVOLTING"

You could always open up a few new threads if you wish like ?

'What's it like living nextdoor to a Muslim?
What's it like living nextdoor to a Mossad agent?
What's it like living nextdoor to a White Aust Protestant?
What's it like living nextdoor to a Left-Footer?
etc etc etc

What has this all got to do with shares?
Absolutely nothing in my opinion? But I may be wrong?

Maybe I have just missed the boat? Again!
Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!

 

[2020hindsight]

"GET ME that brass bound buggering box"
roared the captain
"these cabin boys split too easy !!":southpark

you've had it too easy as sea there Chaz
no controversy, lol - just cyclones and typhoons and stuff.
Ps this is a happy hour comment ok - think of it as change of watch or something

...... (seriously this para)
BTW Chaz, each and every post here would presumably make each and every one of us think about this question - and the consideratino of the question, and the fact that it gets an airing is surely a good thing .

and let's face it, it is the biggest criticism of Australia amongst our Asian neighbours, where I personally don;t know what our diplomats have to come up with to justify the present situation - keeping a straight face as they make up excuses year after year

........maybe you could think of it like this - "If we can improve our international image on this, then maybe our balance of trade will improve, we'll all be rich, you'll get rich, - happy ending" - called win win I guess

 

[wayneL]

C'Mon ASF
Grow up?

Why is this sort of topic like "Aboriginal" allowed on this site?

What has it got to do with SHARES
(if you know what I mean)

I have some great stories re ... etc etc etc

Chaza,

Just let your eyes drift upward a few inches on the page. What is the heading? It's "General Chat" isn't it? That means general topics... which really means anything other than shares.

If you only want to read share related posts, don't come into "General Chat".

Easy peezy lemon sqeezy?

 

[disarray]

Another straw man argument. Sorry, they only work on muppets.

just as well the muppets leave a paper trail

allow me to present - double standards. in response to my point that my family, friends and property are under a state of constant seige (and have been violently assaulted) by aborigines in southern sydney, this was met with ...

the clever thing is to avoid risk you have options

such as moving away from aborigines maybe? why should this be necessary if aborigines aren't a problem? or how about not going out at night time? spending yet more money on security to protect my belongings?

second item - denial. with regards to aborigines massive overrepresentation in crime statistics the point is met with

I heard it was part of the government's new training initiative, and is in keeping with "mainstreaming" aboriginal Australia.
What the heck, as BIG BWA points out, why should white fellas have all the fun

implying of course that white people are far more criminally inclined and aborigines are merely trying to keep up with the criminal joneses. unfortunately there are a raft of facts and statistics (some of which i have already posted) that show aboriginies are far far far more likely to commit criminal acts than white people.

as an interesting side note the attorney generals department has finished compiling a criminal statistics report but it won't be released to the public because it contains what we already know, but the multi-cult industry doesn't want it debated. namely that white people are massively overrepresented as victims of crime and minorities are massively overrepresented as perpetrators of crime.

finally i present hypocrisy.

Get rid of all the interlopers that arrived since the 1800s, stole their land, indroduced diseases and did a few other things that not many would be too proud aout. Hows that for a plan!

would you care to include the 51% of australians who were born overseas or are first generation? no, i didn't think so. how about the descendents of convicts who didn't have a choice to come here either?

straw men sometimes have a framework wayneL.

What has this all got to do with shares?
Absolutely nothing in my opinion? But I may be wrong?

this is the general board. feel free to not take part in this discussion.

i wonder how many of you people actually live near or with aboriginals? once again its easy to sit back and cast judgements at people and have all the good intentions in the world when the reality is no where near you.

 

[greggy]

C'Mon ASF
Grow up?

Why is this sort of topic like "Aboriginal" allowed on this site?

What has it got to do with SHARES
(if you know what I mean)

I have some great stories re The Protestants v's the Left Footers but I don't think this is the site for such rubbish

Trash the above if you think I am out of order?

I am sorry I have not read a word of the above posts as I am only focused on shares and hate to waste a minute on Trashy Titles

All I am saying is that I find the discrimation/SEPERATION in the Title as
"REVOLTING"

You could always open up a few new threads if you wish like ?

'What's it like living nextdoor to a Muslim?
What's it like living nextdoor to a Mossad agent?
What's it like living nextdoor to a White Aust Protestant?
What's it like living nextdoor to a Left-Footer?
etc etc etc

What has this all got to do with shares?
Absolutely nothing in my opinion? But I may be wrong?

Maybe I have just missed the boat? Again!
Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!

Hi Captain Chaza,

It must be getting a bit rough at sea...Better to stay off the rum to avoid a mutiny.This is definitely the General Chat part. You could always start your own General Chat thread too if you want to. This is a democracy you know.

 

[wayneL]

i wonder how many of you people actually live near or with aboriginals? once again its easy to sit back and cast judgements at people and have all the good intentions in the world when the reality is no where near you.

I live in Geraldton mate. There's heaps of them here.

 

[disarray]

so your view from the ground is .... ?

from my experience they were out of control in northbridge, and even worse now i'm back in southern sydney.

 

[greggy]

just as well the muppets leave a paper trail

allow me to present - double standards. in response to my point that my family, friends and property are under a state of constant seige (and have been violently assaulted) by aborigines in southern sydney, this was met with ...



such as moving away from aborigines maybe? why should this be necessary if aborigines aren't a problem? or how about not going out at night time? spending yet more money on security to protect my belongings?

second item - denial. with regards to aborigines massive overrepresentation in crime statistics the point is met with



implying of course that white people are far more criminally inclined and aborigines are merely trying to keep up with the criminal joneses. unfortunately there are a raft of facts and statistics (some of which i have already posted) that show aboriginies are far far far more likely to commit criminal acts than white people.

as an interesting side note the attorney generals department has finished compiling a criminal statistics report but it won't be released to the public because it contains what we already know, but the multi-cult industry doesn't want it debated. namely that white people are massively overrepresented as victims of crime and minorities are massively overrepresented as perpetrators of crime.

finally i present hypocrisy.



would you care to include the 51% of australians who were born overseas or are first generation? no, i didn't think so. how about the descendents of convicts who didn't have a choice to come here either?

straw men sometimes have a framework wayneL.



this is the general board. feel free to not take part in this discussion.

i wonder how many of you people actually live near or with aboriginals? once again its easy to sit back and cast judgements at people and have all the good intentions in the world when the reality is no where near you.

I can only speak about my own experiences. I have worked with 3 people with an Aboriginal background, 2 of whom were from the stolen gneration. To have been taken away from their parents just because they were Aboriginees was a disgusting government policy. They are nice people and have gone out with them. One of them came from far away just to be at my wedding. Its doesn't pay to generalise. I would like to see a national summit to deal with certain issues affecting the Aboriginal community. Its time to bring this country closer together. We are still the lucky country.
P.S. I'm not having a go at anyone, just relaying my own experiences.

 

[wayneL]

so your view from the ground is .... ?

from my experience they were out of control in northbridge, and even worse now i'm back in southern sydney.

There's a hard core of bad'uns. Usual problems with alchohol etc. Most are making an effort to navigate through life as best they can.

We know a few socially. Apart from colour (and a bit of sensitivity about it), they are pretty much like everyone else in a given set of circumstances.

Their sensitivity about colour issues is made up for in that they tend to be more loyal as friends.

 

[Captain_Chaza]

I live in Geraldton mate. There's heaps of them here.

Well officer Wayne

You probably wouldn't believe this but
My nextdoor nieighbours and great friends were two Aboriginal kids

It was in the mid 1950's then when it was considered by childless couples to act as good samaritans and take care /bring up as there own any aboriginal child they thought was disadvantaged

The "Doyles" were an amazing and lovely couple
They adopted these 2 children (Aboriginals) and were always better dressed than me, better fed and then even better educated


I think those two kids were very well looked after in those days and the Doyles should never be accused of a Stolen Generation
Their Aboriginal parent at the time was totally incompetant and backward in all forms of family life as understood by modern man .

Good onya Mr and Mrs Doyle
I know you did the "RIGHT THING" and brought them up to be great little human beings

Crikey! I used to call them
"The Gifted Generation" not the 'Stolen Ones"

Salute and Gods speed