Defending Brett Kavanaugh

[Knobby22]

Are you saying the women should shut up for the cause and no questions asked of a permanent appointment?

 

[Tisme]

Are you saying the women should shut up for the cause and no questions asked of a permanent appointment?

Umm what part of being able to read is difficult for you ... or is it you just a poor attempt at trolling?

The woman I named is very concerned her country of birth is going down a path of no return, to a place of cemented spite, envy, hatred, where usurers conscript people with good intentions into matyrdom and book rights e.g. the coached women contriving to destroy and old school tie judge.....where is the #metoo movement protecting the women from themselves in this instance?

As she stated none of this inquisition is normal. She was First Lady Carter's right hand goto and hardly republican; she knows her way around govt. She also pointed out that none of Ford's four witnesses agreed they were even at the party Ford named. Reminds of those poor fathers back a couple of decades who were destroyed by their daughters who had false memories implanted by hypnotic psychologists.

 

[Knobby22]

Ok, thanks for the insult.
Yes I see where you are coming from and it is a good point. That Stanford Professor was probably influenced by the me too movement when she told the Democrat senator what happened and asked to keep her name secret. She was betrayed and her career will be in ruins. The me too movement hasn't protected her. especially since as you say her memories are false.

 

[CrewBear]

This is always going to be a difficult one

As a young drunken teenage boy trying to grab a girl for a fumble, they’ll be a lot of men that have fallen into that category, ashamed of their actions. But this doesn’t reflect who they are now.

That said that doesn’t make this okay.

He’s already have 6 FBI background checks but if he needs an investigation that’s fine too but we should all remember that he’s innocent until proven guilty.

The world would be a disaster if everyone is guilty until proven innocent, let’s not ruin this mans life and reputation in the process of finding out.

 

[Tisme]

Ok, thanks for the insult.
Yes I see where you are coming from and it is a good point. That Stanford Professor was probably influenced by the me too movement when she told the Democrat senator what happened and asked to keep her name secret. She was betrayed and her career will be in ruins. The me too movement hasn't protected her. especially since as you say her memories are false.

yeah, but you know I enjoy your posts so there's no malice or vitriol behind it.

 

[Tisme]

This is always going to be a difficult one

As a young drunken teenage boy trying to grab a girl for a fumble, they’ll be a lot of men that have fallen into that category, ashamed of their actions. But this doesn’t reflect who they are now.

That said that doesn’t make this okay.

He’s already have 6 FBI background checks but if he needs an investigation that’s fine too but we should all remember that he’s innocent until proven guilty.

The world would be a disaster if everyone is guilty until proven innocent, let’s not ruin this mans life and reputation in the process of finding out.

If the FBI had found him unsuitable first time around there wouldn't be another six. We are witnessing grind politics, where authorities are worn down to accept they aren't umpires but conduits for political will.

And yes every young man who finds himself in a slap and tickle situation has his mother in one ear and wee willy in the other. I don't know if ashamed is the right word, more confusion, blurred awareness and a trepidation that disappears when the girl turns up for more of the same..... validation of manliness right there

 

[CrewBear]

The think the background checks are for different appoints rather than rechecks.

A background check is very different to an investigation, with any serious allegation it needs to be investigatated but it’s important that he’s treated as innocent until proven guilty

 

[noirua]

The think the background checks are for different appoints rather than rechecks.

A background check is very different to an investigation, with any serious allegation it needs to be investigatated but it’s important that he’s treated as innocent until proven guilty

At this stage it is just a job application and the matter of guilt or otherwise does not apply. Even on the final vote it is still a job application, success or failure. The matter as far as the Senate is concerned is then closed.

 

[basilio]

Let's clear up a couple of points about the presentations and questioning of Dr Ford and Judge Kavanaugh

1) Both parties released their opening statements before the day. Dr Ford had to make sure she had a clear statement of exactly what she could (and couldn't) remember. She was also redescribing a traumatic event that had undermined her life for the past 36 years. It was difficult enough to front up for ripping off the emotional scabs and reliving the assault. Attempting to just "wing it" and talk off the top of her head as if she could control her emotions? That is completly unreasonable. And why would she risk accidentally changing anything about her statement by not reading it ?

2) Brett Kavanaugh also produced an opening statement. When Donald Trump read it he decided it was unacceptable so he rang Brett and said "You have to go an the attack !! Full throttle. Take no prisoners. " And so it was done. Brett acknowledged he was ignoring his initial paper and just did a Trump. It certainly made Trump recognise why he had chosen him as the next Supreme Court Judge and he said so.

3) Both Dr Ford and Judge Kavanaugh had to respond to the questioning of the Senate and female prosecutor. Dr Ford answered every question posed. She attempted to explore options. She explained as an expert witness why she remembered some parts of the attack but not others. The most vivid recollection she had ? The continual raucous laughter of Brett Kavanaugh and Mark Judge as they tried to rip off her clothes in their drunken state.

4) Brett Kavanaugh repeatedly refused to answer questions. He dodged, weaved, ignored and overtalked his questioners. See Canozs post 215 for a red and blue pictue comparison of their testimonies.

So who would an independent person judge was the clearest witness? Who answered the questions asked?

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A slap and tickle is a description of a couple of teenagers enjoying a hot session on the couch. Mum coming in and pricking the bubble could be an embarassment.

Having a couple of drunken guys lock you in a room, jump on you and try to rip your clothes off is sexual assault. It is not a slap and tickle. Trying to paint this assault with that language ? No surprise really for Tisme.

 

[basilio]

The 17 Most Striking Moments From the Kavanaugh Hearing
In a historic hearing, the Senate Judiciary Committee questioned Christine Blasey Ford about her sexual-assault allegation against the Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.


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4. Ford Rejects the Mistaken-Identity Theory

Feinstein: I’m sorry. I want to ask you one question about the attack itself. You are very clear about the attack, being pushed into the room. You say you don’t know quite by whom, but that it was Brett Kavanaugh that covered your mouth to prevent you from screaming. And then you escaped. How are you so sure that it was he?

Ford: The same way I’m sure I’m talking to you right now. Basic memory functions. And also just the level of norepinephrine and epinephrine in the brain that sort of, as you know, encodes that neurotransmitter encodes memories into the hippocampus, so the trauma-related experience is locked there whereas other details kind of drift.

Feinstein: So what you’re telling us is this could not be a case of mistaken identity.

Ford: Absolutely not.

5. The Most Vivid Memory of the Incident

Patrick Leahy: What is the strongest memory you have?

Ford: The strongest memory of the incident?

Leahy: Something that you cannot forget. Take whatever time you need.

Ford: Indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter, the uproarious laughter between the two. And their having fun at my expense.

Leahy: You have never forgotten that laughter. You’ve never forgotten them laughing at you.

Ford: They were laughing with each other.

Leahy: And you were the object of the laughter?

Ford: I was, you know, underneath one of them while the two laughed. Two friends having a really good time with one another.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/kavanaugh-ford-hearing/571501/

 

[SirRumpole]

Having a couple of drunken guys lock you in a room, jump on you and try to rip your clothes off is sexual assault. It is not a slap and tickle. Trying to paint this assault with that language ? No surprise really for Tisme.

I saw the same lady that Tisme did on ABC Breakfast. I doubt if she would be lying. She simply said that Ford could not back up her story, the witnesses she cited could not remember being at the party.

 

[Darc Knight]

A few points if I may: firstly this occurred during the early 80s, before Feminists destroyed truth and made it such that sexual assault includes looking at a Female.
Secondly, Ivy League spoilt brats drunk. Law students.
Thirdly, Donald Trump rang a potential Supreme Court Judge - holy Moses.
Fourth, Donald Trump got him to change his testimony -- WTF (excuse my Frenxh).
Fifth, imagine the stress this Woman is under. I can't fathom it.

 

[basilio]

I saw the same lady that Tisme did on ABC Breakfast. I doubt if she would be lying. She simply said that Ford could not back up her story, the witnesses she cited could not remember being at the party.

Back track a bit please.

No one else at the party knew about the assault at the time. Dr Ford escaped without going back into the rest of the group.
Would they remember being at a particular probably unmemorable party after 36 years ? Maybe . I couldn't be sure in a month of sundays.

Would they want to remember being at the party ? Probably a more pertinent question. After seeing what has happened to Dr Ford as a result of her accusations I can see many people not wanting to follow her path of noteriety and all of the kids at this party were part of the elite social group.

But if one was looking for independent confirmation of the party and the assault how does this stack up?
Kavanaugh Accuser’s Schoolmate Says Assault Was Chatter at School Afterward
Cristina King Miranda went to all-girls prep school with Christine Blasey Ford
Posted Sep 19, 2018 3:28 PM
Griffin Connolly
The entrance to the Holton Arms School in Bethesda, Maryland, is shown recently.

A classmate of Christine Blasey Ford, who attended the all-girls prep school, backed up her accusation that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, who attended the all-boys Georgetown Preparatory School, assaulted her when the two were students. (Win McNamee/Getty Images)

An schoolmate of Christine Blasey Ford, the California psychology professor who has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her when they were in high school, backed Ford’s claim Wednesday in a letter she posted to Facebook.

“Christine Blasey Ford was a year or so behind me, I remember her,” wrote Cristina King Miranda, who graduated a year ahead of Ford at Holton-Arms School in Bethesda, Maryland. Holton-Arms is an all-girls school whose students frequently socialized with Kavanaugh’s all-male alma mater, Georgetown Prep.

“This incident did happen,” Miranda wrote. “Many of us heard about it in school and Christine’s recollection should be more than enough for us to truly, deeply know that the accusation is true.”

Ford told the Washington Post she was afraid Kavanaugh might “inadvertently kill” her during a high school party in the early 1980s, alleging that the Supreme Court nominee pinned her to a bed and groped her over a one-piece bathing suit.

Miranda, who works in Mexico City as a performing arts curator, described in her letter a rampant drinking culture among the elite prep schools in the Washington area.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/polit...oolmate-says-assault-chatter-school-afterward

 

[basilio]

Trump to Kavanaugh before hearing: Be strong in your denials
By Ruth Brown

September 27, 2018 | 10:49am

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President Trump phoned Brett Kavanaugh ahead of Thursday’s hearing into sex assault allegations against the Supreme Court nominee, offering him support and advice, according to a report.

Trump told Kavanaugh to be strong and aggressive in his denials, and not to be afraid to push back against the accusations against him, “someone familiar with the call” told CNN.
https://nypost.com/2018/09/27/trump-to-kavanaugh-before-hearing-be-strong-in-your-denials/

 

[Darc Knight]

So many people have so much to lose by getting involved. These are rich, well connected people - "don't get involved, don't get involved" would be the mantra from family and friends of those who could be witnesses.

Christine Ford would probably be depressed and potentially suicidal. Her marriage would be in trouble from all the stress. It's sad, its wrong!

 

[luutzu]

This is always going to be a difficult one

As a young drunken teenage boy trying to grab a girl for a fumble, they’ll be a lot of men that have fallen into that category, ashamed of their actions. But this doesn’t reflect who they are now.

That said that doesn’t make this okay.

He’s already have 6 FBI background checks but if he needs an investigation that’s fine too but we should all remember that he’s innocent until proven guilty.

The world would be a disaster if everyone is guilty until proven innocent, let’s not ruin this mans life and reputation in the process of finding out.

Say what?

Man, you must have hang out with the wrong kind of crowd to generalise like that about teenage boys or men.

I don't know teenage boy or grown men who gets drunk and "grab a girl for a fumble"... and not either be beaten up or be taken to court when they're seen doing it.

She alleged that as a 15 year old girl at a friend's party, on her way to a bathroom upstairs she was pushed into a bedroom; the door was locked behind her with two males turning up the music, laughing their azzes off as one of them got on top of her, trying to get her clothes off to rape her.

That's attempted rape, it would have been rape if the other douche didn't also jumped on and she managed to get away when the rapist fell over.

That's not "a fumble".

And no one is saying he should be locked up because Dr Ford said he was the one trying to rape her. All they're asking for is that the FBI should look into it because her statement are credible, she have named another witness in the room etc. etc.

If that republican Senator didn't vote to have the FBI look into it, the GOP would have moved his nomination to the final stage where it's very possible he would be appoint a Justice for life.

 

[basilio]

So many people have so much to lose by getting involved. These are rich, well connected people - "don't get involved, don't get involved" would be the mantra from family and friends of those who could be witnesses.

Christine Ford would probably be depressed and potentially suicidal. Her marriage would be in trouble from all the stress. It's sad, its wrong!

She has been doxed and has had to leave her home and go to another house with security guards. Her email has been hacked and people have been sending out messages in her name refuting her testimony.


Now that Ford has become a symbol for American women, it's unlikely she'll fade into anonymity
Coming forward threw her life into chaos and her testimony riveted the country, but she hasn’t discussed her plans for the future

Erin Durkin in New York

Sat 29 Sep 2018 01.00 EDT

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Christine Blasey Ford is sworn in before testifying before the Senate judiciary committee on 27 September. Photograph: POOL/Reuters
When Christine Blasey Ford stepped before the Senate judiciary committee to detail her alleged assault by Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh when they were both teenagers, she was, in her own words, “terrified”.

She described an attack that she said had jolted her life – even before the man whom she alleges is responsible for it became a nominee to the country’s highest court. Before her account became public and threw his nomination into jeopardy, and before she became one of the most visible sexual assault accusers since the advent of the #MeToo movement.

Ford, 51, recounted insisting that two front doors be fitted when she and her husband remodeled their home. She suffered, she said, from anxiety and post-traumatic stress symptoms, including claustrophobia and panic disorder. She struggled academically at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and had trouble forming new friendships, especially with boys.

Yet Ford moved on – and across the country – leaving the well-off suburban Maryland area where she grew up and attended the all-girls private school Holton-Arms, and established herself as a well-respected professor of psychology at Palo Alto University and researcher at Stanford. Some of her research dealt with how people recover after trauma. She married her husband Russell Ford more than fifteen years ago, and they had two children.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-women-its-unlikely-shell-fade-into-anonymity

 

[luutzu]

I saw the same lady that Tisme did on ABC Breakfast. I doubt if she would be lying. She simply said that Ford could not back up her story, the witnesses she cited could not remember being at the party.

That's not what I heard.

The other people she named simply say that they do not remember the alleged rape attempt. They were downstairs and did not know anything about it. That's all they say.

Dr Ford did not accuse them of anything. She said that she was at a party where they were also at... I think it's one of their house.

Kavo's diary did show that he was at that party. Or at least a party with the people Dr Ford named. We didn't get to know because the GOP senators stopped their hired lawyer from asking Kavo further.

The FBI will though.

 

[basilio]

Another persepctive on Brett Kananaugh for the Supreme Court.
The Jesuit Review


Politics & SocietyEditorials
The Editors: It is time for the Kavanaugh nomination to be withdrawn

Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee today clearly demonstrated both the seriousness of her allegation of assault by Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh and the stakes of this question for the whole country. Judge Kavanaugh denied the accusation and emphasized in his testimony that the opposition of Democratic senators to his nomination and their consequent willingness to attack him was established long before Dr. Blasey’s allegation was known.

Evaluating the credibility of these competing accounts is a question about which people of good will can and do disagree. The editors of this review have no special insight into who is telling the truth. If Dr. Blasey’s allegation is true, the assault and Judge Kavanaugh’s denial of it mean that he should not be seated on the U.S. Supreme Court. But even if the credibility of the allegation has not been established beyond a reasonable doubt and even if further investigation is warranted to determine its validity or clear Judge Kavanaugh’s name, we recognize that this nomination is no longer in the best interests of the country. While we previously endorsed the nomination of Judge Kavanaugh on the basis of his legal credentials and his reputation as a committed textualist, it is now clear that the nomination should be withdrawn.

The nomination of Judge Kavanaugh has become a referendum on how to address allegations of sexual assault.

If this were a question of establishing Judge Kavanaugh’s legal or moral responsibility for the assault described by Dr. Blasey, then far more stringent standards of proof would apply. His presumption of innocence might settle the matter in his favor, absent further investigation and new evidence. But the question is not solely about Judge Kavanaugh’s responsibility, nor is it any longer primarily about his qualifications. Rather it is about the prudence of his nomination and potential confirmation. In addition to being a fight over policy issues, which it already was, his nomination has also become a referendum on how to address allegations of sexual assault.

https://www.americamagazine.org/pol...ors-it-time-kavanaugh-nomination-be-withdrawn

Five questions (and answers) about Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court Nomination
https://www.americamagazine.org/pol...-answers-about-brett-kavanaughs-supreme-court

 

[SirRumpole]

I don't see why you are so hyped up about Kavanaugh bas, it's all happening in another country, zero relevance to us here at the bottom of the world.