Rudd Government failings vs. achievements

[nioka]

Yes Calliope, he was absolutely pathetic. Blamed everything and everybody but himself. So much for the "BUCK STOPS WITH ME". He just cannot help himself with his spin and BS!!!!!!!!!

I was waiting for O'Brien to ask him why he (Rudd) reneged on taking over the hospital system like he said he would instead of offering a watered down funding arrangement.

Funny the different way different people see things. I thought that Kerry was pushing Rudd hard ( contrary to some posts here that said O'Brien goes softly softly on Labour). I thought that Rudds responses were reasonable and consistant with events that have unfolded.

 

[noco]

Funny the different way different people see things. I thought that Kerry was pushing Rudd hard ( contrary to some posts here that said O'Brien goes softly softly on Labour). I thought that Rudds responses were reasonable and consistant with events that have unfolded.

nioka, I guess that's your perogative to express faith in a dead horse, because even if he wins the next election their will be a LABOR party revolt to depose of the carcass a soon as possible, like within 3 months after the election.

 

[Julia]

Funny the different way different people see things. I thought that Kerry was pushing Rudd hard ( contrary to some posts here that said O'Brien goes softly softly on Labour). I thought that Rudds responses were reasonable and consistant with events that have unfolded.

I agree that Kerry did display some objectivity in pushing Mr Rudd quite hard.
Don't think there was much more he could have done to counter Mr Rudd's determination to avoid the question.

It was really a fairly pointless interview in that there was no way Mr Rudd was going to say "well, yes, Kerry, you're absolutely right: in shelving the ETS I am indeed displaying the great moral cowardice I alleged against the Opposition".

For me, all the interview achieved was the sense that, prior to the election, someone at the ABC has told K. O'Brien that he absolutely has to be seen to be impartial to both sides.

 

[nioka]

When I say that Rudds comments were reasonable

nioka, I guess that's your perogative to express faith in a dead horse, because even if he wins the next election their will be a LABOR party revolt to depose of the carcass a soon as possible, like within 3 months after the election.

That is an example of what i mean when i say people see things differently. You assume I am actually promoting Rudd and Labor and faith in a dead horse. You are wrong.

1. The horse is sick, not dead.
2. When I say Rudds comments were reasonable you assume that I agree that he fully answered all questions while I mean "what other way would a politition answer the question in the lead up to an election".
3. You see Labour probably losing the next election. I don't.
4. If he did win you say he will only last 2 to 3 months. If he wins, and I suggest he will, I see him being a hero again within the party.
5.You assume I am a staunch Labor supporter. I am not. I will vote for the Libs again BUT NOT WITH ABBOTT leading them.

 

[trainspotter]

When I say that Rudds comments were reasonable

That is an example of what i mean when i say people see things differently. You assume I am actually promoting Rudd and Labor and faith in a dead horse. You are wrong.

1. The horse is sick, not dead.
2. When I say Rudds comments were reasonable you assume that I agree that he fully answered all questions while I mean "what other way would a politition answer the question in the lead up to an election".
3. You see Labour probably losing the next election. I don't.
4. If he did win you say he will only last 2 to 3 months. If he wins, and I suggest he will, I see him being a hero again within the party.
5.You assume I am a staunch Labor supporter. I am not. I will vote for the Libs again BUT NOT WITH ABBOTT leading them.

Hear hear nioka ! What is written is easy to be taken out of context. Good to see that you have the judgement of Solomon on this one.

 

[trainspotter]

I started the thread

I say let 'er rip.

If you pay the speeding fines I will get you to the airport on time BUT let's do it in the appropriate thread. The "Insulation Debacle" is where it belongs. Like I wrote, I am more than happy to be engaged in the frontal lobe joustings of a worthy adversary. Bring it !

*Sorry ... did not see the K. O'Brien interview.* Judging by the posts Mr Rudd covered himself in glory yet again.

 

[Calliope]

For me, all the interview achieved was the sense that, prior to the election, someone at the ABC has told K. O'Brien that he absolutely has to be seen to be impartial to both sides.

I don't think so Julia. I just think that O'Brien finds Rudd obnoxious.

 

[Whiskers]

I am not too happy about the reason and the ultimate aim of greater good which in my opinion is to be just re-elected.

The greater good is basically a case of the end justifying the means.

Yes Happy, their main aim (end) is indeed to be re-elected... but I think while they succeeded in the greater good of averting a recession, the (means) over-baking the insulation scheme in particular may still hurt their re-election chances.

I started the thread

I say let 'er rip.

Lol... whatever you say boss.

 

[GumbyLearner]

The greater good is basically a case of the end justifying the means.

Yes Happy, their main aim (end) is indeed to be re-elected... but I think while they succeeded in the greater good of averting a recession, the (means) over-baking the insulation scheme in particular may still hurt their re-election chances.




Lol... whatever you say boss.

So Krudd, Swan & Co are benthamites?

Well, where's the Panopticon for taxpayers??

 

[Calliope]

The cornered rat loses its cool.

Opposition climate change spokesman Greg Hunt likened Mr Rudd's inflamed display to former Labor leader Mark Latham.

"It appears that under the slightest pressure, the Prime Minister is looking increasingly out of control," he said.

"He is making wildly erratic decisions and morphing into Mark Latham, but without the conviction," Mr Hunt said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/pol...ction-kevin-rudd/story-e6frgczf-1225865756135

 

[bunyip]

Let Us Pray

This is from a church minister:

We were in slow-moving traffic the other day and the car in front of us had a ‘Prime Minister Rudd’ sticker on the rear window which read: "Pray for Our Prime Minister Rudd, Wayne Swan and Anna Bligh Ref:- Psalm 109:8".

My husband's Bible was lying on the dash board so he picked it up, opened it to the scripture and read it.
He started laughing. Then he read it to me. I couldn't believe what it said. I had a good laugh, too.

Psalm 109:8
"Let his days be few; and let another take his office. "

At last - I can voice a Biblical prayer for the entire Labour Parliament members.
Let us all bow our heads and pray.

 

[gav]

LOL Bunyip! Here's my prayer:

Dear Lord,

I know that I don't talk to you that much, but this past year you have taken away my favourite actor, Patrick Swayze, my favourite actress, Farah Fawcett and my favourite musician, Michael Jackson.
I just wanted to let you know that my favourite prime minister is Kevin Rudd.

Amen

 

[trainspotter]

Rudd07 - Out by 11

 

[todster]

Rudd07 - Out by 11

Is that a failure or achievement or both?

 

[trainspotter]

Is that a failure or achievement or both?

LOLOLOL todster .... I like the way you think !

Achievements-
1. rescuing the economy from the global financial crisis;
2. commitment to limit real spending growth to 2% a year;
3. the resources rent tax;
4. greater transparency in superannuation arrangements (including inappropriate financial advice and a stop to commissions);
5. improved quality of life in our schools;
6. investment in social housing;
7. tempering the Howard Government’s workplace reform;
8. apology to aborigines and some gains in aboriginal poverty;
9. review of the qualifying age for the Age Pension to 67 years;
10. generous increases in pension payments;
11. cutbacks in salary sacrifice for superannuation e.g. reducing the cap from $100,000 to $50,000;
12. My School website;
13. implementing the Paid Parental Leave Scheme;
14. reform of bank regulation e.g. on bank capital;
15. youth allowance provision;
16. big new investment in public hospitals;
17. addressing homeless people;
18. investment in nation building infrastructure;
19. investment in jobs and training;
20. fairer and more sustainable private health insurance and incentives (admittedly, a broken promise)

(Most of the above are generalisations and have not really been inplemented or made as policy through the senate yet.)

Fail - Getting angry with Kerry O'Brien and looking like a complete goose to the voting public.

 

[c-unit]

Just watched the 7:30 report then. It makes for brilliant viewing! Rudd's absolutely lost it, can't believe he said something like "Listen mate, I stayed up for 3 days and 3 nights trying to get a climate agreement which is a lot tougher than your life in 7:30 report land".

LOL! Kerry won't like that. Hilarious. Perhaps Kerry will declare war.

 

[noco]

The following extract is from Mary Venon's "ABOUT TOWN" Townsville Daily Bulletin 13/05/2010.

Australia Post created a new stamp displaying a piture of Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and has recently suspended a recall of the stamps requested by Mr. Rudd after a special commission inquiry finding. The Prime Minister had been told the stamp was not sticking to envelopes and, enraged, he demanded a full investigation. After a month of testing and spending $1.73 million, a special commission presented the following findings:

1) The stamp is in perfect order.

2) There is nothing wrong with the adhesive.

3) People are spitting on the wrong side of the stamp.

 

[todster]

The following extract is from Mary Venon's "ABOUT TOWN" Townsville Daily Bulletin 13/05/2010.

Australia Post created a new stamp displaying a piture of Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and has recently suspended a recall of the stamps requested by Mr. Rudd after a special commission inquiry finding. The Prime Minister had been told the stamp was not sticking to envelopes and, enraged, he demanded a full investigation. After a month of testing and spending $1.73 million, a special commission presented the following findings:

1) The stamp is in perfect order.

2) There is nothing wrong with the adhesive.

3) People are spitting on the wrong side of the stamp.

Geez they must be retarded in Townsville stamps have been self adhesive for a few years now

 

[matty77]

2. commitment to limit real spending growth to 2% a year;
.

if you factor in the spending they are going to do on the NBN it is nowhere near 2% per year.


http://www.news.com.au/business/fed...wo-great-fiddles/story-fn5dkrsb-1225865800512

THE Government's claim to fiscal rectitude is an utter sham. Wayne Swan's budget is built on two great fiddles.

Appropriately, the fiddles relate to the Rudd Government's two great stupidities -- the National Broadband Network and the Emissions Trading Scheme.

The fiddles enable the Government to hide up to a massive $50 billion of new spending. So much for the claim they've pulled the pursestrings tight.

They also enable the Government to 'keep' the growth in spending in the 2013-14 year to just 1.9 per cent. Without the fiddles, spending would actually have grown by at least 3.5 per cent in that year - shattering the Government's 2 per cent ceiling.

Now yes, the Government's second great stupidity, the ETS, has been 'deferred', while the first marches on. Or rather, will be literally strung along -- from power poles, as our wired 21st century is delivered by a (very) early 20th century mode.

Ditching the ETS enables the Government to take up to $30 billion of proposed spending on it out of the budget and replace it -- or most of it -- by new spending. With, in an exercise of fiscal magic, no increase in the total spending number!

While separately the $26 billion-going-on-$43 billion to be spent on the NBN is just 'disappeared' almost completely from the budget!

 

[Julia]

The following is one of the comments following Terry McCrann's article:

Let me put it in VERY SIMPLE terms for you. This budget is for 2010. If NBN does not kick off in 2010, 2011 or even 2012, WHY SHOULD IT BE LISTED HERE. I am damned sure that the public already know about it, unless one has been completely obtuse. Have you done your own personal budget For This Year, and listed in it what you plan on spending a couple of years down the track?

That seems fair enough, doesn't it? The ETS has been shelved indefinitely, so surely it's right not to include the cost of it in the 2010 budget. And I've also criticised the non-inclusion of the NBN, but again that doesn't kick off in this financial year, so fairly reasonably should not appear?

However, I may be completely misunderstanding how the budget is constructed and be quite wrong about this.
Does anyone have proper understanding of how it's supposed to work?

Perhaps Tony Abbott will this evening shed some light on this.