She speaks in about as much spin as the majority of them do - sadly, I think Oakshott's legacy will be his 16 minute speech which isn't a true reflection of him.She certainly speaks more spin than Rudd - but she has met her match in Oakshott.
Effectively, yes. The Coalition received the highest primary vote and the highest 2PP, so it's pretty hard to see anyone able to claim the wishes of the people have been respected.Does this mean Gillard still has not been voted in by the Australian people?
Agree in particular about Wayne Swan, though the comment about his IQ might be a bit of an exaggeration. I have no idea how he can remain as Deputy PM or Treasurer. Every time he's interviewed, his responses are quasi hysterical, repetitive spin, giving little heed to the actual question asked.Well looks like we will see a price on carbon at some stage going by the interviews with no impact on climate just another tax to help drive living costs up, what happens with boats cant see any solution there either, budget in surplus by 2013 no don't think so, this will probably turn into a bigger circus at some stage, Tony Windsor I can put up with Rob Oakeshott the biggest tosser I seen don't get me started on the Greens totally scary what ideas they will throw around especially come middle of next year and to think Wayne Swan a man with a IQ in single digits stays as Treasurer for another 3 years is a complete joke.
I agree. I don't believe they didn't have their minds made up at the outset, but felt they had to go through the motions of appearing to consider both sides, plus, of course, the negotiation process has allowed them to ramp up what they get for their own electorates. I suspect their sense of triumph may be short lived.17 days for the independents to dawdle to a decision. Which for all the open-mindedness and depth of analysis displayed, might have been reached over a coffee on day 2.
That's about right, too.So it's to be 3 more years of wealth re-distribution more than it's creation, of the public sector more than the private. And electricity prices on potential breakout alert. The golden children of middle-class welfare, upon whom government handouts will continue rain like confetti, will of course be cocooned from the slightest inconvenience.
Effectively, yes. The Coalition received the highest primary vote and the highest 2PP, so it's pretty hard to see anyone able to claim the wishes of the people have been respected.
The Coalition received the ... highest 2PP,
* Across Australia 14,088,260 electors enrolled to vote.
* Currently 92.90% of the primary vote has been counted.
* The two party preferred count is 88.27% complete.
* The election results on this website were last updated at 8/09/2010 2:12:43 PM.
* This website was last published at 8/09/2010 2:29:04 PM.
Information and projections on this website are based on the votes counted to date. Calculations such as the turnout figure, level of informal votes, swings, Two Candidate Preferred (TCP) and Two Party Preferred (TPP) vote counts will change as the counting progresses. Figures and calculations on this website should not be considered final until notified as such - until then all results are indicative only.
Further explanation is available on the AEC website.
I have queried this assertion of yours on another thread too Julia.
The 2PP calculation is not yet complete, until it is we will not know which side received the highest 2PP.
The latest update on the AEC website is (my bolding to highlight the info relevant to the 2PP):
http://vtr.aec.gov.au/Default.htm
Would there be any support for Swan to be demoted and even Kevin Rudd replacing him?
Everyone is taliking about Labor being number one for middle class welfare.
Tony Abbotts child support plan where the more you earn the more you get doesn't qualify as middle class welfare??
And Howard imtroduced heaps of middle class welfare. They took it with one hand and gave it out as election sweeteners.
And aside from that, the Labor Government is now in a coalition. Gillard's position is as legitimate as Howard's was when he was part of a coalition with the Nationals.
HUH
I'm under the impression she was born in wales and migrated to south australia. Went to mitcham school then unley high school. Started uni in adelaided then went finished in melbourne?
Has she taken Australian Citizenship yet or does she travel on a United Kingdom Passport?
I'd prefer to see a simple first past the post system.Such was the closeness of the election result, that had the independents gone the other way, it could also be argued that the wishes of the people had not been respected...but this is the system we've got, maybe it needs to be changed...
OK, Timmy. Whatever you say. I was going by unchallenged comments by all involved politicians today, plus the most recent comments by Antony Green, the ABC's political analyst which were that it was most unlikely Labor would come out on top in the 2PP.I have queried this assertion of yours on another thread too Julia.
The 2PP calculation is not yet complete, until it is we will not know which side received the highest 2PP.
The latest update on the AEC website is (my bolding to highlight the info relevant to the 2PP):
http://vtr.aec.gov.au/Default.htm
Not to mention the extraordinary parental leave scheme proposed in this campaign, for which business was to be levied.Everyone is taliking about Labor being number one for middle class welfare.
Tony Abbotts child support plan where the more you earn the more you get doesn't qualify as middle class welfare??
And Howard imtroduced heaps of middle class welfare. They took it with one hand and gave it out as election sweeteners.
Still, obviously if the vote is not completely counted, you are justified in chastising me for inaccuracy.
comments by Antony Green, the ABC's political analyst which were that it was most unlikely Labor would come out on top in the 2PP.
Source: http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2010/08/who-won-the-national-2-party-preferred-vote.html (I urge anyone with an unbiased interest in the 2PP to read this whole article from Antony Green. You might find something to post to offset my carefully selected quote).In 1998 the Howard Coalition government was re-elected in majority with only 49.0% of the 2-party preferred vote.
On the 2PP issue.
In the 1998 election , Beazleys labor ended up with 50.98 % of the votes on a 2pp basis, while Howards coalition achieved 49.02%.
Despite this , the coalition won with many seats to spare, can't remember exactly, around 7 or 8 maybe more.. what this shows is that the two party preffered percentages don't really matter that much...
Just got in before me, we must be thinking alike Timmy
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Despite this , the coalition won with many seats to spare, can't remember exactly, around 7 or 8 maybe more.. what this shows is that the two party preffered percentages don't really matter that much...
Is this an official "coalition" though? In effect it is, but there is no binding ideology which might stay the distance like the Lib/Nat coalition.
This is coalition by pork barrel (i.e. bribery).
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