Time for us Pensioners to go

[explod]

In view of the economic burden on the country I have decided with a number of other voices on Social Media today to ask the Government to legalise euthenasia ASAP so that we can depart with dignity and allow the younger generation to survive without the burden.

I am ready to go.

 

[drsmith]

In view of the economic burden on the country I have decided with a number of other voices on Social Media today to ask the Government to legalise euthenasia ASAP so that we can depart with dignity and allow the younger generation to survive without the burden.

I am ready to go.

The only thing you need to euthanase is your support for the Greens.

If you're already retired, you'll be OK. It's more gen X and later that will cop a later pension age and the like.

Aren't you financially self sufficient ?

 

[banco]

The only thing you need to euthanase is your support for the Greens.

Just pick up some nembutal in Mexico while you are still semi-functional. A few of them down the hatch and bob's your uncle.....

 

[drsmith]

Just pick up some nembutal in Mexico while you are still semi-functional. A few of them down the hatch and bob's your uncle.....

Changing who one votes for I think is a little less drastic.

 

[DB008]

The only thing you need to euthanase is your support for the Greens.

2 political parties can help you xplod

The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP)

Assisted Suicide​

http://www.ldp.org.au/index.php/policies/1142-assisted-suicide

The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) believes in the inalienable right of individuals to end their lives painlessly, at a time of their choosing, and to be legally able to obtain information and assistance to do so with dignity.

The LDP is committed to enacting legislation to allow all adult Australians the right to assisted suicide provided there are appropriate safety mechanisms to ensure consent is given freely and confirmed.

The Greens

DYING WITH DIGNITY
​

http://greens.org.au/dying-with-dignity

Terminally ill people experiencing intolerable pain, suffering or distress should be able to choose to die a peaceful and dignified death at the time of their choosing.

Conservative MPs have stymied voluntary euthanasia legislation in most parliaments across Australia, but a 2011 survey found that 75% of Australians believed that a terminally ill person should be allowed to access physician assisted suicide.

The Greens will move a Senate inquiry into voluntary euthanasia in the next parliament, with a view to introducing federal legislation to grant terminally ill people the right to request assistance from a medical practitioner to help end their life.

The Greens’ Dying with Dignity legislation will provide terminally ill people with access to medical assistance to end their lives, establish safeguards to ensure to protect the vulnerable, and protect physicians who provide medical assistance.

And in regards to the thread, us Gen X & Y 'ers will have a heavy burden on our shoulders to support all the baby boomers. This is pretty much the same world over (Western at least). USA is going to have major problems...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/retirement-gamble/

 

[sptrawler]

Maybe we could just have a voluntary euthanasia bus in every capital city. It could run once a week, unless demand called for a more regular service.
If demand for the service proved to be extremely popular, the government could possibly roll out similar schemes in country areas.
Isn't it wonderfull to be past your useby date.lol

By the way, I don't see many gen x or y doing it too tough, plenty of lattes and muffin tops.lol

 

[banco]

Maybe we could just have a voluntary euthanasia bus in every capital city. It could run once a week, unless demand called for a more regular service.
If demand for the service proved to be extremely popular, the government could possibly roll out similar schemes in country areas.
Isn't it wonderfull to be past your useby date.lol

By the way, I don't see many gen x or y doing it too tough, plenty of lattes and muffin tops.lol

The grey deluge has yet to really hit us yet.

 

[Calliope]

In view of the economic burden on the country I have decided with a number of other voices on Social Media today to ask the Government to legalise euthenasia ASAP so that we can depart with dignity and allow the younger generation to survive without the burden.

I am ready to go.

Surely you wouldn't be on the old age pension. I thought the ex-coppers pension was very generous.

 

[So_Cynical]

Just pick up some nembutal in Mexico while you are still semi-functional. A few of them down the hatch and bob's your uncle.....

This seems to be the popular route, a trip i plan to take in about 12 or 15 years time, just so i have it at hand > for like future use, if and when...you know.

 

[brty]

Assuming the thread is tongue in cheek...

"Maybe we could just have a voluntary euthanasia bus in every capital city. It could run once a week"

Yes, you just have to step in front of it, instead of on to it.

 

[Julia]

Assuming the thread is tongue in cheek...

"Maybe we could just have a voluntary euthanasia bus in every capital city. It could run once a week"

Yes, you just have to step in front of it, instead of on to it.

Understanding that the thread is more or less tongue in cheek, the reality is, however, that many people do in fact put themselves in the path of an oncoming train, perhaps less a bus. That's up to them. But the awful trauma occurring to the train driver is something they either don't consider or don't care about.

On importing nembutal, I imagine it's much less easy than it sounds. How good would any of us be at lying to Customs on not having any prohibited items on re-entering the country? What are the odds on being searched if you're an older person having suddenly had a one off trip to Mexico?

I don't believe any changes to pensioners' existence will be immediate and affect those already on the government pension. Rather, the government is probably paving the way for tougher means testing and an extension of the age entitlement well into the future.

I'm not at all sure about pushing out the age to 70. I understand there is already a huge discrimination against people over 50 looking for a job, so finding work in late 60's would seem to be a pretty hard ask. If the pension is not available then those people who haven't funded their own retirement will apparently be put onto the Newstart payment along with 20 year olds. I think that, before this were to happen, the government should look at saving via other means such as tighter means testing of people with high value family homes who are presently still able to achieve the full pension.

No need for the emotive rhetoric about 'turning old people out of their homes'. They can stay there and draw on the equity in the home via a reverse mortgage, providing an income stream which is paid off on their death if they are so worried about relinquishing a large place that is probably far too big for them in old age anyway.

The problem the Abbott government has in selling any impost on pensioners is their insistence on the extravagant PPL. Many current pensioners spent their working lives genuinely believing that their payment of taxes entitled them to a taxpayer funded old age pension which would allow them to live in modest comfort in their old age. Few, it seems, actually stopped to consider that that pension would be less than adequate and/or that it could be adjusted downwards.

And in addition, governments of both persuasions have so courted the grey vote that unnecessary embellishments to the basic pension have been offered and are now expected. They are now having to deal with the negative reality of what they have wrought themselves.

 

[banco]

On importing nembutal, I imagine it's much less easy than it sounds. How good would any of us be at lying to Customs on not having any prohibited items on re-entering the country? What are the odds on being searched if you're an older person having suddenly had a one off trip to Mexico?

We only have anecdotal evidence but it probably happens more than then you think. Of course you are better off spending a couple of weeks in the US/Mexico to make it look less suspicious (hardly unknown for oldies to travel overseas for holidays) but if you are a 75 year old and get caught with a bottle of nembutal what are they going to do really?

 

[Julia]

We only have anecdotal evidence but it probably happens more than then you think. Of course you are better off spending a couple of weeks in the US/Mexico to make it look less suspicious (hardly unknown for oldies to travel overseas for holidays) but if you are a 75 year old and get caught with a bottle of nembutal what are they going to do really?

Presumably they will seize the nembutal so your journey will have been in vain, and you could be liable for prosecution. Seems unnecessarily risky and potentially traumatic to me.

 

[DB008]

On importing nembutal, I imagine it's much less easy than it sounds. How good would any of us be at lying to Customs on not having any prohibited items on re-entering the country? What are the odds on being searched if you're an older person having suddenly had a one off trip to Mexico?

Is 'nembutal' the drug of choice? Aren't there literally hundreds (if not thousands) of drugs that can be used?

 

[Julia]

Is 'nembutal' the drug of choice? Aren't there literally hundreds (if not thousands) of drugs that can be used?

Probably best to take this to the Suicide and Euthanasia thread, and I'm not sure that discussion on this forum about specific drugs and, more relevantly, their availability won't put Joe at some sort of risk.
Nembutal (pentobarbital) is a barbiturate. Used to be quite widely prescribed as a hypnotic until the development of the benzodiazepines. Now virtually unavailable. Used as a short acting anaesthetic. Hence the reason people travel all the way to Mexico to buy it from some back street veterinary supply shop and risk bringing back a prohibited import to Australia.

 

[SirRumpole]

I'm a self funded retiree and it's going o be a number of years before I can claim a pension.

I just wonder if anyone has done the sums as to the amount of tax an individual actually pays compared to the direct return they get in services ?

Yes, we have to pay for defence which is a type of 'insurance', but what is the value of services we receive as ndividuals ?

If we have children at public school, their education is paid for, university fees are subsidised, roads are generally tax funded, but most other things we pay for in some way through income tax, rates, gst, private health insurance, Medicare levy, power and water bills etc.

Just wondering if there have been any studies on this.

 

[noco]

I am getting old and they tell me aged care homes are not what they should be, so I am going to commit rape at 90 and spend the rest of my days in prison because they tell me you get better treatment there than in an aged care home. They tell me it is like living free in a luxury resort

 

[Bill M]

I think that, before this were to happen, the government should look at saving via other means such as tighter means testing of people with high value family homes who are presently still able to achieve the full pension.

No need for the emotive rhetoric about 'turning old people out of their homes'. They can stay there and draw on the equity in the home via a reverse mortgage, providing an income stream which is paid off on their death if they are so worried about relinquishing a large place that is probably far too big for them in old age anyway.

This has always been something I don't really agree with. As you all know I lived on the Northern Beaches of Sydney. In my working life I had to call on many an old lady living in a house alone in Balgowlah Heights. Balgowlah Heights is a very expensive suburb and a knockdown house would set you back $2 Million at least. Why are people allowed to hoard multi million dollar houses and then get the full pension? Your idea is good Julia, the PPR should be means tested and the pensioner should retain the right to live there. As you say, a form of reverse mortgage would enable this.

Why are we paying government pensions to multi millionaires?

 

[Bill M]

I am ready to go.

I hope not too soon, you are too valuable to this forum.

 

[SirRumpole]

I am getting old and they tell me aged care homes are not what they should be, so I am going to commit rape at 90 and spend the rest of my days in prison because they tell me you get better treatment there than in an aged care home. They tell me it is like living free in a luxury resort

I hope you have plenty of Viagra stocked up