nulla nulla
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It's interesting to see this sector get pummeled by persistent selling. Prices will get so low that value investors will start buying eventually.
Nulla, are you waiting for premium values to get into a historically attractive "buyable" range?
It's interesting to see this sector get pummeled by persistent selling. Prices will get so low that value investors will start buying eventually.
Nulla, are you waiting for premium values to get into a historically attractive "buyable" range?
It's interesting to see this sector get pummeled by persistent selling. Prices will get so low that value investors will start buying eventually.
Today it might be an up day, so I will wait a few sessions until it slips back to around $76 and then I will buy it for my super as long term income. I could get better returns buy picking a few of my own but I prefer the safety of the ETF for a slightly lower return, cheers.
The biggest recent surge in A-REIT's was driven by negative interest bank rates (Europe & Japan) pushing foreign funds into A-REIT yields. I suspect there are a lot of foreign investment funds watching for entry points (if they are not already accumulating). Property prices are drawing a lot of political comment at the moment which is contributing to the pressure on A-REIT's. How much of it is popular grandstanding and hot air remains to be seen. The opening up of more crown land for residential development could play into the hands of some of the A-REIT's such as SGP.
REITs prices have little to do with underlying property prices - that's why they are trade at a premium to NTA - it's all to do with the yield spread vs whatever risk free rate the buyer like to compare with. And it doesn't matter which rate these days... most of them are zero or less!
The NTA of a property is kind of a joke anyway. They get NTAs from "independent" valuations - which are probably as independent as S&P rating subprime mortgage CDO's. And valuations are derived by and large from the discount rate. There is not such thing as a true and tangible discount rate.... it's really what the other people are willing to pay.
And in an era where people are willing to pay NEGATIVE rates for bonds, it's no wonder that they are will to pay a high price (i.e. low discount rate) for REITs.
Just got to be careful when the sentiment reverses... which could be now.
Would it be logical to assume that whatever reason exists for selling the REIT sector, would apply to the selloffs in SYD and TCL?
Would it be logical to assume that whatever reason exists for selling the REIT sector, would apply to the selloffs in SYD and TCL?
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Absolutely.
And the utilities stocks also - APA, SKI, AST, DUE being the big ones.
And to a lessor extent - TLS.
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