Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

So the climate Jihadists are quite ok with the concept of physical violence or gaoling of those they consider "denialists" (who are really just critical thinkers mostly)? Films of children being blown up for doubting, plus innumerable examples of climate totalitarian fantasies?

Yet feign outrage when their Jihad results in a real world depression and suicide.

What a revolting double standard. You guys make me feel physically ill!

 

[Gringotts Bank]

35 deg in Melb today. Just saying. Early October.

 

[explod]

So the climate Jihadists are quite ok with the concept of physical violence or gaoling of those they consider "denialists" (who are really just critical thinkers mostly)? Films of children being blown up for doubting, plus innumerable examples of climate totalitarian fantasies?

Yet feign outrage when their Jihad results in a real world depression and suicide.

What a revolting double standard. You guys make me feel physically ill!

The problems you cite put simply is supply and demand with so called productivity stimulated by massive bouts of QE. It does not work anymore and is a different topic to climate change.

Hold tight in your tree ole Pal.

 

[SirRumpole]

So the climate Jihadists are quite ok with the concept of physical violence or gaoling of those they consider "denialists" (who are really just critical thinkers mostly)? Films of children being blown up for doubting, plus innumerable examples of climate totalitarian fantasies?

I thought the kids blowing up ad was stupid, so trying to paint all those who just look at the evidence as "climate jihadists" is an overreaction.

There has to be a rational debate on the issue on the basis of evidence.

That's what people have tried to produce here.

A child suiciding is a dreadful thing. Maybe that indicates a lack of parental counselling, or any number of other factors, you only mentioned one.

 

[Knobby22]

Bit of a red herring by the ole Wayne but so what. Would like to change subject.

This is the woman (Eugenie) who made the film, along with some of her history.

She looks a bit nasty to me. I don't know how she managed to get it posted, even for a few hours. Nasty group.



http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/dec/31/eugenie-harvey-10-10

 

[basilio]

Where is this hysteria coming from Wayne ? I restarted this discussion with a long post about the Exxon climate scientists who made huge contributions to the understanding of global warming in the early 80's. In fact a number of people at Exxon saw the opportunity for their company to become a world leader in the changes necessary to reduce CO2 emissions which they they could forsee creating big problems.

This was research and science by Big Oil Wayne. Not your leftie/commo/fabian rest of world scientists rolleyes The really interesting part of course was that the Exxon Board finally decided in the 1990's that their business model was based on oil not renewables

So they made the decision to deny the research they had at their fingertips and embark on an extensive campaign to create doubt about everything to do with global warming.

Yes I think they should go to jail for their actions. In my view it is similar to the Tobacco executives saying tobacco didn't cause cancer or was addictive when their own research explicitly said it did.

Obviously of course in the word of real American politics rich white company men don't go to jail simply for lying about the safety of their products.

But you havn't made a single observation about the global warming research undertaken by the Exxon scientists Wayne.
Not a peep. The fact is you simply arn't interested in anything that challenges your totally focused view

that there is nothing serious to worry about with global warming and anyone who says otherwise is some unspeakable hysteric who is worrying our children into an early grave.

 

[Smurf1976]

35 deg in Melb today. Just saying. Early October.

All time record for October in Tas today. 33.6 was the top for the state whilst Hobart reached 32.7

A strong El Nino combined with a positive IOD (Indian Ocean Dipole) has effectively brought an early start to Summer for much of SE Australia. Looking ahead, the most likely outcome is below average rainfall.

Also notable today was the incredibly low humidity. Was down as low as 8% in the Hobart city area and 6% at the airport for a while today. Figures like that aren't normal when you're on an island surrounded by water. Much the same in Victoria too. There's basically no moisture, and a lot of heat, over much of inland Australia recently and with a northerly wind that has ended up in most of Vic and Tas.

From a political perspective a warm day in October in Tas won't really change anything. But if we were to break the all time Summer record for Melbourne or Adelaide, which would require temperatures in the high 40's, then that would influence public debate on the climate issue I'd expect. Once you get to that sort of extreme then bad things start to happen - people die, infrastructure doesn't work, fires are uncontrollable, etc.

 

[SirRumpole]

It got to 40 in Western Sydney today according to a contact.

 

[wayneL]

You may have noticed basilio there is more research about than Exxon's.

 

[explod]

You may have noticed basilio there is more research about than Exxon's.

Forget the research, just look out your window.

 

[wayneL]

Forget the research, just look out your window.

That's just stupid.

The view from my window is absolutely splendid, still doesn't mean anything.

The Mayans view from their window changed 700 years ago.

Yep, climate change ol' mate.

 

[Tisme]

It got to 40 in Western Sydney today according to a contact.

I think they are now classifying El Nino with descriptives, such as "mega", "supa dupa", etc to give the impression of aberrant cycles.

This years is the "Godzilla" El Nino and expected to wipe out farmers and turn the grassland into deserts...... I understand it was caused by Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard and the Unions and would have been worse if we hadn't turned back the boats

 

[Ijustnewit]

All time record for October in Tas today. 33.6 was the top for the state whilst Hobart reached 32.7

A strong El Nino combined with a positive IOD (Indian Ocean Dipole) has effectively brought an early start to Summer for much of SE Australia. Looking ahead, the most likely outcome is below average rainfall.

Also notable today was the incredibly low humidity. Was down as low as 8% in the Hobart city area and 6% at the airport for a while today. Figures like that aren't normal when you're on an island surrounded by water. Much the same in Victoria too. There's basically no moisture, and a lot of heat, over much of inland Australia recently and with a northerly wind that has ended up in most of Vic and Tas.

From a political perspective a warm day in October in Tas won't really change anything. But if we were to break the all time Summer record for Melbourne or Adelaide, which would require temperatures in the high 40's, then that would influence public debate on the climate issue I'd expect. Once you get to that sort of extreme then bad things start to happen - people die, infrastructure doesn't work, fires are uncontrollable, etc.

There certainly has been some heat in Hobart , here are some amazing figures so far for October.
The daytime average temp is now sitting at 26.3 degrees ( the October long term is 17 degrees).
The night time average is temp is now sitting at 12 degrees ( the October long tern is 7.8 degrees)
The hottest record October average was set in 1963 at 19.7 degrees ( we are a whopping 6.6 degrees over that record so far).
The news is not good however as another heatwave is set to appear from about the 13th according to the long term forecast models. The El Nino ( or Godzilla if you're and ABC fan) is starting to ramp up for sure .
I also see that all wild shellfish on the Tassie East Coast are being affected by the dreaded Blue Green Algae breakout. Most likely caused by the warming waters of late ? Authorities are warning the public not to shellfish taken from the East Coast after a couple of poisonings. The article says seafood from shops has been tested and is safe to consume however.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...ellfish-poisoning/6832220?WT.ac=statenews_tas

 

[luutzu]

I think they are now classifying El Nino with descriptives, such as "mega", "supa dupa", etc to give the impression of aberrant cycles.

This years is the "Godzilla" El Nino and expected to wipe out farmers and turn the grassland into deserts...... I understand it was caused by Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard and the Unions and would have been worse if we hadn't turned back the boats

Those Arab refugees must have brought the weather with them. So that's how they'll take over!

It's still spring right?

 

[luutzu]

Where is this hysteria coming from Wayne ? I restarted this discussion with a long post about the Exxon climate scientists who made huge contributions to the understanding of global warming in the early 80's. In fact a number of people at Exxon saw the opportunity for their company to become a world leader in the changes necessary to reduce CO2 emissions which they they could forsee creating big problems.

This was research and science by Big Oil Wayne. Not your leftie/commo/fabian rest of world scientists rolleyes The really interesting part of course was that the Exxon Board finally decided in the 1990's that their business model was based on oil not renewables

So they made the decision to deny the research they had at their fingertips and embark on an extensive campaign to create doubt about everything to do with global warming.

Yes I think they should go to jail for their actions. In my view it is similar to the Tobacco executives saying tobacco didn't cause cancer or was addictive when their own research explicitly said it did.

Obviously of course in the word of real American politics rich white company men don't go to jail simply for lying about the safety of their products.

But you havn't made a single observation about the global warming research undertaken by the Exxon scientists Wayne.
Not a peep. The fact is you simply arn't interested in anything that challenges your totally focused view

Age of reason at work.

Somewhat make sense, somewhat, when you define the costs to the environment and other people as "externalities" and your job is to make the most profit for your own and maybe your shareholders.

The world can go to heck, but if you have a few billion dollars you will be able to afford a room on some Ark somewhere (a movie plot, but not that fictional).

 

[Tisme]

Age of reason at work.

Very entertaining talker, if not fed up with ordered society as most of us are.

 

[wayneL]

Bit of a red herring by the ole Wayne but so what. Would like to change subject.

This is the woman (Eugenie) who made the film, along with some of her history.

She looks a bit nasty to me. I don't know how she managed to get it posted, even for a few hours. Nasty group.

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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/dec/31/eugenie-harvey-10-10

There are the likes of basilio who are sociopathic fanatics, and plod who who are apocalypse fantasists. I have accepted that is is unlikely these types will ever be able to be reasoned with due to. Their respective psychological pathologies.

I thought better of you however Knobby. I don't care how attractive, middle class and benign this monster appears, the fact remains, she was responsible for a film depicting the summary execution of children for being critical thinkers and indulging in the heinous crime of having a brain.

Just despicable, as is your defense of such disgraceful fantasizing.

Signing off for a while, I'm just too heartbroken to fight reprehensible zealots and will direct my energies to supporting the victims of vile propaganda.

 

[Knobby22]

You misjudge me Wayne.
I wasn't being sarcastic in my comments.

What she did was reprehensible. She is obviously a white upper middle class power woman who, when you read the report, wasn't even that concerned about global warming. I can't believe she got the video made and posted.

I also hate the fact that though there are many professional people working to stop action on climate change, there are other people like her with no soul that just make money out of it in the other direction.

I am not even sure of her motives and I don't like the look of her, probably a psychopath.
How come she still has her job?

 

[ghotib]

Today I learnt that a bright, kind, lively young woman of 23, who worked at the high care nursing home where my mother lives, killed herself last Friday. There isn't a soul at the home who didn't like her; I'm only one of the relatives who respected her thoughtfulness and enjoyed her conversation. The staff are devastated, at least partly because, in spite of the training many of them have done, nobody picked up on how she must have been feeling.

I don't know what her reasons were or if global warming was any part of them. I find it hard to even try to think about reasons for the deaths of people so young and with so much potential. It's terrible that these are only two of hundreds of young people, each with reasons that must have seemed strong to them.

Wayne, you didn't say how long or how well you've known your client's daughter. Given your profession, I can imagine that she was a horse-loving kid and you watched her through pony club. As a former live-in nanny and now a "BackUp Grandparent" I know very well you don't have to be family to find that a child has a hold on your heart. I'm deeply sad for you and the pain you're feeling.

You'll know there's a "but", and here it is. Global warming is a real problem that threatens the future of the children we love. The principal cause of 20th and 21st century global warming is humans releasing fossil carbon from under the ground into the air and oceans. The way to help kids deal with the problem is to work with them on fixing it: end the burning of fossil fuels, re-invent agriculture, re-imagine cities... give them confidence to face grim realities and change them.

Again Wayne, I'm deeply sorry for that poor little girl, her family, and you.

Best wishes,

Ghoti

 

[basilio]

Today I learnt that a bright, kind, lively young woman of 23, who worked at the high care nursing home where my mother lives, killed herself last Friday. There isn't a soul at the home who didn't like her; I'm only one of the relatives who respected her thoughtfulness and enjoyed her conversation. The staff are devastated, at least partly because, in spite of the training many of them have done, nobody picked up on how she must have been feeling.

I don't know what her reasons were or if global warming was any part of them. I find it hard to even try to think about reasons for the deaths of people so young and with so much potential. It's terrible that these are only two of hundreds of young people, each with reasons that must have seemed strong to them.

Wayne, you didn't say how long or how well you've known your client's daughter. Given your profession, I can imagine that she was a horse-loving kid and you watched her through pony club. As a former live-in nanny and now a "BackUp Grandparent" I know very well you don't have to be family to find that a child has a hold on your heart. I'm deeply sad for you and the pain you're feeling.

You'll know there's a "but", and here it is. Global warming is a real problem that threatens the future of the children we love. The principal cause of 20th and 21st century global warming is humans releasing fossil carbon from under the ground into the air and oceans. The way to help kids deal with the problem is to work with them on fixing it: end the burning of fossil fuels, re-invent agriculture, re-imagine cities... give them confidence to face grim realities and change them.

Again Wayne, I'm deeply sorry for that poor little girl, her family, and you.

Best wishes,

Ghoti

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