NBN Rollout Scrapped

[sptrawler]

Not everyone needs 100Mbps is just like saying no one will ever need to travel faster than 16km/h - the speed of the first automobile. Not everyone needs to drive at 110km/h on duplicated freeways, but they can! Time is money and when you work from home (l consider myself extremely lucky) having an extremely fast network connection is a must! I have actually accessed client networks quicker via an external VPN connection, than users on the internal network - due to a lack of congestion compared with the internal routers / switches. I also have a better work-life balance, pay next to nothing in vehicle running costs, don't get stressed "getting" to work and have the flexibility of working out of normal business hours.

Fibre theoretically doesn't have a bandwidth, if you start to send multi-colored light down the same fibre optic tube. Why the Australian Government is spending $50+billion on a white-elephant with 3 legs and no trunk, I'll never understand! At that price, it could have just about built it's own Government owned network and paid for it over time from the ISP rentals.

A more apt analogy may be, people can legally drive their cars at 110km/hr, why give everyone a car that can do 250km/hr?
Maybe in years to come, when autonomous driving cars are fully functioning and systems are in place to ensure 0 accidents, cars may be able to do 250km/hr safely.
Then no doubt the speed limits and cars to achieve the speed will be normal, but at the moment they aren't, so why would you give everyone one?
Another way of looking at it is, when computers first came out they cost $1500 for a green screen 16kb extended memory, that was 1981.
Now computers are relatively cheap and much bigger, but that doesn't mean everyone needs one, with the capability and speed of the ATO's computer.

 

[boofhead]

How would only that segment be upgraded? FTTP and FTTN use a different design to get from distribution points to the cabinets. Seems many mistake an upgrade FTTN to FTTP as only doing stuff from the cabinet to the premises. It isn't. That is why FTTN is a poor middle step. Large cost and even nbnco has stepped back a little bit by saying it such upgrades would happen in the future where economical. It gives them a way to do nothing.

 

[sptrawler]

How would only that segment be upgraded? FTTP and FTTN use a different design to get from distribution points to the cabinets. Seems many mistake an upgrade FTTN to FTTP as only doing stuff from the cabinet to the premises. It isn't. That is why FTTN is a poor middle step. Large cost and even nbnco has stepped back a little bit by saying it such upgrades would happen in the future where economical. It gives them a way to do nothing.

Well I was talking to a tech working on the nbn at the moment, and he said it can be upgraded with minimal fuss, that was yesterday.
He actually said, it may be possible in the future to install small transmitters and aerials on the boxes, thereby giving much greater mobile carrying capacity.
But hey, why burst the hysteria bubble?

 

[overhang]

It can still be upgraded, on an as required basis, all this ramping of the death of fibre to the house, is nonsense and just hysteria as usual.

A VF commodore can also be upgraded to a VF GTS, it would just be economically foolish to do so.

 

[sptrawler]

A VF commodore can also be upgraded to a VF GTS, it would just be economically foolish to do so.

What so now you're saying, everyone should get a VF GTS rather than most just getting a 6 cylinder?
But your analogy is correct, it is like giving everyone a GTS when most only need a standard V6, it would be stupid.IMO

 

[sptrawler]

The other issue is of course, if the techie is right and mobile equipment is fitted at a later date, probably when autonomous cars become a reality and they can't afford blackspots and require heaps more mobile data handling.
Then everyone will be saying, how great it was to have all the boxes installed.

 

[zzaaxxss3401]

You might like to bone up on the architecture of the network.

How so? FTTP is a direct connection to the exchange. Period. There's no "box" converting from electrical pulses to light pulses like there is with FTTN. Sure there's a mux of sorts at the exchange, but no doubt plenty of capacity. Unless the architects have failed do cater for sufficient capacity there's no issue.

 

[Tisme]

How so? FTTP is a direct connection to the exchange. Period. There's no "box" converting from electrical pulses to light pulses like there is with FTTN. Sure there's a mux of sorts at the exchange, but no doubt plenty of capacity. Unless the architects have failed do cater for sufficient capacity there's no issue.

The ISPs aren't serial connection to the end user. They deploy at the NBN level

 

[Tisme]

Yes M not G sorry.
I have the Modem capable and bought it about 4 years ago with speed, wireless hub and VOIP in mind. VOIP to eliminate the Telstra connection fees and charges but have since struck a great bundle deal with Telstra so VOIP not ventured into. Netcomm NF3ADV ...

KEY FEATURES

1. 1 x 10/100/1000 Gigabit WAN port
2. 3 x 10/100/1000 Gigabit LAN ports
3. High speed dual band Wireless N access point 900Mbps
4. ADSL2+ modem built in
5. 2.4GHz and 5GHz wireless frequency allows for cleanest possible wireless signal
6. 3 x transmitting and 3 x receiving WiFi antennas
7. 1 x FXS port for connection to a VoIP service – landline replacement
8. 1 x FXO port for landline backup
9. DECT CAT-iQ 2.0 base station with DECT association button
10. 2 x USB host ports supporting 3G/4G USB and mass storage file sharing
11. WPS button for simple setup of your wireless network
12. Multiple power saving features – time of day LED dimming, WiFi power save features, green/power down functions

View attachment 73235

Most switches and routers have 10/100/1000 speeds

Telstra have moved away the Cisco Router/Modem to the Netgear 7610-1TLAUS which has 5g wireless backup.

 

[PZ99]

What so now you're saying, everyone should get a VF GTS rather than most just getting a 6 cylinder?

We already ordered and paid for the GTS. But prior to collecting the vehicle we downgraded to the V6 that couldn't pull the head off a beer because we also bought that bigger boat to tow around.

Maybe we could enable the hurricane pipe lining. LOL

 

[overhang]

What so now you're saying, everyone should get a VF GTS rather than most just getting a 6 cylinder?
But your analogy is correct, it is like giving everyone a GTS when most only need a standard V6, it would be stupid.IMO

I'm saying we should pay for the GTS now instead of the 6 cylinder that will need to be upgraded to a GTS in the future. Purchasing the 6 cylinder knowing that it will need to be upgraded and most the parts binned is stupid IMO.

 

[Tisme]

We already ordered and paid for the GTS. But prior to collecting the vehicle we downgraded to the V6 that couldn't pull the head off a beer because we also bought that bigger boat to tow around.

Maybe we could enable the hurricane pipe lining. LOL

I would expand that to "we ordered a GTS Coupe, had a Belmont Ute delivered and worse it was made on a Monday!" and it cost 25% more !!!!

 

[sptrawler]

I'm saying we should pay for the GTS now instead of the 6 cylinder that will need to be upgraded to a GTS in the future. Purchasing the 6 cylinder knowing that it will need to be upgraded and most the parts binned is stupid IMO.

What if the 6 cylinder lasts for 20 years and does everything required, then when you need to replace it, electric cars are the norm?
What you are saying is like, every bridge made in Australia, should be built twice the size it needs to be, because in 30 years time there is a good chance it will be at capacity.

Why the hell does everybody in Australia require, the capability of optical right now?
As though everyone is going to be a tech guru and need it to develop their at home online international business.FFS

Everyone has as usual, got all emotional and bent out of shape, over the ideology. Just like Australia rushing headlong, to save the World, from climate change. Yes it needs to be done, but we don't need to whip ourselves to death, to prove something to the World.
The S.A blackouts, probably made the Uganda News comic strip.
We really do have a weird outlook.

 

[sptrawler]

I would expand that to "we ordered a GTS Coupe, had a Belmont Ute delivered and worse it was made on a Monday!" and it cost 25% more !!!!

25% more than what?
FTTP labour content, would have blown out astronomically, as you well know.

 

[sptrawler]

We already ordered and paid for the GTS. But prior to collecting the vehicle we downgraded to the V6 that couldn't pull the head off a beer because we also bought that bigger boat to tow around.

Maybe we could enable the hurricane pipe lining. LOL

That is incorrect, we ordered the GTS, but we didn't have a fixed price. Be honest.
The other incorrect statement is, we haven't bought a bigger boat, what we have can be pulled by what we've bought.
What you are saying really is lets buy the Toyota V8 Landcruiser, just in case we can afford a big boat.

 

[Tisme]

25% more than what?
FTTP labour content, would have blown out astronomically, as you well know.

The difference between the original order value and the actual bill. I'm not talking about crystal balling, just facts.

 

[sptrawler]

The difference between the original order value and the actual bill. I'm not talking about crystal balling, just facts.

You're not really, your comparing the fact of what it is costing, to the dreamed up cost of what they thought it would cost. If it came in on time and on budget.
Comparing reality and a dream, really isn't technical analysis, I'm sure you've had enough experience to know the difference, without me telling you.

 

[overhang]

What if the 6 cylinder lasts for 20 years and does everything required, then when you need to replace it, electric cars are the norm?
What you are saying is like, every bridge made in Australia, should be built twice the size it needs to be, because in 30 years time there is a good chance it will be at capacity.

Why the hell does everybody in Australia require, the capability of optical right now?
As though everyone is going to be a tech guru and need it to develop their at home online international business.FFS

Everyone has as usual, got all emotional and bent out of shape, over the ideology. Just like Australia rushing headlong, to save the World, from climate change. Yes it needs to be done, but we don't need to whip ourselves to death, to prove something to the World.
The S.A blackouts, probably made the Uganda News comic strip.
We really do have a weird outlook.

Because the 6 cylinder isn't brand new, it uses 60 year old spark plugs, for some people all 6 fire, for others only 2 fire. It always has a lot more ongoing maintenance costs, it will break down at some point. We pay 50k for the 6 cylinder that we can upgrade to the GTS in the future for a further 35k or we can spend 65k and get the GTS now. The GTS can be upgraded to be some futuristic car without even altering any significant parts.


No one is saying everyone needs it right now but we will need it in the future, spending this type of outlay to get a half assed network we're results are just the luck of the draw. The only people who have made their decision on emotion and ideology are the "fiscal conservatives" from the liberal party and those that support the MTM rollout. I don't begrudge anyone for thinking we shouldn't have built any type of network but it's so nonsensical to spend this much money and end up with a network with ongoing maintenance costs, we're results vary greatly from user to user, will require to be upgraded in the future for a huge outlay. But it's ok, NBN co have stated we won't need to upgrade to FTTP for at least 5 years after the build

 

[sptrawler]

No one is saying everyone needs it right now but we will need it in the future, spending this type of outlay to get a half assed network we're results are just the luck of the draw. The only people who have made their decision on emotion and ideology are the "fiscal conservatives" from the liberal party and those that support the MTM rollout. I don't begrudge anyone for thinking we shouldn't have built any type of network but it's so nonsensical to spend this much money and end up with a network with ongoing maintenance costs, we're results vary greatly from user to user, will require to be upgraded in the future for a huge outlay. But it's ok, NBN co have stated we won't need to upgrade to FTTP for at least 5 years after the build

That is a huge assumption, it may be correct or it may be incorrect, time will tell.

The same issues could be said for the electrical distribution network, 30- 40 years ago people were saying all houses should have 3 phase to them, as household electrical demand kept increasing more and more.
Then 3 phase wiring would have to be retrofitted, to upgrade current capacity, after all 3 phase runs down every street it wouldn't have cost much to upgrade.

Now 40 years later on most houses still only have single phase, mainly due to technological improvements, which have reduced actual demand while supplying more appliances.

Like I've said, people need to get over the hysteria, it usually ends up being storm in a tea cup.

 

[Tisme]

You're not really, your comparing the fact of what it is costing, to the dreamed up cost of what they thought it would cost. If it came in on time and on budget.
Comparing reality and a dream, really isn't technical analysis, I'm sure you've had enough experience to know the difference, without me telling you.

Well I'm not, but if it makes you feel better then go with it. I could revert back to the mid 20's figure that was going to be the Govt's contribution, the rest a PPP and that would double the cost over the original order value.

I'm not really all that fussed about the semantics, just the low grade install that we ended up with...and I'm definitely not Robinson Crusoe there, although in the early days I certainly felt like it. Ten years for people to educate themselves on something they effectively voted for on the basis of the say so an ignorant future PM is an indictment on our education and sheeple level in this country.

In the end it's the same old situation where someone buys a lemon and they are too proud to admit it's a lemon until too late.