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Wysiwyg said:
Yes I thought that would be so. I am several hundred km from Brisbane and ping 10ms with FTTP on a 30Gbps download speed.
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Here are my results for a FTTH (Fibre to the Home) connection. I'm paying $NZ129 for a 200/100Mbps service, but could upgrade to ~1000/500Mbps if I buy my own router capable of this throughput. FTTH is the only way to go. These results were from Tauranga (NZ) to Sydney (AU) which is around 2300kms via international fibre, while simultaneously connected to a VPN to Wellington for work purposes:
http://broadbandcompare.speedtestcustom.com/result/4bbe6870-bdcb-11e7-ab8d-b1806c7816f0
 
One would assume FTTP will be available, but will probably be at the consumers cost, then it would at least be on a needs basis. Not everyone wants or indeed needs 100MB, and from an actual physical perspective, running the last 100m to the premise would be the most difficult and costly.
Pulling cable down a 100mm conduit is a lot easier, than pulling cable down a 25mm conduit that has been broken 100 times by gardeners and tree roots.
 
Where would the last 100m be connected to? Many are further away from nodes. Also the nodes don't have suitable hardware for FTTP nor space for it.
 
zzaaxxss3401 said:
We had gigabit towns over 12 months ago!
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Okay. With 30Gbps download speed I get almost instant depending on the size of data transfered. Can't imagine what 1000Gbps download speed would be like but I suppose the infrastructure (i.e. all fibre, part copper) between server and client would determine achieving near 1 gig. and I assume instant download.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Okay. With 30Gbps download speed I get almost instant depending on the size of data transfered.
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I assume you mean 30Mbps... Very few sites support streaming of data up to 1000Mbps, but even on a 200/100Mbps service I actually get what I pay for 24*7. I've never encountered a slowdown at (say) 7pm weeknights or any buffering. This is even while we have Netflix HD streaming, and I'm working via a VPN while keeping an eye on the News online (streaming HD). Luckily our house was wired with Cat5e cabling when it was built and I have a Gigabit switch connected to the fibre modem. If I was to upgrade to 1000Mbps, the ISP supplied Huawei modem (HG253S) is actually limited to about 300Mbps, so it would become the bottleneck before the FTTH network would. Which is one of the main reasons I haven't upgraded to a gigabit service - I'd need to purchase a new modem.
 
sptrawler said:
One would assume FTTP will be available, but will probably be at the consumers cost, then it would at least be on a needs basis. Not everyone wants or indeed needs 100MB, and from an actual physical perspective, running the last 100m to the premise would be the most difficult and costly.
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Installation for us here in NZ for FTTH was free - including the ETP (External Termination Point) and the internal termination point. The Government picked up the tab (thank you National). Rolled out by UltraFast Fibre (www.ultrafastfibre.co.nz) - via Chorus technicians.

Not everyone needs 100Mbps is just like saying no one will ever need to travel faster than 16km/h - the speed of the first automobile. Not everyone needs to drive at 110km/h on duplicated freeways, but they can! Time is money and when you work from home (l consider myself extremely lucky) having an extremely fast network connection is a must! I have actually accessed client networks quicker via an external VPN connection, than users on the internal network - due to a lack of congestion compared with the internal routers / switches. I also have a better work-life balance, pay next to nothing in vehicle running costs, don't get stressed "getting" to work and have the flexibility of working out of normal business hours.

Fibre theoretically doesn't have a bandwidth, if you start to send multi-colored light down the same fibre optic tube. Why the Australian Government is spending $50+billion on a white-elephant with 3 legs and no trunk, I'll never understand! At that price, it could have just about built it's own Government owned network and paid for it over time from the ISP rentals.
 
Like I said, I assume that fibre to the node will be upgradable to FTTP, who wears the cost of the change of the copper to fibre is anyones guess.
 
zzaaxxss3401 said:
I assume you mean 30Mbps...
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Yes M not G sorry.
If I was to upgrade to 1000Mbps, the ISP supplied Huawei modem (HG253S) is actually limited to about 300Mbps, so it would become the bottleneck before the FTTH network would. Which is one of the main reasons I haven't upgraded to a gigabit service - I'd need to purchase a new modem.
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I have the Modem capable and bought it about 4 years ago with speed, wireless hub and VOIP in mind. VOIP to eliminate the Telstra connection fees and charges but have since struck a great bundle deal with Telstra so VOIP not ventured into. Netcomm NF3ADV ...

KEY FEATURES
  1. 1 x 10/100/1000 Gigabit WAN port
  2. 3 x 10/100/1000 Gigabit LAN ports
  3. High speed dual band Wireless N access point 900Mbps
  4. ADSL2+ modem built in
  5. 2.4GHz and 5GHz wireless frequency allows for cleanest possible wireless signal
  6. 3 x transmitting and 3 x receiving WiFi antennas
  7. 1 x FXS port for connection to a VoIP service – landline replacement
  8. 1 x FXO port for landline backup
  9. DECT CAT-iQ 2.0 base station with DECT association button
  10. 2 x USB host ports supporting 3G/4G USB and mass storage file sharing
  11. WPS button for simple setup of your wireless network
  12. Multiple power saving features – time of day LED dimming, WiFi power save features, green/power down functions
IMG_0231.JPG
 
zzaaxxss3401 said:
Installation for us here in NZ for FTTH was free - including the ETP (External Termination Point) and the internal termination point. The Government picked up the tab (thank you National). Rolled out by UltraFast Fibre (www.ultrafastfibre.co.nz) - via Chorus technicians.

Not everyone needs 100Mbps is just like saying no one will ever need to travel faster than 16km/h - the speed of the first automobile. Not everyone needs to drive at 110km/h on duplicated freeways, but they can! Time is money and when you work from home (l consider myself extremely lucky) having an extremely fast network connection is a must! I have actually accessed client networks quicker via an external VPN connection, than users on the internal network - due to a lack of congestion compared with the internal routers / switches. I also have a better work-life balance, pay next to nothing in vehicle running costs, don't get stressed "getting" to work and have the flexibility of working out of normal business hours.

Fibre theoretically doesn't have a bandwidth, if you start to send multi-colored light down the same fibre optic tube. Why the Australian Government is spending $50+billion on a white-elephant with 3 legs and no trunk, I'll never understand! At that price, it could have just about built it's own Government owned network and paid for it over time from the ISP rentals.
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We would probably all have FTTP, if everyone in Australia, lived between Brisbane and Sydney.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Netcomm NF3ADV
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Couldn't find the "throughput" specified anywhere. This is the critical specification: WAN-LAN throughput.

This is the potential bottleneck between the PC and the Fibre connection. For example, the Netgear Nighthawk X8 R8500 (worth about $NZ550), can do 1000Mbps on 2.4GHz + 4330Mbps on 5GHz, however, it's WAN-LAN performance is limited to only 761Mbps. So it would max out the fibre connection at 761Mbps. Doh! The Linksys WRT1200AC (worth about $NZ150), can only do 400Mbps on 2.4GHz + 867Mbps on 5GHz, but it's WAN-LAN performance is rated at 945Mbps.

So it's difficult to find a router with 1) good range, 2) good WAN-LAN performance, 3) good WiFi performance, 4) good price... which is why I'm sticking with my 200/100Mbps service for the time being.
 
sptrawler said:
We would probably all have FTTP, if everyone in Australia, lived between Brisbane and Sydney.
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Which is probably why fibre should have been rolled out state wide, rather than country wide! Do it once... do it properly. The FTTN is rubbish because: 1) you're still using copper between the Node and the Home, but 2) you have congestion directly at the Node. FTTP/FTTH has fibre all the way to the exchange and no congestion, until it gets to the ISP - which could be one of 100's.

What will it cost Australia to finally separate itself from the monopoly of Telstra (copper) and finally go FTTP / FTTH? Another $50billion? They should be doing it NOW, while interest rates are so low, rather than wasting money on WiFi / Satellite / FTTN rubbish.

Oh how the "lucky country" is no longer looking so "lucky".
 
zzaaxxss3401 said:
Which is probably why fibre should have been rolled out state wide, rather than country wide! Do it once... do it properly. The FTTN is rubbish because: 1) you're still using copper between the Node and the Home, but 2) you have congestion directly at the Node. FTTP/FTTH has fibre all the way to the exchange and no congestion, until it gets to the ISP - which could be one of 100's.

What will it cost Australia to finally separate itself from the monopoly of Telstra (copper) and finally go FTTP / FTTH? Another $50billion? They should be doing it NOW, while interest rates are so low, rather than wasting money on WiFi / Satellite / FTTN rubbish.

Oh how the "lucky country" is no longer looking so "lucky".
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Like I said, I would be suprised if the node isn't configured in such a way, that the copper to the house can be upgraded to fibre.
This could be done on an as required( due to copper degradation) or as the end user reaches the limitations of the copper speed and the want faster speeds.
 
The nodes use hardware that are copper specific. The fibre that connects to the node is different to the fibre that FTTP uses for the final connection. It needs different, specific hardware.
 
sptrawler said:
Like I said, I would be suprised if the node isn't configured in such a way, that the copper to the house can be upgraded to fibre.
This could be done on an as required( due to copper degradation) or as the end user reaches the limitations of the copper speed and the want faster speeds.
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It can be upgraded to FTTP in the sense that the fibre is closer to the home and the fibre to the node can be utilised but the cabinet will most likely have to be gutted. The active power to the node, backup batteries, cooling, copper line cards become useless. The (in some cases) newly built pillars would again be useless. The worst part of all this is that even though the coalition are spending $49 billion on their MTM network the most expensive component of the NBN hasn't been touched (fibre from the pit to the home). Hence why the audit into the NBN found that 70% of the FTTN costs will not be recouped in an upgrade to FTTP.

One has to wonder how much further the gap has closed between the FTTN to FTTP cost given that in 2014 the estimated power consumption to run the FTTN cabinets was $75 million to $90 million annually, we know power prices have risen considerably since 2014. FTTP runs by optics and doesn't require active power.
 
boofhead said:
The nodes use hardware that are copper specific. The fibre that connects to the node is different to the fibre that FTTP uses for the final connection. It needs different, specific hardware.
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It can still be upgraded, on an as required basis, all this ramping of the death of fibre to the house, is nonsense and just hysteria as usual.
 

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