The Gillard Government

[dutchie]

The Handbag Hit Squad apparently found Slipper worthy of their defence in spite of his lewd misogynism.

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You could not write a Hollywood script like this.

 

[pilots]

ALP love are very happy with Slipper, you see we are not talking about the boats that are coming every day.

 

[moXJO]

Warning. Many people are circulating a tweet allegedly from Julia Gillard’s Twitter account:


The grubby & hypocritical attacks by the Liberal Party on Speaker Peter Slipper MP, a man of distinction, has forced his resignation. TeamJG


This account is fake. Gillard did not send this tweet.

 

[basilio]

I thought yesterday was an excellent piece of political work by Julia Gilliard and the Independents over the Peter Slipper affair.

After the Peter Slipper texts came out it would have been impossible to continue having him as Speaker. However it was also unacceptable to have him sacked without due process and certainly not at the hands of Tony Abbotts "dying of shame " comments.

So the clever trick was having the Independents Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott tell Peter Slipper that unless he agreed to resign they would vote him out. This at least gave Peter a more dignified exit and avoided the situation of Parliament summarily sacking the speaker without due process.

Tony Abbott then walked into the trap of continuing his personal abuse of the PM and giving her the opportunity to dismember him piece by piece in what will be remembered as a classic turning the tables.

Clever, ruthless work in getting the best out of an appalling situation...

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The Age story today suggest this strategy.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...lards-support-for-slipper-20121010-27c5u.html

 

[moXJO]

I thought yesterday was an excellent piece of political work by Julia Gilliard and the Independents over the Peter Slipper affair.

After the Peter Slipper texts came out it would have been impossible to continue having him as Speaker. However it was also unacceptable to have him sacked without due process and certainly not at the hands of Tony Abbotts "dying of shame " comments.

So the clever trick was having the Independents Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott tell Peter Slipper that unless he agreed to resign they would vote him out. This at least gave Peter a more dignified exit and avoided the situation of Parliament summarily sacking the speaker without due process.

Tony Abbott then walked into the trap of continuing his personal abuse of the PM and giving her the opportunity to dismember him piece by piece in what will be remembered as a classic turning the tables.

Clever, ruthless work in getting the best out of an appalling situation...

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The Age story today suggest this strategy.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...lards-support-for-slipper-20121010-27c5u.html

Or it looks like once again labor sticks its neck on the block to survive. After Roxon gave special treatment to Slipper during the court case, now we have the government in another grubby deal to survive. Lets remember that slipper became speaker via labor appointing him to the job (despite the rumors about him) in a bid to shore up numbers. Dodgy deals seem to be labors specialty

 

[Calliope]

Still no criticism of Slipper by the usually judgmental basilio.

 

[basilio]

Further thoughts after my previous comment.

Ok lets accept that after the Peter Slipper texts came out his position as Speaker of the House should be reviewed. In the current social climate it was just too tacky (even if he was doing a fair job as Speaker)

A bi-partisan approach would have seen all parties have a quiet talk to the Speaker and offer him the opportunity to resign with some dignity. In that context we wouldn't have seen the Tony Abbott assault, Julia Gilliards ferocious counter attack and the public trashing of the Parliament. Instead the public would have viewed a constructive approach to keeping respect for the centerpiece of our parliamentary democratic system.

Would have been a better look wouldn't it ?

And on a broader note how many Parliamentarians on either side of politics could afford to have private emails, texts and comments publicly vetted for "being nice" ? How many of us could face similar scrutiny ? Would we expect to be summarily dismissed from our positions because some nasty piece of work chose to publicise the less attractive comments we made at some time in some place ?

 

[drsmith]

So the clever trick was having the Independents Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott tell Peter Slipper that unless he agreed to resign they would vote him out. This at least gave Peter a more dignified exit and avoided the situation of Parliament summarily sacking the speaker without due process.

Tony Abbott then walked into the trap of continuing his personal abuse of the PM and giving her the opportunity to dismember him piece by piece in what will be remembered as a classic turning the tables.

Clever, ruthless work in getting the best out of an appalling situation...

Tony Windsor's and Rob Oakshott's intervention gave Peter Slipper a more dignified exit, but, did he deserve it and what specific due process did it follow ?

The government made the situation appaling for itself by continuting to support him as speaker. Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott obviously didn't want to see the government lose such a vote on the floor. Had the government used its brains, they would have encouraged Peter Slipper to resign from the speakership before parliament sat. His offending text messages were reported by the media over the weekend, so the government had plenty of time to act before yesterday.

Tony Abbott criticised the government and Julia Gillard for appointing Peter Slipper as speaker and for continuing to support him. He fought hard, but did not resort to personal abuse. Julia Gillard on the other hand referred to him as "that man". Just imagine for a moment the outcry if Tony Abbott referred to Julia Gillard as "that woman".

Julia Gillard also sought to use her late Father's recent passing for political gain. She was also the one who originally yelled across the the chamber to the opposition, "bring it on". She can hardly complain that the kitchen is too hot from getting more than she bargained for.

 

[dutchie]

Any person that votes for Labor approves of misogyny (just like the 70 yesterday).

 

[basilio]

Tony Windsor's and Rob Oakshott's intervention gave Peter Slipper a more dignified exit, but, did he deserve it and what specific due process did it follow ?

The government made the situation appaling for itself by continuting to support him as speaker. Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott obviously didn't want to see the government lose such a vote on the floor. Had the government used its brains, they would have encouraged Peter Slipper to resign from the speakership before parliament sat. His offending text messages were reported by the media over the weekend, so the government had plenty of time to act before yesterday.

I think the political process is so bitter at the moment that due process is simply ignored in favour of abuse.

Clearly what Peter Slipper said was gross/tacky etc. As I said previously I doubt that many members on either side could pass that particular test of propriety over their lives.

I think Peter Slipper had to go for a range of reasons. His Parliamentary career prior to being speaker had caused many problems to the Liberals. I think his use of perks was very questionable. Labour thought they were clever in giving him the Speakers role to shore up their support and so they have to take responsibility for accepting his failings as well.

In my view this parliament has been dominated by Tony Abbotts determination to bring down the government and become PM. He is not trying to offer constructive alternatives. He is not interested in improving political outcomes. He just wants to be PM and to get there it seems he will say or do whatever is required - regardless of other consequences. Hence his determination to attack the Government at all times rather than come to a bipartisan constructive approach to the damage peter Slipper was doing to the role of Speaker.

 

[drsmith]

Peter Slipper should have never been elevated to Speaker in the first place, but that's what Labor did. Labor did it not for the good of parliament as a whole, but to shore up their own prospects of staying in office.

No amount of criticism of Tony Abbott or the Coalition can change that.

I think the political process is so bitter at the moment that due process is simply ignored in favour of abuse.

Again, what specifically was personally abusive to Julia Gillard in Tony Abbott's statement in parliament yesterday ?

 

[Calliope]

Again, what specifically was personally abusive to Julia Gillard in Tony Abbott's statement in parliament yesterday ?

Nothing. The real Julia was itching to go for his jugular. She attacked him like a snarling hyena. She needed mo more excuse than the mention of the word "shame.'

At 2.42 pm on Tuesday that someone rose to speak. The mask fell away. Julia Gillard came out snarling. The parliament had before it a great issue, the dignity of the house itself, which had been traduced by the scandal that had attached itself to Slipper.
Instead of directly addressing the issue of a discredited speakership which had become engulfed in an expensive and degrading legal action that did no credit to anyone involved, least of all the Attorney-General, the Prime Minister wasted no timing in using misdirection and personal abuse.
She even invoked the name of dead father: "My father did not die of shame!" she thundered across the dispatch box.
No one in the parliament ever said he did. Tony Abbott had said exactly the opposite when he spoke of her father.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...gender-card-20121010-27cnq.html#ixzz28rO2r4vm

 

[moXJO]

Well if the nation wasn't divided before it sure as hell is now

 

[Julia]

I thought yesterday was an excellent piece of political work by Julia Gilliard and the Independents over the Peter Slipper affair.

After the Peter Slipper texts came out it would have been impossible to continue having him as Speaker. However it was also unacceptable to have him sacked without due process and certainly not at the hands of Tony Abbotts "dying of shame " comments.

So the clever trick was having the Independents Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott tell Peter Slipper that unless he agreed to resign they would vote him out. This at least gave Peter a more dignified exit and avoided the situation of Parliament summarily sacking the speaker without due process.

Tony Abbott then walked into the trap of continuing his personal abuse of the PM and giving her the opportunity to dismember him piece by piece in what will be remembered as a classic turning the tables.

Clever, ruthless work in getting the best out of an appalling situation...

Oh dear, basilio. We have a quite hideous situation and you still attempt to cast the government in a positive light. Unbelievable.

And on a broader note how many Parliamentarians on either side of politics could afford to have private emails, texts and comments publicly vetted for "being nice" ?

"being nice"? Where is your sense of propriety? There is a huge difference between someone 'not being nice' and suggesting female genitalia resemble "a jar of salty c....s", after the preceding description being of a resemblance to mussels!!!

How many of us could face similar scrutiny ? Would we expect to be summarily dismissed from our positions because some nasty piece of work chose to publicise the less attractive comments we made at some time in some place ?

Less attractive comments? Up to now, despite being bored with your evangelistic pursuits regarding climate change, I've regarded you as a person of reasonable principle, even if I don't agree with you.
But you have now virtually endorsed the vulgar abuse of women by your above defence and your failure to condemn the government for supporting the retention of Slipper, despite their continued recent accusations toward others of misogynistic and sexist behaviour.

Perhaps you could assist the forum by coming up with what I've asked for in another thread, i.e. some actual examples of Tony Abbott personally engaging in sexist remarks or behaviour. I look forward to this.

Tony Windsor's and Rob Oakshott's intervention gave Peter Slipper a more dignified exit, but, did he deserve it and what specific due process did it follow ?

The government made the situation appaling for itself by continuting to support him as speaker. Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott obviously didn't want to see the government lose such a vote on the floor. Had the government used its brains, they would have encouraged Peter Slipper to resign from the speakership before parliament sat. His offending text messages were reported by the media over the weekend, so the government had plenty of time to act before yesterday.

Exactly. The government clearly hoped they could sweep the whole disgusting business under the carpet.
Their support for him has set back the principles of feminism significantly and they are foolish indeed if they do not think many of the country's female voters will not take this into account when they vote.

Tony Abbott criticised the government and Julia Gillard for appointing Peter Slipper as speaker and for continuing to support him. He fought hard, but did not resort to personal abuse. Julia Gillard on the other hand referred to him as "that man". Just imagine for a moment the outcry if Tony Abbott referred to Julia Gillard as "that woman".

Julia Gillard also sought to use her late Father's recent passing for political gain. She was also the one who originally yelled across the the chamber to the opposition, "bring it on". She can hardly complain that the kitchen is too hot from getting more than she bargained for.

It seems that any criticism by anyone now, toward Julia Gillard can be labelled "sexist" or "misogynistic".
How utterly ridiculous.

 

[Logique]

A leader should unite, not divide. Smear is no substitute for policy.

Another Fairfax journo probably cleaning out his desk.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...gender-card-20121010-27cnq.html#ixzz28rr0nV9q
Gillard reveals true nature in playing gender card

..the mask has finally dropped away to reveal the driver of the politics of hate in Australia.
The mask fell at exactly 2.42pm in the House of Representatives..

 

[sptrawler]

A leader should unite, not divide. Smear is no substitute for policy.

Another Fairfax journo probably cleaning out his desk.

Brilliant Logique, absolutely priceless, a juorno calling it as it is. This government won't be remembered or missed.


The mask fell at exactly 2.42pm in the House of Representatives. Looking on were the member for Gutter, Anthony Albanese, the member for Sewer, Wayne Swan, the Minister for Innuendo, Tanya Plibersek, and the Compromise-General, Nicola Roxon, and the independents who will do anything to avoid facing their electorates, Mr Insufferable, Robert Oakeshott, and his fellow regional zombie, Mr Unspeakable, Tony Windsor

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...gender-card-20121010-27cnq.html#ixzz28yf0u2QJ

 

[IFocus]

A leader should unite, not divide. Smear is no substitute for policy.

Another Fairfax journo probably cleaning out his desk.

Everyone is talking about the dying of shame comments but Abbott took some serious hits over his image of standing in front of the rallies with the nasty sexiest placards behind him which I thought were more damaging.

Gillards speech received world wide coverage unlike Abbott's

 

[Calliope]

Everyone is talking about the dying of shame comments but Abbott took some serious hits over his image of standing in front of the rallies with the nasty sexiest placards behind him which I thought were more damaging.

Gillards speech received world wide coverage unlike Abbott's

There is nothing sexy about Gillard being portrayed as a witch, nasty or otherwise.

 

[drsmith]

Gillards speech received world wide coverage unlike Abbott's

They don't cast a vote here.

 

[MrBurns]

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Gillards speech received world wide coverage unlike Abbott's

That was for curiosity not substance.
Like when an idiot goes berserk on CCTV, in fact very much like that.