NBN Rollout Scrapped

[SirRumpole]

So what is this stuff about the telephone service being disconnected and we are forced to use NBN ?

I live in the back blocks (although only 3 km from a small town), I'm on pair gain phone lines and the NBN is not going to reach me anytime soon, so are they going to disconnect my telephone service or what ?

 

[boofhead]

What will be rolled out to you? If it is fixed wireless or satellite then you can keep your legacy copper service. Those that are in the FTTP, FTTN, HFC, FTTB, FTTc are those that need to make the change.

 

[overhang]

Whether or not the fundamentals for FTTP is sound relative to the alternatives is dependant on more than the above. The more interesting question now is where rather than as a whole.

This would depend on the metrics used. You don't come across as the socialist so I don't think there is any metric that would appease you because the economics would never stack up to provide most regional areas with FTTN or FTTP. IMO with what we know now the Labor party would have rolled out FTTC to regional areas, it seems to provide the best of both worlds.

 

[SirRumpole]

What will be rolled out to you? If it is fixed wireless or satellite then you can keep your legacy copper service. Those that are in the FTTP, FTTN, HFC, FTTB, FTTc are those that need to make the change.

Most likely fixed wireless. I'm not sure of the benefits of that over my current 4G mobile broadband or even whether I can get it at all.

 

[boofhead]

Check the pricing of mobile data vs fixed wireless services provided by NBN resellers and once you start getting in to >50 GB you'll notice the difference.

 

[drsmith]

This would depend on the metrics used. You don't come across as the socialist so I don't think there is any metric that would appease you because the economics would never stack up to provide most regional areas with FTTN or FTTP. IMO with what we know now the Labor party would have rolled out FTTC to regional areas, it seems to provide the best of both worlds.

The funny thing about the social argument for FTTP nationwide is that under it, there was (and still is) a 12mb/s for those that can't afford more under the pricing structure and even that's not achievable at times under the CVC pricing model. I note that Labor have only recently softened their view on rollout technology.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...e-option-for-nbn-rollout-20170721-gxg3zm.html

A less ambitious rollout schedule may have led to greater penetration of FTTC which I agree would have been a good thing.

 

[Tisme]

The funny thing about the social argument for FTTP nationwide is that under it, there was (and still is) a 12mb/s for those that can't afford more under the pricing structure and even that's not achievable at times under the CVC pricing model. I note that Labor have only recently softened their view on rollout technology.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...e-option-for-nbn-rollout-20170721-gxg3zm.html

A less ambitious rollout schedule may have led to greater penetration of FTTC which I agree would have been a good thing.

With the NBN versus ADSL, the frequency is much higher on the former, which means it is comparatively more susceptible to degradation of signal, thus increased error checking, etc.

So that 12megs (mbps) might not actually be the 1.5 MB/s useful when you look at the binary pair, and the overhead bits (error check bit and parity bit), especially on a degraded line like small gauge copper cable.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Well you have to blame both major parties don't you ?

Turnbull didn't say it shouldn't be done he just said it shouldn't be done Labor's way.

Hypocrisy all round.

Early on, Mal clearly said it wasn't costed properly.

Rudd is to blame, imo. Residential users who can't cope using ADSL should buy themselves a city office.

Should only ever have been city to city fibre.

 

[SirRumpole]

Rudd is to blame, imo. Residential users who can't cope using ADSL should buy themselves a city office.

Slightly impractical. But I think that like roads, the car numbers increase to fill the available road space, ie if the bandwidth capacity is available then people will find ways to use it up regardless of "need". Interactive gaming, netflix etc will become the biggest users rather than productive uses like business, health or education.

I wonder if anyone has done a study on what sort of bandwidth requirements a a family of four needs for essentials; education, family contacts etc discounting entertainment. That should be the target for residential users, extra bandwidth costs more.

 

[Tisme]

Slightly impractical. But I think that like roads, the car numbers increase to fill the available road space, ie if the bandwidth capacity is available then people will find ways to use it up regardless of "need". Interactive gaming, netflix etc will become the biggest users rather than productive uses like business, health or education.

I wonder if anyone has done a study on what sort of bandwidth requirements a a family of four needs for essentials; education, family contacts etc discounting entertainment. That should be the target for residential users, extra bandwidth costs more.

It was about future utility and for some inexplicable reason getting first rollout technology to the very electorates who perpetually vote anti Labor.

City fibre was already in train, but really really expensive....= Telstra and oligopoly industry.

The internet has to be resilient, robust and survivable. The number of data and retrievable devices coming online in the foreseeable future are touted to in their hundreds of billions.

 

[boofhead]

First 3 areas have voted between Liberal and Labor a lot. You're saying random stuff Tisme. Maybe check AEC or Wikipedia for reality.

 

[Tisme]

First 3 areas have voted between Liberal and Labor a lot. You're saying random stuff Tisme. Maybe check AEC or Wikipedia for reality.

Oh boy, there's always one isn't there.

If you are so educated how about you just post the facts based on, I don't know, perhaps providing us a an unbiased history.

My argument is that recidivistly non Labor seats were included in the initial rollout. How about you refute that with facts.

Does 67 Labor electorates, 61 Coalition electorates and 6 cross-bench electorates ring a bell? Turnbull's electorate was a winner, but Conroy's and Shorten's weren't

 

[boofhead]

First 3 locations were in Tasmania, held by Labor at the time. Midway Point was the first southern area. It is in the electorate of Lyons which was held by Dick Adams 1993 to 2013. In the NW it was in Smithton which is Braddon held by Sid Sidebottom at the time. Scottsdale in the NE also held by Labor (division of Bass.) You clearly made a statement about areas that vote anti-labor.

 

[Tisme]

You clearly made a statement about areas that vote anti-labor.

Yes this is what I wrote (explicitly) "It was about future utility and for some inexplicable reason getting first rollout technology to the very electorates who perpetually vote anti Labor."

to which you responded with binary LNP bias: "First 3 areas have voted between Liberal and Labor a lot. You're saying random stuff Tisme. Maybe check AEC or Wikipedia for reality."

I produced the first rollout plan and you respond with the three locale nonsense. Either way just one LNP electorate is enough to make my statement true ...... and before you get on your high horse I don't care if you vote LNP or Labor, really, truely I just don't care, we are all entitled to our own mistakes.

The real sad part about this site is the time between now and then and the end game Mac Gyver network it represents: https://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-information/media-centre/media-releases.2009.html

 

[boofhead]

All three were Labor at the time. Labor now. Tasmania has generally been more inclined to vote Labor. History is contrary to your statement. I know you find it hard to admit you make mistakes.

 

[Tisme]

All three were Labor at the time. Labor now. Tasmania has generally been more inclined to vote Labor. History is contrary to your statement. I know you find it hard to admit you make mistakes.

 

[Tisme]

Here you go. If someone is arguing the toss about copper:

http://nbnmtm.australiaeast.cloudapp.azure.com/img/FTTN_Speed_Graph.png

 

[Wysiwyg]

Anyone got a ping less than 10 milliseconds in the Capital cities?

 

[So_Cynical]

So what is this stuff about the telephone service being disconnected and we are forced to use NBN ?

I live in the back blocks (although only 3 km from a small town), I'm on pair gain phone lines and the NBN is not going to reach me anytime soon, so are they going to disconnect my telephone service or what ?

The NBN will reach you soon, it just wont be Fibre, your phone will be switched over to NBN, wireless or whatever.

 

[So_Cynical]

Anyone got a ping less than 10 milliseconds in the Capital cities?

I ping 2 to my ISP's same city Capital server, Fibre to the home.