Guns

[Tisme]

Worth a revisit, given last nights events:

 

[bellenuit]

 

[DB008]

 

[BlownAccount]

Guns are an inanimate object. Guns don't kill people, people do. One could cause the same outcome with 20 ltr fuel container and a box of matches in a crowded place. Some people are simply scared of everything...
A major catalyst for the often quoted numbers of gun deaths in the US is the governments failed reasoning in banning drugs. The war on drugs causes the issue. My view is if you cant keep drugs out of prison then why even try to keep them out of a country.

 

[SirRumpole]

Guns are an inanimate object. Guns don't kill people, people do. One could cause the same outcome with 20 ltr fuel container and a box of matches in a crowded place. Some people are simply scared of everything...
A major catalyst for the often quoted numbers of gun deaths in the US is the governments failed reasoning in banning drugs. The war on drugs causes the issue. My view is if you cant keep drugs out of prison then why even try to keep them out of a country.

Yeah, well, you can't drive anywhere in the US over 100 kmh. Why ? Because you might kill someone !

That shows the stupidity of the gun laws.

 

[BlownAccount]

I would say that a lot of bad behaviour is moderated due to the fact that ordinary people and not just criminals have guns in the US. Whilst we can have opinions on the issue of gun ownership it is essentially not our business, it is for the American citizen to decide. Some would say that the mechanisms within the consitution are restrictive and others would say they help preserve the freedoms in the US. We dont even have a bill of rights in Australia. We cant even protect our personhood or property with guns. I have been camped out in remote Australia and would enjoy the benifit of having a pistol on my belt.

 

[moXJO]

I would say that a lot of bad behaviour is moderated due to the fact that ordinary people and not just criminals have guns in the US. Whilst we can have opinions on the issue of gun ownership it is essentially not our business, it is for the American citizen to decide. Some would say that the mechanisms within the consitution are restrictive and others would say they help preserve the freedoms in the US. We dont even have a bill of rights in Australia. We cant even protect our personhood or property with guns. I have been camped out in remote Australia and would enjoy the benifit of having a pistol on my belt.

Mental health checks and background checks should be in place. I don't have a problem with guns. But people are idiots.

 

[SirRumpole]

I would say that a lot of bad behaviour is moderated due to the fact that ordinary people and not just criminals have guns in the US. Whilst we can have opinions on the issue of gun ownership it is essentially not our business, it is for the American citizen to decide. Some would say that the mechanisms within the consitution are restrictive and others would say they help preserve the freedoms in the US. We dont even have a bill of rights in Australia. We cant even protect our personhood or property with guns. I have been camped out in remote Australia and would enjoy the benifit of having a pistol on my belt.

I happen to own a gun. Being in a rural area, they are needed for pest control etc, but I spent most of my earlier life in Sydney where I never felt I needed one.

I think there are so many guns in the US now that ordinary people who would otherwise not have anything to do with guns now think that they need them to protect themselves against those who do have them.

The other issue of course is the type of guns that civilians are allowed to have. Military assault rifles and pistols are inappropriate weapons for civilians unless there are used and stored only at licensed shooting ranges.

As for the US Constitution, the Second Amendment says:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. "

The US has a well regulated militia , it's called the US defence forces. I don't know why the Supreme Court decides that school shooters are a part of a well regulated militia.

But anyway you are right in that it's not our business, it's up to the American people to decide what's appropriate for them.

 

[Smurf1976]

Guns are an inanimate object. Guns don't kill people, people do. One could cause the same outcome with 20 ltr fuel container and a box of matches in a crowded place.

Give me one use of a gun in an urban area which does not involve killing or threatening to kill a human.

I can give you plenty of sensible and reasonably safe uses for fuel and matches.

 

[BlownAccount]

Give me one use of a gun in an urban area which does not involve killing or threatening to kill a human.

I can give you plenty of sensible and reasonably safe uses for fuel and matches.

I believe urban areas in the US are somewhat dangerous places due to the government creating a multi billion dollar unregulated industry in the banning of drugs. Banned substances = organised crime who become well funded. Its a $500 billion industry in the US. Criminals have guns so a use for a gun in such urban places is have one if your own.

Technological advances will make much of the gun control debate redundant when we see a future in which anyone can 3d print any gun and ammo.
Cheers

 

[Tisme]

Guns are an inanimate object. Guns don't kill people, people do. One could cause the same outcome with 20 ltr fuel container and a box of matches in a crowded place. Some people are simply scared of everything...
A major catalyst for the often quoted numbers of gun deaths in the US is the governments failed reasoning in banning drugs. The war on drugs causes the issue. My view is if you cant keep drugs out of prison then why even try to keep them out of a country.

You're joking ...right?

"guns don't kill people" = inane denial of responsibility. Why not go further down the chain and say the trauma caused by the bullet, that was shot from the gun, that was made for profit, that was activated by a person with premeditated purpose of mind, etc ... killed people.

"the war on drugs causes the issue" ...can you segue personal accountability and responsibility any further than that.

People like you should leave the Pontius Pilate routine back in 33AD and staring getting your conscience hands dirty instead of wiping them.

 

[Boggo]

Spoons make people fat !

 

[SirRumpole]

People like this don't deserve to have guns and should have their licenses and guns taken away.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-...nvestigate-christensen-over-gun-photo/9459856

 

[Tisme]

People like this don't deserve to have guns and should have their licenses and guns taken away.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-...nvestigate-christensen-over-gun-photo/9459856

Baby boomer innocuous humour leaking from the seventies into 47 years later social media offensive.

One would have to be pretty thin skinned as a pollie to not acknowledge a cliche when they see it.

Of course Sarah is not averse to making soapboxes out of any vulgar self promotional opportunity, including the misery of a massacre:

"George Christensen posted a vulgar picture of him holding a hand gun, and making what he says is a joke about shooting people, and frankly guns aren't a joke and particularly in the wake of the massacre in the US only last week with 17 people shot dead, including children," Senator Hanson-Young said.

 

[SirRumpole]

One would have to be pretty thin skinned as a pollie to not acknowledge a cliche when they see it.

Of course, but it's the loonies not in Parliament that are the problem and supposed exemplars like Christensen shouldn't be dog whistling them.
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[Tisme]

Of course, but it's the loonies not in Parliament that are the problem and supposed exemplars like Christensen shouldn't be dog whistling them.
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Which is why she went straight into publicity mode: to get the widest audience possible, instead of just accepting George has a small following of like minded trolls who aren't likely to manifest a joke into a reality.

 

[basilio]

Always interesting to see someone like Tisme's sense of perspective when considering questions of "humour " about abusing green punks while pointing a gun at them.

So when thinking about what's "funny" on Georges comment how about changing the phrase to

"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky filthy wogs ? " or how about
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky mussie towelheads ?" or what about
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky racist dumb white xhit? or
"You gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky rabid unxuckable feminist

Or in fact - actually anyone or any group.

It's not remotely funny. It's just the type of screaming dog whistling a creature little George Christenson uses to gee up anyone else who is itching to kick a bit of green punk in whatever way they want to see it. It's basically waving a noose around and inviting your locals to a BBQ and necktie party

In fact, no surprise , Sarah Hansen Green copped some choice comments as a consequence of Georges "joke".

View image on Twitter

Sarah Hanson-Young

✔ @sarahinthesen8


Received this email tonight from George Christensen suporter. Classy.

7:04 PM - Feb 18, 2018

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And not surprisingly the local environmentalists managed scores and scores of similar vile threats when the dogs heard the whistle and call to arms.

Just poisonous.

 

[bellenuit]

Brilliant!

People Are Donating ‘Thoughts And Prayers’ To NRA-Backed Republicans’ Re-Election Campaigns

 

[Tisme]

Always interesting to see someone like Tisme's sense of perspective when considering questions of "humour " about abusing green punks while pointing a gun at them.

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You must have the panorama version of the pic. Wanna share?

as for the rest of your hyperbole = usual self serving fantasy stuff that only applies to Smurfland, Dinotopia and Melbourne Inner Suburbs.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...arch-is-greens-organiser-20170127-gu038y.html

 

[basilio]

as for the rest of your hyperbole = usual self serving fantasy stuff that only applies to Smurfland, Dinotopia and Melbourne Inner Suburbs.

So thats why Malcolm Turnball, Derryne Hinch and even Pauline Hansen think this is sick and tasteless and basically dog whistling.
By the way which other variations of the "joke " are just as funny ?

Just imagine the screams from Bolt and co if anyone else except some like George Christensen made such a "joke".