ABC is Political

[noco]

Like I said, if he is deem an imminent threat to society, charge him and take him to court. If found guilty by law, sentence etc. etc.

Otherwise, you will have to presume he is innocent.. keep watch or whatever, but you cannot bar him from his right to free speech, or stop him from being in public. To demand that because he could snap and do god knows what... trust me, you don't want to live in a society where people can be lock up "just in case".

Yes and free board and lodgings thanks to the Australian tax payer.....You can bet your a$se he does not have a job......Who would dare employe him?

Nothing to do but to think and plot his next move and yes, he cannot be arrested until he again commits some stupid crime....His brain will be working overtime after last Monday.

 

[Duckman#72]

Otherwise, you will have to presume he is innocent.. keep watch or whatever, but you cannot bar him from his right to free speech, or stop him from being in public. To demand that because he could snap and do god knows what... trust me, you don't want to live in a society where people can be lock up "just in case".

You are falling into the same problem as the ABC -"that shows we are independent. Everyone is entitled to free speech etc etc".

I completely agree. He is entitled to his right to free speech - but that doesn't entitle him to be invited to share those views via a national platform like the ABC. Let him go to the local shopping centre and get on his soapbox. Let him spend his money on flyers, pamphlets and brochures encouraging the hatred, let him hire halls and community centres if he chooses - but for goodness sake don't give someone who has threatened to kill fellow Australians a free kick (sorry - it wasn't just "free", the tax payer paid for him to come into the studio!!!)

Duckman

 

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The ABC, and a day later Channel Ten with Waheed Ali taking him to task, has shown the kind of nut job this fellow is/ was. If we deny guys like M'Allah the opportunity to present their ideas on an Open Forum, they'll spread the vitriol in secret in closed social media groups and mosque "prayer groups" where they won't be exposed to counter arguments and rebuke. Are we really that immature as a society that we need our Government's spin doctors and propaganda machine to decide what we are allowed to say, hear, and think?

Not so long ago, Joseph Goebbels *) had similar ideas. Look how successful he was! It's a pity that spending cuts to our Education system are now affecting History lessons to such an extent that nobody recognises the dangers of attempts at public mind control and Government propaganda.

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Joseph Goebbels had been brought up in a Jesuit college and was a seminarian before devoting himself to literature and politics.

 

[drsmith]

Cassidy was the one who became agitated when Turnbull put him on the spot.

We know how well the ABC feels that exchange went for them by where it's appeared on their news page.

 

[luutzu]

You are falling into the same problem as the ABC -"that shows we are independent. Everyone is entitled to free speech etc etc".

I completely agree. He is entitled to his right to free speech - but that doesn't entitle him to be invited to share those views via a national platform like the ABC. Let him go to the local shopping centre and get on his soapbox. Let him spend his money on flyers, pamphlets and brochures encouraging the hatred, let him hire halls and community centres if he chooses - but for goodness sake don't give someone who has threatened to kill fellow Australians a free kick (sorry - it wasn't just "free", the tax payer paid for him to come into the studio!!!)

Duckman

I heard from a debate on ABC that the guy's against ISIS, that he's always been against them and in his blogs have said no Australian should go, that is, do not join ISIS.

ISIS is our number one enemy right?

Anyway, I don't know the details about him or what he did ten years ago.. .as far as I am concern, our court system punished him, our current security agencies deem him safe enough to not lock him up or charge him with any crime. Doesn't the fact that he had served his time, having admitted guilt for threatening to kill ASIO officers... you can argue he's not rehabilitated and is scheming etc. etc.... well let's not lock people we don't like the look and sound of shall we.

As to the ABC inviting him on... I saw the replay and thought the question was fine. He didn't encourage people to join ISIS, he said it's talks like what's his name that some Muslims and Australian chose to go.

No one was harmed during the filming, no one in the gov't thought he's that much of a danger all these ten years but suddenly he's made out to be the greatest threat and our court and law have failed us yet again. The court and the leftist lynch mob at ABC apparently.

 

[drsmith]

Larry Pickering's take,

http://pickeringpost.com/story/an-angry-turnbull-tears-cassidy-a-new-one/5060

Michael Smith,

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...-in-a-verbal-stoush-barrie-cassidys-not-.html

 

[trainspotter]

I heard from a debate on ABC that the guy's against ISIS, that he's always been against them and in his blogs have said no Australian should go, that is, do not join ISIS.

ISIS is our number one enemy right?

Anyway, I don't know the details about him or what he did ten years ago.. .as far as I am concern, our court system punished him, our current security agencies deem him safe enough to not lock him up or charge him with any crime. Doesn't the fact that he had served his time, having admitted guilt for threatening to kill ASIO officers... you can argue he's not rehabilitated and is scheming etc. etc.... well let's not lock people we don't like the look and sound of shall we.

As to the ABC inviting him on... I saw the replay and thought the question was fine. He didn't encourage people to join ISIS, he said it's talks like what's his name that some Muslims and Australian chose to go.

No one was harmed during the filming, no one in the gov't thought he's that much of a danger all these ten years but suddenly he's made out to be the greatest threat and our court and law have failed us yet again. The court and the leftist lynch mob at ABC apparently.

Man Haron Monis, anyone ,,,, anyone???

 

[luutzu]

Man Haron Monis, anyone ,,,, anyone???

So what's your solution? Lock up all Muslims? Lock up anyone critical of Australian policies? Anyone who's political?

And I'm not saying those two are the normal critics or nice or whatever... I don't know and don't care to know about them. The issue here is much bigger than them two.

There's a whole bunch of issues confronting us, a lot of questions to be raised about a free and independent press, about gov't and division of power etc. etc.... and we're focusing on some stupid kid saying stupid things ten years ago and asking dumb questions like whose side is the ABC on; isn't it reckless of the ABC to bus him together with other invitees... well, he's been catching the bus or train or ferry all these times too... who do we blame for that? Sydney Trains or Transport NSW?

If the guy is such a threat, shouldn't the blame be on the gov't for letting him roaming around our streets? Maybe Abbott might want to thank the ABC for inviting the guy on so the gov't is reminded of how threatening he is and why he's not in prison somewhere.

Reminds me of latest killing in the US... it's not the guns, or the lack of education, or the failure of economic policies that alienate certain part of the community... nope, it's the confederate flag that's the problem.

 

[SirRumpole]

So what's your solution? Lock up all Muslims? Lock up anyone critical of Australian policies? Anyone who's political?

Apparently this guy issued a tweet that said that two prominent female journalists should be publicly raped. That goes beyond freedom of speech in my book and is an incitement to violence for which he should be jailed, or at least have restrictions n his movements like being electronically monitored or having to report to police every day.

The guy is a creep and needs to be watched carefully.

 

[noco]

Greens Leftist politics continues to pervade Australia’s school curricula. Like Gillard-installed Mark Scott still ruling the agenda of our national broadcaster the ABC, the Leftist propaganda pervades Australian society as though Rudd-Gillard were still in power.

This is an extract from my post # 148 ... "Communism : It is not dead and buried."

Mark Scott is a Fabian (communist) through and through as is Gillard.

 

[SirRumpole]

Should be an interesting Four Corners tonight, allegations of Mafia infiltration of politicians and political bribery of both parties.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-...nked-to-senior-australian-politicians/6579076

 

[Tisme]

Should be an interesting Four Corners tonight, allegations of Mafia infiltration of politicians and political bribery of both parties.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-...nked-to-senior-australian-politicians/6579076

That's gotta be a Fabian conspiracy, right? Has the show been endorsed and certified by the stanchly unbiased News Corp, Bolt, Akerman, or Alan Jones? Howard Sattler been contacted to make sure Four Corners is good journalism?

Remember DCI Peter Fox and his concern about a Catholic Mafia? We have an Oz government and opposition who's spiritual obedience is at odds with the Crown's religion.

Should be good ratings tonight on Qanda tonight. Nobody puts Tony in the corner.

I think is was Barrie Cassidy who made it clear there is the High Court of Australia and then there is the ABC, followed by lesser organisations like parliament.

Just back on Akerman the grownup (not):
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...s/grubby_excuses_cannot_erase_the_abcs_shame/

 

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Apparently this guy issued a tweet that said that two prominent female journalists should be publicly raped. That goes beyond freedom of speech in my book and is an incitement to violence for which he should be jailed, or at least have restrictions n his movements like being electronically monitored or having to report to police every day.

The guy is a creep and needs to be watched carefully.

Based on that logic, shouldn't then the people holding or standing in front of signs "Ditch the Witch" (or was it "Bitch" ?) be sentenced to the same?

Grow up, people, and engage in rational argument with each other. Take the opportunity to expose creeps - whether on Left, Right, or Anarchist fringe - as just that. Credit Australians with the brains to make up their own minds!

 

[SirRumpole]

Based on that logic, shouldn't then the people holding or standing in front of signs "Ditch the Witch" (or was it "Bitch" ?) be sentenced to the same?

Grow up, people, and engage in rational argument with each other. Take the opportunity to expose creeps - whether on Left, Right, or Anarchist fringe - as just that. Credit Australia with the brains to make up their own minds!

So, are you saying it's fine that people should be allowed to encourage others to commit a crime ?

"Ditch the witch" repugnant though it is, could simply mean "throw out" in an electoral sense. I don't see how you could equate that to encouraging people to rape a woman. Commonsense should tell you that the two incidences have important differences.

 

[noco]

Should be an interesting Four Corners tonight, allegations of Mafia infiltration of politicians and political bribery of both parties.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-...nked-to-senior-australian-politicians/6579076

With the leftist Kerry O'Brien at the helm of Four Corners you can bet your boots he will do his best to associate John Howard with the mafia.
Howard was supposed to have shaken the hand of one of the mafia and it has already been alleged Howard would not have know his connection.

 

[SirRumpole]

With the leftist Kerry O'Brien at the helm of Four Corners you can bet your boots he will do his best to associate John Howard with the mafia.
Howard was supposed to have shaken the hand of one of the mafia and it has already been alleged Howard would not have know his connection.

I don't think that Howard personally would have known if an individual was a Mafioso, and certainly would have been stupid to meet with him if he did, but his party accepted donations from such people and was influenced by them.

The incident of Vanstone giving a visa to a Mafia boss is well known, how many others ?

 

[noco]

I don't think that Howard personally would have known if an individual was a Mafioso, and certainly would have been stupid to meet with him if he did, but his party accepted donations from such people and was influenced by them.

The incident of Vanstone giving a visa to a Mafia boss is well known, how many others ?

Yes, it will interesting to hear what comes out of O' Briens poisoned tongue.

 

[luutzu]

So, are you saying it's fine that people should be allowed to encourage others to commit a crime ?

"Ditch the witch" repugnant though it is, could simply mean "throw out" in an electoral sense. I don't see how you could equate that to encouraging people to rape a woman. Commonsense should tell you that the two incidences have important differences.

How about "heads should roll at ABC"?

No one is supporting the guy or support threats or violence as free speech. What we're saying is let's hear it. Let them make a fool of themselves, let hear different opinions and not just asks for heads to roll and sharpen our pitch fork whenever someone is saying something we don't like or find offensive.

Not to defend the guy but I before he ask his question, he did say something like: I was young and say and did something stupid that I served my time for... etc.

But if you listen to our gov't, it's as if the guy could have strap bombs and kill people on live TV or something.


Anyway, the bigger issue is media independence. We need it.

I don't think the ABC is that independent anyway, but at least there some debates, some in-depth analysis and investigative programming... the other media are all bought off, literally, by either the corporate sponsors or find it too much of an expense to investigate or question anything - so they simply report what the gov't say and report and focus on things that doesn't offend the sponsors' sense of "fairness".

Why do you think the gov't is making such a big deal out of this anyway? So that in the next budget, funding will be further slash and not too many "real" Australians care for it. The CEO will be replaced and the new one will find it smarter to just go along and keep everyone (in power) happy.

 

[luutzu]

With the leftist Kerry O'Brien at the helm of Four Corners you can bet your boots he will do his best to associate John Howard with the mafia.
Howard was supposed to have shaken the hand of one of the mafia and it has already been alleged Howard would not have know his connection.

The Mafia? prfft... they're small time hustlers compare to Big Business and their control and influence over government - of either party.

With the proposed Trans-Pacific free trade agreement (TPP), they will really kick Mother Nature in the face and stomp all over government and their "responsibility" towards their citizens too.

Pretty amazing how any government could ask and "consult" with industry on how to regulate them. Wouldn't it be nice if the gov't asks me how much tax I should pay or how much fine I should pay if I break the law or how I could sue them if they can't find me a job that pays my expected salary. But the same crazy scenario happens every day and we're all cool with it.

 

[SirRumpole]

How about "heads should roll at ABC"?

No one is supporting the guy or support threats or violence as free speech. What we're saying is let's hear it. Let them make a fool of themselves, let hear different opinions and not just asks for heads to roll and sharpen our pitch fork whenever someone is saying something we don't like or find offensive.

Not to defend the guy but I before he ask his question, he did say something like: I was young and say and did something stupid that I served my time for... etc.

But if you listen to our gov't, it's as if the guy could have strap bombs and kill people on live TV or something.


Anyway, the bigger issue is media independence. We need it.

I don't think the ABC is that independent anyway, but at least there some debates, some in-depth analysis and investigative programming... the other media are all bought off, literally, by either the corporate sponsors or find it too much of an expense to investigate or question anything - so they simply report what the gov't say and report and focus on things that doesn't offend the sponsors' sense of "fairness".

Why do you think the gov't is making such a big deal out of this anyway? So that in the next budget, funding will be further slash and not too many "real" Australians care for it. The CEO will be replaced and the new one will find it smarter to just go along and keep everyone (in power) happy.

No way I'm defending what Abbott said about the ABC. I'm actually congratulating the ABC for bringing this person into the spotlight and showing us the sort of person he is. Whether that was the ABC's intention is another matter, but the ABC should be 'on the side' of reality and the reality is that such people as Mallah exist and we should be aware of them.

The government's overblown rhetoric indicates, as I've said before, a ideological vendetta against the ABC.

"Heads should roll" is a stupidly extremist statement when our national leader should be taking a calm and rational approach, providing some sort of contrast to the other extremists out there.