The Gillard Government

[Logique]

I reckon......................this could bring down the Govt before too long.
It just takes 4 Corners or 60 Minutes to run with it and it's all over, they will be working on it now I would think.

Nice idea, but ..4 Corners, not going to happen.

 

[drsmith]

The real tragedy of course is the sensitive souls that will be tipped into that same situation if it becomes reality

Regardless of how you feel an Abbott Coalition government will perform, you have at least accepted it as a likely prospect and thus given a verdict on Gillard Labor.

That's a pass.

 

[DB008]

I was just reading a thread (You know, the one that Conroy mentioned the other day, "the NBN and dealing with the FUD" over on Whirlpool.

And a couple of quotes from Whirlpool posters...subject is the NBN - FUD.

ungulate

seven_tech writes...
He is a dangerous man for this country with that attitude.

http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/the-price-of-power.html

panther45

seven_tech writes...
He is a dangerous man for this country with that attitude.

Sure is. People are beginning to wake up to this.

zzzyz36
When people compare the cost of the NBN to other projects why don't they consider that it will benefit their entire country (22 million people) while other billion dollar projects will generally only service 10's or maybe 100's of thousands of people.

i.e. How does the cost per user compare to a big road project? A big road project that has no obvious accounting return and services maybe a few hundred unique visitors a year.

Mud Guts

seven_tech writes...
The man honestly cannot comprehend he is EVER wrong. He's been contradicted by MULTIPLE Coalition MP's for weeks on Carbon Tax, NBN, Asylum Seekers, you name it. But he'd NEVER back down.
He is a dangerous man for this country with that attitude.

This is the best that the Coalition can offer. How he manages to stay leader is beyond me.

All I can hope for is that prior to the election, the public support isn't there and the knives come out and that's the end of him.

Either way I suspect should Labor win again, that's the end of Tony Abbott.

 

[sails]

What are the left so scared about Abbott? Why are they soooo desperate to be rid of him?

Is it because he is a real threat to their carbon tax, non-border policies and runaway debt? Is it because they fear he will repeal the legislation the majority don't want?

It seems the left have gone out of their way to denigrate Abbott and blame him for most of Gillard's stuff-ups. I find it difficult to comprehend why this viscous attack on someone who is not PM and who doesn't have serious questions to answer over his past...

On the other hand, lefties are mysteriously silent on Gillard and certain AWU issues. She told the lie of lies over carbon tax, went ahead and legislated even though opinion polls clearly showed the majority of voters did NOT want it and then danced with joy in parliament. Shameful in a democracy, imo.

What has Abbott actually done wrong?...

 

[moXJO]

I was just reading a thread (You know, the one that Conroy mentioned the other day, "the NBN and dealing with the FUD" over on Whirlpool.

And a couple of quotes from Whirlpool posters...subject is the NBN - FUD.

I think the same could be said of Conroy

 

[drsmith]

On the other hand, lefties are mysteriously silent on Gillard and certain AWU issues. She told the lie of lies over carbon tax, went ahead and legislated even though opinion polls clearly showed the majority of voters did NOT want it and then danced with joy in parliament. Shameful in a democracy, imo.

The ABC's Barry Cassidy doesn't think so.

BARRIE CASSIDY: If what’s driving you is the policy that you took to the last election, what about the carbon tax? There’d be no carbon tax; that was disposable

CHRIS BOWEN: Well Barrie this is a conscience vote. In the conscience vote I've weighed up the feedback in my electorate, I've weighed up on all people who have spoken to me on both sides of the issue and I've come to that view.

BARRIE CASSIDY: But if you take that view that you’ll only ever adopt a policy that went to the last election, you‘ll never change. You’ll never change a policy on anything.

CHRIS BOWEN: Well Barrie, the Labor Party's views that we need action on carbon has been known for many, many years now. We took a policy of pricing carbon to various elections, as has the Liberal Party from time to time.

http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3565950.htm

 

[Ferret]

What has Abbott actually done wrong?...

It’s some of the things he says he will do that annoy me and I think many other swing voters.

Like cancelling the NBN. It is all too rare these days for any government to fund big infrastructure projects. They just don’t look beyond their 3 year term and provide for the long term.

Here is something worthwhile that most people support, and Abbott says he will stop it. Why ? I guess so he has the funds to throw at his ridiculous 6 month paid maternity leave scheme.

 

[sails]

The ABC's Barry Cassidy doesn't think so.

CHRIS BOWEN: Well Barrie, the Labor Party's views that we need action on carbon has been known for many, many years now. We took a policy of pricing carbon to various elections, as has the Liberal Party from time to time.

http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3565950.htm

Yeah, Bowen's statement above makes Gillard's promise of no carbon tax an even worse lie. Obviously they had no intention of keeping it if they got in.

 

[sails]

It’s some of the things he says he will do that annoy me and I think many other swing voters.

Like cancelling the NBN. It is all too rare these days for any government to fund big infrastructure projects. They just don’t look beyond their 3 year term and provide for the long term.

Here is something worthwhile that most people support, and Abbott says he will stop it. Why ? I guess so he has the funds to throw at his ridiculous 6 month paid maternity leave scheme.

Ferret, I don't like everything the libs have on offer including the paid maternity leave scheme. I am concerned with the cost of NBN and wonder if it will be outdated before

However, we only have the choice of two major parties. So it's a case of continue on with no working border policy, a carbon tax the majority don't want and is likely to bite much harder yet and spiralling debt with a ceiling of around $300 billion. And that's for starters.

The coalition still offer a better, granted not perfect, alternative, imo.

 

[MrBurns]

Ferret, I don't like everything the libs have on offer including the paid maternity leave scheme. I am concerned with the cost of NBN and wonder if it will be outdated before

However, we only have the choice of two major parties. So it's a case of continue on with no working border policy, a carbon tax the majority don't want and is likely to bite much harder yet and spiralling debt with a ceiling of around $300 billion. And that's for starters.

The coalition still offer a better, granted not perfect, alternative, imo.

+1...

 

[Ferret]

The coalition still offer a better, granted not perfect, alternative, imo.

Fully agree, Sails, but you were defending Abbott and asking why people don't like him.

I know I'm not alone in wanting a new government, but just wishing the libs would make a better offering.

I live in hope of a better leader coming out of left field.

 

[drsmith]

I live in hope of a better leader coming out of left field.

That would be Malcolm.

 

[sptrawler]

What are the left so scared about Abbott? Why are they soooo desperate to be rid of him?

Is it because he is a real threat to their carbon tax, non-border policies and runaway debt? Is it because they fear he will repeal the legislation the majority don't want?

It seems the left have gone out of their way to denigrate Abbott and blame him for most of Gillard's stuff-ups. I find it difficult to comprehend why this viscous attack on someone who is not PM and who doesn't have serious questions to answer over his past...

On the other hand, lefties are mysteriously silent on Gillard and certain AWU issues. She told the lie of lies over carbon tax, went ahead and legislated even though opinion polls clearly showed the majority of voters did NOT want it and then danced with joy in parliament. Shameful in a democracy, imo.

What has Abbott actually done wrong?...

Like him or hate him, he is the best person for the job at hand. Time after time Labor have tried to prove his stance on issues wrong and ended up with egg on their faces. So then they started the "negative Tony" chant, that has backfired as proven by the polls.
Actually now a lot of people are using the negativity chant as an excuse for their failings, which again reflects badly on the government.
When you consider the amount of poor press and mud slinging Abbott gets, I think his ratings are quite good.
If the reporters hounded Gillard and Conroy the same way, the unions would put the pressure on the reporters to back off.
I think Abbott would be stupid to start changing his staregy untill we are well and truly into an election campaign.
Gillard is proving one thing, she is capable of doing and saying anything, as long as it achieves the desired result.
Fighting people without morals, principles and honesty is really hard, that's why Turnbul has so much trouble, he thinks Julia will play fair.LOL

The reason they hate Tony, is simply because they can't make him trip up. If they could, they would be all over him like a rash, no in the blinking game Tony's winning.
That is why the press is reporting a new government stratergy is being rolled out. LOL
If the government was good and Tony was crap, the government wouldn't have to change stratergies.
The horse has bolted, the government is done, just a matter of waiting.

 

[drsmith]

Like him or hate him, he is the best person for the job at hand. Time after time Labor have tried to prove his stance on issues wrong and ended up with egg on their faces. So then they started the "negative Tony" chant, that has backfired as proven by the polls.
Actually now a lot of people are using the negativity chant as an excuse for their failings, which again reflects badly on the government.
When you consider the amount of poor press and mud slinging Abbott gets, I think his ratings are quite good.
If the reporters hounded Gillard and Conroy the same way, the unions would put the pressure on the reporters to back off.
I think Abbott would be stupid to start changing his staregy untill we are well and truly into an election campaign.
Gillard is proving one thing, she is capable of doing and saying anything, as long as it achieves the desired result.
Fighting people without morals, principles and honesty is really hard, that's why Turnbul has so much trouble, he thinks Julia will play fair.LOL

I would largely agree, but a bit more polish in his politics wouldn't go astray.

 

[So_Cynical]

Here is something worthwhile that most people support, and Abbott says he will stop it. Why ? I guess so he has the funds to throw at his ridiculous 6 month paid maternity leave scheme.

Just to bring you up to speed and add a bit of political reality into this Fantasy thread.

The Noalition now supports the NBN and will NOT scrap it, however they will try and "renegotiate existing contracts where possible" and try to switch to fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) rather than (FTTH) fibre-to-the-home.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...rap-nbn-turnbull/story-e6frf7kf-1226412903973

 

[sptrawler]

I would largely agree, but a bit more polish in his politics wouldn't go astray.

I tend to think a lot of the polish is taken off at the editing room and that is very hard to overcome. The only way Abbott will get reasonable press coverage is when the public demand it nearer an election. That is when creative editing will be held to task, it is difficult to hold the press accountable when in opposition.
As has been proven by Bob Brown, Conroy and Gillard you can bring pressure to bear on the press, mining companies, telecommunication companies actually just about anybody when you are in government. LOL
Doesn't matter if you are right or wrong all you need is a thick skin and a dictitorial attitude.

 

[drsmith]

Just to bring you up to speed and add a bit of political reality into this Fantasy thread.

That comment sums up the thread title magnificently.

 

[So_Cynical]

That comment sums up the thread title magnificently.

True...the fact that there is a Gillard government is due 100% to the fact that she dealt with political reality, did the deal and moved on and has thus given us 2 years of prosperity and big picture thinking and will deliver another 12 months at least.

Hurrah.

 

[sptrawler]

Just to bring you up to speed and add a bit of political reality into this Fantasy thread.

The Noalition now supports the NBN and will NOT scrap it, however they will try and "renegotiate existing contracts where possible" and try to switch to fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) rather than (FTTH) fibre-to-the-home.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...rap-nbn-turnbull/story-e6frf7kf-1226412903973

That is probably the sensible course of action when a project goes past the point of no return. Looks like Abbotts called it right again, try and make right a labor stuff up by mitigating the loss.
Thanks for post So_Cynical, you must be seeing the light at last.

 

[drsmith]

Hurrah.

You're wise to get them in while you can.

You never know which one will be the last.