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noco said:
Abbott has plenty of ammo against Gillard so why does he not use it to full advantage?
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With the budget position getting worse by the day and other Labor woes, perhaps he's giving Julia Gillard a little extra rope from which to call an early election.
 
drsmith said:
With the budget position getting worse by the day and other Labor woes, perhaps he's giving Julia Gillard a little extra rope from which to call an early election.
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Yes Doc, I heard or read an article yesterday whereby there could be an election s early as March. Gillard and Swan seem to know things are going to get worse mid 2013 and with her on a roll with bashing of Abbott, she may think she has the advantage.

The other problem for Gillard maybe Criag Thomson and Peter Slipper.
 
noco said:
Yes Doc, I heard or read an article yesterday whereby there could be an election s early as March. Gillard and Swan seem to know things are going to get worse mid 2013 and with her on a roll with bashing of Abbott, she may think she has the advantage.

The other problem for Gillard maybe Criag Thomson and Peter Slipper.
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I'm wondering if she might pay the GG a visit this weekend before Parliament resumes.

If she doesn't, TA will want to lift his game, otherwise it will be him spending Christmas off his political high perch.
 
dutchie said:
The Labor Government has spending money down pat (does not matter on what - just spend it).

However its having a bit of a problem gathering money.

Zero return for mining tax
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...n-for-mining-tax/story-fn59nqgy-1226502812805

:( Wish I could get the same deal on my income tax!
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dutchie, it is historical of all Green/Labor governments whether Federal, State or Local. They just have no idea how to manage money.

They are just starting to find out money does not grow on trees!!!!!!!
 
A great way to scare off foreign investment. Why bother building/investing/expanding a mine here, when you can go to another country with more favourable conditions....
 
noco said:
How much more ruthless can Gillard get? Her disposal of Kevin Rudd was planned months ahead.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...o-watch-his-back/story-fn59niix-1226503509064
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LABOR frontbencher Anthony Albanese warned Kevin Rudd to "watch his back" in May 2010, after realising six months earlier that Julia Gillard was going for the leadership when she intervened in a NSW preselection brawl.

In Tales from the Political Trenches, former Labor MP Maxine McKew says both Mr Albanese and Mr Rudd's chief of staff Alister Jordan came to the conclusion the night before the leadership changed that "Rudd was the victim of an ambush that had been months in the planning".

It's more than likely true...I recall that Albanese backed Rudd in his leadership challege earlier this year.
 
noco said:
How much more ruthless can Gillard get? Her disposal of Kevin Rudd was planned months ahead.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...o-watch-his-back/story-fn59niix-1226503509064
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Gillard has denied Maxine McKew's claims of plotting to over throw Rudd weeks before, stating she only had made up her mind the day before. How could she have gathered the numbers to support just 24 hours before the 23rd June 2010.

She has lied on several occassions before and she has lied again. She is a compulsive liar and she just can't help herself.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...mined-rudd-mckew/story-e6freono-1226503530164
 
Julia said:
Of course TA is not a hater of women. He is, however, very, very conservative in some of his views about women, or at least has been in the past. This is in contrast to the liberal, 'progressive' Turnbull whose philosophy seems more aligned with the Greens than any other party.

At this stage, though, isn't it coming down to who is the most politically skilled? Labor's McTernan - the adviser imported from the UK - seems to have put in place a strategy which is working well in terms of destroying TA.
Mr Abbott seems clueless about how to respond to this, is continuing to make silly remarks (e.g. the government don't have enough experience about children!), while Joe Hockey as shadow Treasurer is less than reassuring.
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You are spot on Julia, Abbott should offer the U.K advisor twice as much money as Labor are paying.
Labor are all singing off the same song sheet, even if it's bad news they sing its praise.
Tony is certainly struggling with a response, really the Gillard spray shouldn't have been that difficult to negate.
However the "experience with children comment" looked clumsy and limp.
As you say, they will need to come up with a new stratergy.
 
The left are clearly trying (and succeeding) to deflect attention from Gillard's incompetence to personal attacks on the opposition leader. Even if the coalition changed leaders, I suspect labor would continue with similar vitriolic personal attacks. They could have a field day with Turnbull and the Gretch affair. They would attempt to severely discredit any leader.

Perhaps Julie Bishop should take over so she can slam the balls back into Gillard's court without the risk of silly misogyny accusations. It is clearly difficult for any male opposition leader to defend himself (let alone attack) because the sexist thing would re-emerge with vengeance.

And now it's Abbott's fault that Thomson's house was raided. Did Abbott also steal his union credit card and use it for prostitutes? How absolutely stupid to they think Aussie voters are?

Oh that's right, clerarly there are some gullible ones who are falling for this nasty smear tactic against another human being and are not standing up against the bully behaviour. If we get another three years of this spending government allowing thousands of boat arrivals, it will be our own fault if we find ourselves subjected to sharia law and debt even more out of control. I can't believe the stupidity.

Gerard Henderson notes yet another example of The Age turning a Labor disgrace into a slap at Tony Abbott:
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Read more: Thomson raided. Abbott blamed
 
sails said:
If we get another three years of this spending government allowing thousands of boat arrivals, it will be our own fault if we find ourselves subjected to sharia law and debt even more out of control. I can't believe the stupidity.
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We won't get another three years of this government, unless the upcoming Coalition government is no better.
 
drsmith said:
We won't get another three years of this government, unless the upcoming Coalition government is no better.
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I just can't believe that some people are falling in line behind the piper. This government has not improved it's performance and has actually lowered the standards by the vitriolic accusations to the leader of the opposition. Defies belief that Gillard can swing her line on the same day in parliament that she supported Slipper.

In any case, this is not a popularity contest. Sadly, voters are being sucked in to believe it is.

I don't care who the leader of the opposition is - I just think the gutter tactics being used to divert attention from the real issues stink to high heaven.

The piper will one day need to be paid and it's likely our kids and grandkids that are going to pay the price and they will curse the stupidity of this generation for allowing themselves to be fooled.
 
sails said:
I just can't believe that some people are falling in line behind the piper.
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Alternatively, people are simply recognising that Mr Abbott's performance is woefully lacking.
This government has not improved its performance and has actually lowered the standards by the vitriolic accusations to the leader of the opposition.
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At the same time, however much the electorate wants to be rid of the government, it needs a valid reason to vote for the opposition. There is simply little evidence of this at present.
It seems that Tony Abbott gained so well on the basis of his dire predictions about the carbon tax. But now that people are perceiving this to be less than catastrophic, he has little else to offer.
He also looks pretty silly talking about 'big new taxes' when he plans to tax business for his ridiculously generous maternity scheme.

In any case, this is not a popularity contest. Sadly, voters are being sucked in to believe it is.
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Of course it's a popularity contest. Why else would both sides be directing all their efforts into discrediting the competition? Why else would Labor have imported McTernan from the UK to direct their spin?
And if that were to be wrong, and in fact voters were sitting down and seriously only considering the policies offered by each side (ignoring the awkwardness and silly comments of both Abbott and Hockey), they'd be pretty hard pressed to come up with anything serious from the Libs. Even the "turn back the boats" is looking pretty hollow in the face of Indonesia's reluctance to co-operate with this. Why should they? They don't want asylum seekers adding to their already considerable problems in Indonesia. The more who leave for Australia, the better for Indonesia, surely?

I don't care who the leader of the opposition is - I just think the gutter tactics being used to divert attention from the real issues stink to high heaven.
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Absolutely true. But it's working and if it continues to work amongst enough people, and if Tony Abbott continues to fail to come up with a counter strategy, it could well see us with another four years of Labor.
 
Julia said:
...Absolutely true. But it's working and if it continues to work amongst enough people, and if Tony Abbott continues to fail to come up with a counter strategy, it could well see us with another four years of Labor.
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So what sort of counter strategy would you suggest?
 
sails said:
So what sort of counter strategy would you suggest?
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Not up to me to suggest anything. I'm not contending the position of Prime Minister of Australia.

However, a decent start might be not continually offering Labor material to work with, such as the stupid comment about the government dying of shame a couple of weeks ago, and then this week equally stupid comment about the government being inexperienced about children.

He seems determined to stab himself in the foot by so gifting Gillard et al with such ammunition for them to jump on, achieving absolutely nothing positive for either himself or his party in the process.

Just not the sort of lack of political nous you'd expect from someone with Mr Abbott's years of experience.

The polls show you that much of the electorate seems to share my despair about Mr Abbott.
 
Julia said:
Not up to me to suggest anything. I'm not contending the position of Prime Minister of Australia.

However, a decent start might be not continually offering Labor material to work with, such as the stupid comment about the government dying of shame a couple of weeks ago, and then this week equally stupid comment about the government being inexperienced about children.

He seems determined to stab himself in the foot by so gifting Gillard et al with such ammunition for them to jump on, achieving absolutely nothing positive for either himself or his party in the process.

Just not the sort of lack of political nous you'd expect from someone with Mr Abbott's years of experience.

The polls show you that much of the electorate seems to share my despair about Mr Abbott.
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So, he's made two mistakes. How many has Gillard made? Too numerous to count, imo. But she has learned if she goes with the bully tactics, she can get away with anything.

Usually the best way to counter a bully is not to give him/her satisfaction. Sadly, the Aussie public and certain media are giving Gillard satisfaction and rewarding her bully behaviour. Sad really.

She has Abbott boxed in - anything he says she sprouts that it is misogynist or sexist (whether it actually is doesn't seem to matter).

It would seem the best strategy would be to put Julie Bishop into the top job to take on Gillard - but then McTernan would undoubtedly find some way of making the public hate her too.

I can only hope voters see through these very nasty tactics. Politics should be about policies and not about a popularity contest. John Howard was not the most popular and yet he was a long serving PM. Gillard is turning it into a popularity contest because she knows she has failed on policy and competence. Much easier to throw mud than perform well.
 
I don't disagree with any of that, sails. But the political reality is that if the Libs want to win the election, they have to devise more successful tactics than they are presently employing.

And it's hardly right to say that mr Abbott has made only two mistakes: I just offered two recent examples.

I quite like the idea of Julie Bishop. With her elegance, she would be a fine contrast to Ms Gillard's shrewish demeanour.
 

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