Guns

[Tisme]

So thats why Malcolm Turnball, Derryne Hinch and even Pauline Hansen think this is sick and tasteless and basically dog whistling.
By the way which other variations of the "joke " are just as funny ?

Just imagine the screams from Bolt and co if anyone else except some like George Christensen made such a "joke".

I'd see it for what it is and it ain't dog whistling, if anything it's very wysiwyg.... the guy just wants to pick an overt social media hurt with the sooky greens.

Best the Powerpuff girl sticks with what she knows ....... which isn't a lot.

 

[SirRumpole]

I'd see it for what it is and it ain't dog whistling, if anything it's very wysiwyg.... the guy just wants to pick an overt social media hurt with the sooky greens.

Best the Powerpuff girl sticks with what she knows ....... which isn't a lot.

Yeah well, we just had murder in NSW of a government landcare worker by a deranged farmer , and this sort of stunt by Christensen could provoke more of that guns are the only answer type cr@p.

 

[basilio]

The Clint Eastwood black humour gag about "Are you feeling lucky punk" had it's place. It was about a vigilante cop toying with a single, known "baddie".

One baddie, one dark vigilante cop.

When you replace the singular "punk" with a collective plural (green punks) and take way the context of a single vigilante cop the black humour disappears and it becomes a call to arms to attack a collective group of people - but in a fun way....

The Greens candidate Ben Pennings in the Bowen region has already had 100 plus threats in the past two months. His house, his wife and children have been identified by anonoymous trolls. George's contribution was just another bucket of petrol on the fire.

 

[Tisme]

Yeah well, we just had murder in NSW of a government landcare worker by a deranged farmer , and this sort of stunt by Christensen could provoke more of that guns are the only answer type cr@p.

So now we are going to get into the days when Abbott accused Rudd of murder?

I don't/won't agree that we should modify our behaviours to cater to lowest common denominators. The test has always been the man on a Bondi Tram.

 

[Tisme]

The Clint Eastwood black humour gag about "Are you feeling lucky punk" had it's place. It was about a vigilante cop toying with a single, known "baddie".

One baddie, one dark vigilante cop.

When you replace the singular "punk" with a collective plural (green punks) and take way the context of a single vigilante cop the black humour disappears and it becomes a call to arms to attack a collective group of people - but in a fun way....

The Greens candidate Ben Pennings in the Bowen region has already had 100 plus threats in the past two months. His house, his wife and children have been identified by anonoymous trolls. George's contribution was just another bucket of petrol on the fire.

You don't know that. It's sheer speculation based on some scheme your shrewd side has come up with.

Should I stop swapping points of view with you...afterall it was you who made threats against me?

 

[SirRumpole]

So now we are going to get into the days when Abbott accused Rudd of murder?

I don't/won't agree that we should modify our behaviours to cater to lowest common denominators. The test has always been the man on a Bondi Tram.

I just don't see anything that can be achieved by doing this. I can think of a lot of stuff that Christensen would complain about if directed at him.

 

[BlownAccount]

You're joking ...right?

"guns don't kill people" = inane denial of responsibility. Why not go further down the chain and say the trauma caused by the bullet, that was shot from the gun, that was made for profit, that was activated by a person with premeditated purpose of mind, etc ... killed people.

"the war on drugs causes the issue" ...can you segue personal accountability and responsibility any further than that.

People like you should leave the Pontius Pilate routine back in 33AD and staring getting your conscience hands dirty instead of wiping them.

Nope not joking. Denial of responsibility you say? I am the one stating that essentially all objects and substances can be used to kill, so people need to be held responsible for thier own actions. 99 % of people who own fire arms dont kill people. Owning a gun doesnt make one a murder.
Whats so hard to understand about the prohibition on drug use creating a trillion dollar black industry responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousand of people. Just on the Mexican border in the last ten years there has been more than 60K deaths.

 

[BlownAccount]

So now we are going to get into the days when Abbott accused Rudd of murder?

I don't/won't agree that we should modify our behaviours to cater to lowest common denominators. The test has always been the man on a Bondi Tram.

I agree whole heartedly regarding not modifying our behaviours to cater to the lowest common denominators and yet you seem to be contridicting your earlier arguements.

 

[moXJO]

Just on the Mexican border in the last ten years there has been more than 60K deaths.

60k!! Thats a lot.
what did they die from?

 

[BlownAccount]

60k!! Thats a lot.
what did they die from?

Trauma due to an unregulated trillion dollar industry where the participants use violence as an investment vehicle.

 

[Tisme]

Nope not joking. Denial of responsibility you say? I am the one stating that essentially all objects and substances can be used to kill, so people need to be held responsible for thier own actions. 99 % of people who own fire arms dont kill people. Owning a gun doesnt make one a murder.
Whats so hard to understand about the prohibition on drug use creating a trillion dollar black industry responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousand of people. Just on the Mexican border in the last ten years there has been more than 60K deaths.

Well we agree that people are responsible for the reprehensible, not the tools of their misadventure ... unless of course you are a Green, then it's everyone else's fault.

Drugs...... can't come at legalising drugs after seeing what addiction has done to my family.

 

[Tisme]

I just don't see anything that can be achieved by doing this. I can think of a lot of stuff that Christensen would complain about if directed at him.

Christensen is a self propelling half wit. I'm guessing Young sees him as low hanging fruit to further her public profile.

He posts an obviously silly tweet and mentions only "green punks", but Young decides it's all about her and makes up yarns that so did the nutters out there and sent threats as a result.

Bas gets on the bandwagon so he/she can prolong his/her hate for me, like I made the tweet or something.

 

[Tisme]

The Greens candidate Ben Pennings in the Bowen region has already had 100 plus threats in the past two months. His house, his wife and children have been identified by anonoymous trolls. George's contribution was just another bucket of petrol on the fire.

So Pennings is a candidate out on the hustings, raising his profile in hostile political territory and he is being trolled on social media.

Let's make the chain in it's entirety = Clint Eastwood acts as a character "Dirty" Harry Callahan, people spend money and watch the film, the film is a great success and a cliche is born "Do you feel lucky punk etc"., every kid and many conversations from then on include "do you feel lucky punk" and presumably not all of those using the phrase are dead by their own tongue.

It's obvious that the people responsible are those aiding and abetting the vulgarity, i.e. those who paid to see it. The solution would have to be to ban the film series, censor what people can say , think and do and the world will return to the safe haven it was before 1971,

 

[moXJO]

Trauma due to an unregulated trillion dollar industry where the participants use violence as an investment vehicle.

Top answer.

 

[basilio]

So which of these variations of Dirty Harry's line "Do you feel lucky, punk " are humourous ?

"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky filthy wogs ? " or how about
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky mussie towelheads ?" or what about
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky racist dumb white xhit? or
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky greenie punk ?
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky rabid unxuckable feminist ?
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky you uppity nigga ?

Which groups singled out for such a humourous joke would feel a warm, happy glow ? And then of course if these comments were made on public forums what would other people think about
1) The groups being described
2) The people doing the describing.

From my perspective I see an overwhelming range of people recognising that what passes for a bit of black humour in Dirty Harry takes on a completly different tone when the target is not one "baddie ' but a whole denigrated group who are lablled as "baddies" by the joke.

George Christensons "joke" was a shrill dog whistle that had totally predictable results in terms of unleashing a torrent of abuse on "greenies" or fellow travellers. I supose what concerns me the most is the total lack of empathy by Tisme for the effect this tag had on hundreds of people as well as the quality of public discourse.

And this guy Represents the public in Parliament.

You gotta ask yourself, what the xuck ?

 

[SirRumpole]

From my perspective I see an overwhelming range of people recognising that what passes for a bit of black humour in Dirty Harry takes on a completly different tone when the target is not one "baddie ' but a whole denigrated group who are lablled as "baddies" by the joke.

Exactly. Although I don't always agree with the Greens I wouldn't characterise them as a group that deserves to be on the wrong side of a Magnum .44.

 

[Macquack]

Guns are an inanimate object. Guns don't kill people, people do. One could cause the same outcome with 20 ltr fuel container and a box of matches in a crowded place. Some people are simply scared of everything...

You must be a member of the NRA with that nonsense.

 

[bellenuit]

Guns are an inanimate object. Guns don't kill people, people do.

People with guns kill people. And they do it more efficiently than people without guns.

One could cause the same outcome with 20 ltr fuel container and a box of matches in a crowded place.

Yes. But it is much harder to conceal a 20 litre fuel container and would be quite difficult to get it into a school with our rising an alarm. A gun is much easier to conceal and an AR can do tremendous damage to those close and afar.

 

[moXJO]

So which of these variations of Dirty Harry's line "Do you feel lucky, punk " are humourous ?

"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky filthy wogs ? " or how about
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky mussie towelheads ?" or what about
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky racist dumb white xhit? or
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky greenie punk ?
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky rabid unxuckable feminist ?
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky you uppity nigga ?

All of them but "greenie punk" are kinda humourous. Probably shouldn't have added "uppity filthy" etc.

 

[SirRumpole]

All of them but "greenie punk" are kinda humourous. Probably shouldn't have added "uppity filthy" etc.

How about "elitist, IPA ideologs, Christian Conservative" punks ?