The Abbott Government

[Knobby22]

You and your conspiracy theories noco!
it was taken nationally by an independent company.

 

[Julia]

You and your conspiracy theories noco!
it was taken nationally by an independent company.

There's never any suggested malarkey when any poll favours one's 'own side'.

Mr Burns and noco: there is quite widespread disquiet about both the attitude taken by Scott Morrison which is seen by many as arrogant and unreasonable, and now Mr Abbott's handling thus far of the Indonesian situation is making some people very anxious.

I voted for the Coalition, and am still glad I did, but have reservations about some of their performance so far.
I'm putting it down to them still finding it a bit difficult to switch from Opposition mode to the quite different behaviour needed in government, and hope they'll settle down soon. Certainly they've been handed a red hot issue with the Indonesian attitude.

 

[trainspotter]

Labor MP's dropping like flies in Victoria. Ann Barker has just chucked in the towel. Meanwhile the Indo press has finally gone too far in it's endeavor to assist diplomatic relations between the two countries.

 

[IFocus]

The polling doesn't mean labor would get voted in, it means people want to send a message to the government.

The reasons?
- the Indonesian diplomatic mishandling
- the budget problems and the mention of putting capital gains tax on the family home and increasing the age pension age to 70.

Maybe an attack dog doesn't make a good guide dog?

Certainly reflects IMHO that the people wanted Labor out but were not to keen on Abbott in. If the polling continues it will be the shortest honey moon ever.

On watching the insiders Tanya P must have repeated 4 times how Abbott the very best of advice available to him on the SBY issue.

I wonder if they (Labor) have heard Abbott has ignored good advice.

 

[sails]

Essential poll:

2pp Coalition 53 to Labor 47

http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

 

[AAA]

Certainly reflects IMHO that the people wanted Labor out but were not to keen on Abbott in. If the polling continues it will be the shortest honey moon ever.

On watching the insiders Tanya P must have repeated 4 times how Abbott the very best of advice available to him on the SBY issue.

I wonder if they (Labor) have heard Abbott has ignored good advice.

What specific advice would you have given to Abbott on handling this situation. What do you think would constitute good advice.

 

[sails]

What specific advice would you have given to Abbott on handling this situation. What do you think would constitute good advice.

If you are asking IFocus his answer is likely to be whatever might hurt Abbott the most. Happy to be corrected...

 

[noco]

Essential poll:

2pp Coalition 53 to Labor 47

http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

I believe that is more like it.

 

[AAA]

If you are asking IFocus his answer is likely to be whatever might hurt Abbott the most. Happy to be corrected...

Maybe. I would just like to hear what those critical of Abbott would have done in this situation.

That essential vision poll is interesting. Has the coalition ahead of labor on most issues including the environment and handling climate change.

 

[Whiskers]

Essential poll:

2pp Coalition 53 to Labor 47

http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

The big difference is the essential poll was reported on the 19th of Nov. It's not clear on what prior days the poll was done on.

The Age/Nielsen Poll was conducted from the 21st to 23rd of November.

I believe that is more like it.

I suppose it would be IF you could make the days in between and the bigger hole Abbott dug for himself, go away... BUT you can't!

 

[IFocus]

What specific advice would you have given to Abbott on handling this situation. What do you think would constitute good advice.

The advice Tanya Plibersek was talking about would have come from public servants with 30 years plus experience in Indonesian affairs and intelligence gathering.

The fact she repeatedly said it was unusual.

What do I think................don't say how good a friend someone is (SBY is one of the closest friends in Asia we have and has spoken on our behalf more than once) and treat them with contempt simple.

Bugging his and his wife's phone is personal...............and in an election cycle.

If SBY is our friend Abbott should have picked up the phone and phoned a friend SBY.

What do you suggest that he has taken the best action with out letting SBY save face?

Do you think Abbott saying how embarrassing it must be for SBY was a master stroke?

 

[noco]

The big difference is the essential poll was reported on the 19th of Nov. It's not clear on what prior days the poll was done on.

The Age/Nielsen Poll was conducted from the 21st to 23rd of November.



I suppose it would be IF you could make the days in between and the bigger hole Abbott dug for himself, go away... BUT you can't!

What in the hell are you taliking about?

A bit more wishful thinking ha.

 

[Whiskers]

Meanwhile the Indo press has finally gone too far in it's endeavor to assist diplomatic relations between the two countries.

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Why do you blame the press?

If Abbott had been more 'diplomatic' they wouldn't have had a story at all, would they?

Soo, are you suggesting our press doesn't do similar cartoons?

 

[Whiskers]

What in the hell are you taliking about?

It's called CONTEXT... sorting the facts, the historical sequence the polls were taken in.

The essential poll is a week older than the Age/Nielson poll. How difficult is that to comprehend

A bit more wishful thinking ha.

The only wishful thinking is from fools that portray information out of context, wishing other people would believe it.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html

http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

 

[AAA]

The advice Tanya Plibersek was talking about would have come from public servants with 30 years plus experience in Indonesian affairs and intelligence gathering.

The fact she repeatedly said it was unusual.

What do I think................don't say how good a friend someone is (SBY is one of the closest friends in Asia we have and has spoken on our behalf more than once) and treat them with contempt simple.

Bugging his and his wife's phone is personal...............and in an election cycle.

If SBY is our friend Abbott should have picked up the phone and phoned a friend SBY.

What do you suggest that he has taken the best action with out letting SBY save face?

Do you think Abbott saying how embarrassing it must be for SBY was a master stroke?

Do you think SBY was embarrassed. I think he was. I think Abbott said something along the lines of he regretted the embarrassment cause. Maybe he could have said he regretted the distress it caused.

You suggest Abbott should have called SBY. Other Labor figures have said he should have followed Obama's example. Well Obama didn't call Merkel. She called him.

The problem for Abbott is there is no perfect solution for this. Do you think Abbott should have rung, confessed all and promised we will never do it again.

It would be a fairly meaningless gesture to call SBY and say sorry but we are still going to spy on you.

We could agree to not spy on him but where do we stop. Do we not spy on any members of his government, miltary ect.

Add to this we don't know what else Snowden is exposing. Are we going to have to fess up and promise to not spy on anyone else.

Abbott took the time honoured position and refused to talk about our intelligence matters. I believe as do many others this was the best policy. It is not a perfect policy as their are downsides and risks. However I don't see a perfect risk free policy.

 

[drsmith]

Inside tip on the next Essential poll ?

Reader Gavin H says Peter Lewis of Essential Research has told the ABC that tomorrow’s Essential poll will have the Coalition holding the same 53-47 lead over Labor it’s had for a while.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/nielsen_poll_labor_ahead/

Newspoll,

Based on preference flows at the 2010 election, the Coalition's two-party-preferred lead is now 52 per cent to Labor's 48 per cent a slight narrowing in the past fortnight. At the election, the two-party-preferred result was 53.5 per cent for the Coalition and 46.5 per cent for Labor.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...g-its-poll-glow/story-e6frg6n6-1226768225062#

There's also been no media reports of any boats over the past week that I've seen.

 

[sails]

Inside tip on the next Essential poll ?



http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/nielsen_poll_labor_ahead/

Newspoll,



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...g-its-poll-glow/story-e6frg6n6-1226768225062#

There's also been no media reports of any boats over the past week that I've seen.

Thanks Drsmith - it looks like the essential poll I posted earlier was from last week. Interesting that they still have the same result this week.

 

[Whiskers]

Inside tip on the next Essential poll ?



http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/nielsen_poll_labor_ahead/

Newspoll,



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...g-its-poll-glow/story-e6frg6n6-1226768225062#

There's also been no media reports of any boats over the past week that I've seen.

Hey doc, why would you contaminate an otherwise reasonable argument with comment from someone like Andrew Bolt?

There will be differences in polls from week to week depending on the issue of the week and how the preference count is derived.

But the most important point is that regardless of which poll you prefer, even Newspoll acknowledges the coalition has lost that tiny 2% swing it got out of the 4.6% swing away from Labor last election on first preferences, similar to the Age/Nielsen poll below. That alone has the potential to alter the seat count very considerably should an election be sprung unexpectedly.

..the Coalition has dropped almost three percentage points below its September election result of 45.6 per cent to 43per cent. During the same period, Labor's primary vote has risen three points, to 35 per cent the first time it has been above the election-day result of 33.3 per cent. - See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y-e6frg6n6-1226768225062#sthash.LmInRTAG.dpuf​

Isn't the two party preference skewed in the Essential poll and Newspoll who both still use a calculated preference flow from the 2010 election. A lot has changed since then.

Essential poll: NB. The data in the above tables comprise 2-week averages derived from the first preference/leaning to voting questions. Respondents who select ‘don’t know’ are not included in the results. The two-party preferred estimate is calculated by distributing the votes of the other parties according to their preferences at the 2010 election.
http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport​

Whereas the Age/Nielsen poll indicates a more real time basis, calculated by how respondents said they would allocate preferences.

TWO-PARTY PREFERRED BASED ON 139 OUT OF 150 ELECTORATES.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html​

Wouldn't it be political suicide for Abbott (and his strident supporters) to rely on a poll with an out dated calculated preference flow from 2010?

Better to tone down the behaviour Tony, than try to twist around and beat up the polls to give a false illusion... or more importantly, delusion of voter support.

 

[bunyip]

What do I think................don't say how good a friend someone is (SBY is one of the closest friends in Asia we have and has spoken on our behalf more than once) and treat them with contempt simple.

I thought the phone bugging took place when your hero Rudd was in power.
If anyone showed contempt for SBY, the culprit was Rudd.

 

[trainspotter]

Why do you blame the press?

If Abbott had been more 'diplomatic' they wouldn't have had a story at all, would they?

Soo, are you suggesting our press doesn't do similar cartoons?

*rattle rattle* I am of the opinion that the cartoon has gone too far in picturing Abbott as a peeping Tom, masturbating whilst looking inside a door marked Indonesia. The worst cartoon that I saw from our press was SBY pushing the asylum seekers boats our way. Small difference eh? Play the ball and not the man. Abbott did not orchestrate this mess, Rudd was in power at the time so one can safely assume (for the nth time this has been said) that Tony clearly has nothing to apologise for !

I do not see anyone burning the Indonesian flag outside their embassy in protest for the human rights atrocities they have caused? Anyone remember Roger East? Balibo 5 ring any bells? This is SBY and his cronyism government making mileage out of a looming election. Nothing more and nothing less.

We shall await for the SBY response to PM Abbots letter outlining the reason behind the Rudd governments decision to spy on "our dear friend".