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How do the 2 million Palestinian refugees in Gaza live? What has been the effect of 11 years of Israeli economic sanctions which have reduced living conditions to penury ?

This was an incredibly sad story to read. Any thoughts ?

A suicide in Gaza
How the death of a talented young Palestinian writer brought to light a sharp rise in suicides. By Sarah Helm

Fri 18 May 2018 06.00 BST Last modified on Fri 18 May 2018 11.06 BST

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When Mohanned Younis, a 22-year-old student, returned to his home in a relatively prosperous part of Gaza City one night last August, he was in an agitated state. He had been depressed, his mother, Asma, recalled. But she was not too worried when he locked himself in his room.
A talented writer whose short stories, many posted on his Facebook page, had won a wide audience, Mohanned was about to graduate in pharmacy, expecting excellent grades. In his writing, he gave voice to the grief and despair of his generation. Only books gave him some escape. He often shut himself away to read and write, or to work out with his punch bag.

The next morning, Mohanned didn’t stir. When Asma, helped by her brother Assad, broke into his room, they found him dead. He had asphyxiated himself.

Such was Mohanned’s social media following that news of his death reverberated across Gaza and beyond with a flood of shock, sadness and admiration. “He was a fighter who only had his sad stories to fight with,” was one of many comments posted on Facebook. But the very public mourning for the death of a talented young writer meant that Mohanned’s suicide was not just one more tragedy in a territory where thousands of young lives are cut short. Now it was impossible to deny what many had been whispering: the misery of the siege and despair for the future, especially among the most talented young Gazans, was leading to a disturbing upsurge in suicides.

...If the world’s cameras were to move a little deeper into Gaza, into the streets and behind the doors of people’s homes, they would see the desperation in almost every home. After 10 years of siege, the 2 million people of Gaza, living packed on a tiny strip, find themselves without work, their economy killed off, without the bare essentials for decent life – electricity or running water – and without any hope of freedom, or any sign that their situation will change. The siege is fracturing minds, pushing the most vulnerable to suicide in numbers never seen before.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/may/18/a-suicide-in-gaza
 
Check out this description of the Gaze s strip, it's community and the economic pressures it faces from Israel.
Israel-Palestinian conflict: Life in the Gaza Strip
  • 15 May 2018
Home to 1.9 million people, Gaza is 41km (25 miles) long and 10km wide, an enclave bounded by the Mediterranean Sea, Israel and Egypt.

Originally occupied by Egypt, which retains control of Gaza's southern border, the territory was captured by Israel during the 1967 Middle East war. Israel withdrew its troops and around 7,000 settlers in 2005.

It is under the control of the Palestinian Authority, and between 2007 and 2014 was ruled by the militant Islamist group Hamas. They won Palestinian legislative elections in 2006 but then had a violent rift with the rival Fatah faction.
 
I guess they could start by giving Palestinians statehood. Repressing people and making violence the only way out for them does no good.

Some 95% of its water are not drinkable.

The Israeli controls everything that goes in and out of the place. They even, literally, count the calorie per person.

With the latest protests, over 100 killed and some 12,000 maimed.

When they peacefully protest they get picked out by snipers. When they join Hamas they get labelled terrorists and get slaughtered.

I guess Israel have been doing this for 70 years so reckon they can just keep it going until hell freezes over.
 
Some 95% of its water are not drinkable.

The Israeli controls everything that goes in and out of the place. They even, literally, count the calorie per person.

With the latest protests, over 100 killed and some 12,000 maimed.

When they peacefully protest they get picked out by snipers. When they join Hamas they get labelled terrorists and get slaughtered.

It makes me think of the Jewish ghettos the Nazis created in Germany, Poland etc.
They learnt the lessons well...:(
 
Seeing the figures of economic control, deprivation and domination is one thing. However the story of widespread suicide, despairing drug abuse and an epidemic of post traumatic stress in The Long Read (the first story I posted) is devestating.
 
Col. Richard Kemp took the floor on behalf of UN Watch at today's emergency session of the United Nations Human Rights Council to dispel lies:

"I commanded British troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Balkans and Northern Ireland, and served with NATO and the United Nations. I have come straight from the Gaza front line to share my assessment.

Based on what I observed, I can say that everything we just heard here is a complete distortion of the truth.

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The truth is that Hamas, a terrorist organization that seeks the destruction of Israel and murder of Jews everywhere, deliberately caused over 60 of its own people to get killed..."

Full text: https://www.unwatch.org/col-kemp-un-ga…/


 
It makes me think of the Jewish ghettos the Nazis created in Germany, Poland etc.
They learnt the lessons well...:(
One mans victim, is another mans oppressor.
The Arabs want the Jews gone though. Iran is one of the bigger threats.

The middle east is just a mess though.
 
It makes me think of the Jewish ghettos the Nazis created in Germany, Poland etc.
They learnt the lessons well...:(

Strange isn't it.

Though I think they differentiate themselves as Zionist and Jewish. Some Jews don't see themselves as Zionist. But whatever the separation, they know the history... and I heard from some interview that the Israeli state made a mandatory excursion to Auschwitz as part of the school curriculum.

How do you go to a concentration camp where genocide and mass murder took place then figured it's your obligation to do the same on another group of people? Wrong lessons to draw from I reckon.

I mean, defend your country and your people. Sure. But to take more and more of their land, give them no hope of a future, then shoot to kill when they rises up. That's not how you keep the peace and protect your people... that's just old fashion imperialism.
 
Col. Richard Kemp took the floor on behalf of UN Watch at today's emergency session of the United Nations Human Rights Council to dispel lies:

"I commanded British troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Balkans and Northern Ireland, and served with NATO and the United Nations. I have come straight from the Gaza front line to share my assessment.

Based on what I observed, I can say that everything we just heard here is a complete distortion of the truth.

...
The truth is that Hamas, a terrorist organization that seeks the destruction of Israel and murder of Jews everywhere, deliberately caused over 60 of its own people to get killed..."

Full text: https://www.unwatch.org/col-kemp-un-ga…/




Independent journalists and international observers say that that's not true.

And even if it is true that Hamas force some 100, 000 people to march and protest to the fence... it is still within their border, where were no serious threat to Israeli soldiers or sovereignty; no weapons or rockets or missiles, just burnt tyres, rocks sling from hundreds of metres away.

Does that excuse sniper attack and maiming, permanently, some 12000 people with not just live bullets, but butterfly bullets designed to permanently maim them for life.

Shooting unarmed civilian is a war crime.
 
Independent journalists and international observers say that that's not true.

And even if it is true that Hamas force some 100, 000 people to march and protest to the fence... it is still within their border, where were no serious threat to Israeli soldiers or sovereignty; no weapons or rockets or missiles, just burnt tyres, rocks sling from hundreds of metres away.

Does that excuse sniper attack and maiming, permanently, some 12000 people with not just live bullets, but butterfly bullets designed to permanently maim them for life.

Shooting unarmed civilian is a war crime.
When you have 100,000 people on a border such as Israel then you are not going to wait around and find out if they are going to break through......Do not want to get killed or injured then do not send that many people on the border...simple......Hamas is the instigators of this we all know that....
 
This is how the Israelis are contrlolling the demonstrations. 12,000 plus people wounded through sniper fire. (I wonder how many medals these soldiers will get for their efforts ?)


Palestinians face explosive bullets, dangerous gas bombs
Demonstrators suffer wounds of 'unusual severity' as Israeli forces introduce deadlier weapons in Gaza protests

by Mersiha Gadzo
4 May 2018
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A demonstrator hurls back a tear gas canister fired by Israeli troops during a protest at the Israel-Gaza border [Ibraheem Abu Mustafa/Reuters]
more on Israeli–Palestinian conflict
When he was hit by a bullet fired by Israeli forces during demonstrations in Gaza on April 6, Mohammed al-Zaieem lost so much blood, and his left leg was so deformed, he feared he wouldn't survive.

His arteries, veins and a large piece of bone were destroyed. His right leg wasn't spared either as the round created a massive exit wound and then hit it as well.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/f...lets-dangerous-gas-bombs-180501091514736.html
 
When you have 100,000 people on a border such as Israel then you are not going to wait around and find out if they are going to break through......Do not want to get killed or injured then do not send that many people on the border...simple......Hamas is the instigators of this we all know that....

It's a peaceful protest. It's against international law to shoot at unarmed people.

Secondly, from a Canadian doctor who was there, and was shot by Israeli snipers - four members of his team was picked out, one of them died. The doctor was lucky he was shot with a normal bullet else he'd be amputated already...

From that and other interview, the protests was hundreds of metres away from the fence.

Second, the fence isn't just 1 fence but a series of barbed wire fences, ditches and mounts. The Israeli corp of engineer went into what is technically the Palestinian side of the fence [the Israeli don't call it a border because that would give the impression that Gaza and Palestine is a state of its own].

So within Gaza's own borders, bulldozers set up mounts for snipers and other brave warriors standing behind all the baricades and take out "Hamas".

They don't shoot at those approaching the fence either. They pick out targets who just stand around. Doctors, emergency works, the press, kids, women.

A double amputee on a wheel chair was shot dead. I'm no warrior myself but if I'm properly warmed and hundreds of meters away from a wheel chair double amputee, I'd feel pretty comfortable about my safety. Especially when the guy doesn't have any weapons on him.
 
It just looks like " institutional murder" doesn't it ? Highly trained soldiers with long range rifles using explosive ammo on doctors, amputees and anyone with a pulse that stays still long enough to be a target.

And all under the pretext that they are defending their country (or not being courtmartialed for disobeying orders)

I can totally understand why Israel wouldn't want an independent examination of this atrocity. It would just spell out what everybody knows - they are a State that knows no limits and has completely lost it's moral conscience.
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There is another side to this story which came out in the discussion about the despair in Gaza. It's probably true that some Palestinians walked to the wires to be shot. Their despair is now so total, the realisation they will be summarily executed by the Israeli snipers is seen as a small light of freedom. The sad fact is they have probaly been "humanely" maimed and next time they will have to be wheeled to the wire to encourage a final solution to their fate.

In the Nazi concentration camps, walking to the wire to either be shot by guards or electrouted was one of the more popular ways out when people had given up hope.
 
One mans victim, is another mans oppressor.
The Arabs want the Jews gone though. Iran is one of the bigger threats.

The middle east is just a mess though.

If another group of people comes into your country and set about redrawing the map, expelling your people... you'd probably want them out too.

But the reality is that Israel have a lot of money and weapons, receives a few billions a year in US military aids; God knows how much more from wealthy Jewish believers around the world; who knows how much more from Evangelical Christians.

That and they have nukes. You don't mess with countries that have nukes.

So the idea that the Arabs are all united and want to drive the Israelis into the sea (hence the need to shoot innocent Palestinians and for Uncle Sam to take out Iran :cautious:)... That's just nonsense.

It's been proven nonsensical since at least the 1968 war.

In that war, as in all lawn mowing exercise and other need to protect themselves... Israel was not defending itself against the Arabs. Historical documents etc. have shown that Israel was pulling its "Greater Israel" strategy. i.e. take more of Syria and Lebanon, take more of Jordan and completely take over the Sinai Peninsular.

They went ahead thinking they will win because they perceive the Arabs as disunified, weak and weren't prepared.

Egypt's Sadat [?] warned them to leave the Sinai Peninsular alone. He was willing to sacrifice Gaza etc. But nope. Kissinger permit the Israeli to go ahead, figuring they'll at least expand to that rive and the sea God promises.

They kinda got pushed back, the oil embargo hurt the US and, from memory, the yank tell them to go back home, again.

But that (mis)adventure got reinterpreted and it was the brave Israeli standing up against the Arabs who try to wipe them off the map.

Though after that war, US planners begin to give serious thought to Israel being another one of its land-based aircraft carrier.

Before the 68 war, US presidents and politicians only pay lip service to Israel being a friend. It was done mostly to please the Evangelical base who like the Jews having all the promised land so that Jesus can come back and kill everybody.

But after the war the US figured they too could play that Jews vs Arab card. Diversity their vassal state beyond Saudi Arabia and the Shah in Iran. Just in case a few Arabs rises up, you can always arm the Jews and tell the world it's one of those Jews/Arab animosity.

But with the widespead alternative news sources, a less religious Jewish/American generation who don't really identified themselves with whatever Israeli do being God's way. Soon enough the American public will let it be known that they are indifferent to Israel being a Jewish state... then the Yank will tell Knesset to cut out the racist crap and get a Nobel Peace prize or two.
 
It just looks like " institutional murder" doesn't it ? Highly trained soldiers with long range rifles using explosive ammo on doctors, amputees and anyone with a pulse that stays still long enough to be a target.

And all under the pretext that they are defending their country (or not being courtmartialed for disobeying orders)

I can totally understand why Israel wouldn't want an independent examination of this atrocity. It would just spell out what everybody knows - they are a State that knows no limits and has completely lost it's moral conscience.
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There is another side to this story which came out in the discussion about the despair in Gaza. It's probably true that some Palestinians walked to the wires to be shot. Their despair is now so total, the realisation they will be summarily executed by the Israeli snipers is seen as a small light of freedom. The sad fact is they have probaly been "humanely" maimed and next time they will have to be wheeled to the wire to encourage a final solution to their fate.

In the Nazi concentration camps, walking to the wire to either be shot by guards or electrouted was one of the more popular ways out when people had given up hope.

Yea. Good point.

I saw an interview with a journalist on the ground there who said he asked people why they protest and want to reach the barb wires. They know they can't cross it and will most likely be shot dead.

They were saying that yea, they know they'll be shot but it give them a sense of freedom. To tell the world what's happening.

I guess it's despair and giving the finger to your oppressors.
 
But despite the protests’ non-violent origins and goals, events unfolded rather differently. As is common in civil resistance movements, a violent fringe emerged.

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Palestinian protesters set fire to tyres at the Gaza border. EPA/Atef Safadi
Ahead of the demonstrations, Israel warned the protesters that it would shoot anyone who came within 300 metres of the fence. Hamas duly took the opportunity to stake its claim on the protests, giving its workers time off to join the largest demonstrations on May 14 and 15. Young men affiliated with Hamas set tyres alight, threw stones and Molotov cocktails, and tried to breach the fence. These actions combined with Hamas’s specific involvement gave Israel justification for the use of force.

As the dust settles from the resulting violence, further investigations can determine who exactly was killed by the Israeli army, under what immediate circumstances, and how and when the balance between violent and non-violent methods shifted. It’s all part of the same old game: the fate of the peaceful protesters’ cause depends how these demonstrations are framed, and therefore, on who is able to take control of the narrative.
 
But despite the protests’ non-violent origins and goals, events unfolded rather differently. As is common in civil resistance movements, a violent fringe emerged.

file-20180517-155607-f31q50.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.jpg

Palestinian protesters set fire to tyres at the Gaza border. EPA/Atef Safadi
Ahead of the demonstrations, Israel warned the protesters that it would shoot anyone who came within 300 metres of the fence. Hamas duly took the opportunity to stake its claim on the protests, giving its workers time off to join the largest demonstrations on May 14 and 15. Young men affiliated with Hamas set tyres alight, threw stones and Molotov cocktails, and tried to breach the fence. These actions combined with Hamas’s specific involvement gave Israel justification for the use of force.

As the dust settles from the resulting violence, further investigations can determine who exactly was killed by the Israeli army, under what immediate circumstances, and how and when the balance between violent and non-violent methods shifted. It’s all part of the same old game: the fate of the peaceful protesters’ cause depends how these demonstrations are framed, and therefore, on who is able to take control of the narrative.


Interview with the doctor that got shot.

Remember that these are sniper fire. It's not random. During first five weeks no medics or emergency crew were injured. In the 6th weeks a few team got shot at.

The thing to remember too is that Israel export these tools and methods of crowd control. As those Water Protectors and activists in the US found out... it's not going to be pleasant when the security forces are trained to see you peaceful activists as potential terrorist.

 
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