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Rudd Government failings vs. achievements
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Let's try not to make this personal folks.
Anything further will be deleted and infractions issued.
Anything further will be deleted and infractions issued.
Garpal Gumnut
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I don't agree with many of your views , but the failings and achievements of Rudd are well thought out and presented, and I would defend your right to express them.
Apologies for the basket weaving and quilt remarks.
gg
IFocus
You are arguing with a Galah
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No need for apologies GG always enjoy your humor even at my expense.
If you voted for any of the last 4 then I have vastly misread you.
This covers it quite well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_politics
Politics by its nature is about spin and lies the Liberals do the same hence my comment about your bias.
Your comments on Rudd are not tarnishing his name? I think Tony is proud of the fact he set up a trust fund to attack One Nation and get Hanson and Ettridge jailed.
Abbott is aspiring to be PM Rudd already is, Abbott has to convince the swinging voter hes not going to extend his personal beliefs as policy like he did as a minister. If he continues to change his position then what is he really going to do as PM.
Rudd on health was negotiating again Howard did the same when dealing with the states water being a good example.
BTW I am not a big fan of Rudd
Yep populists government
Isn't the net / Australia wonderful we can say these things and not get sued or shot............hang on some one is knocking on the front door
Thanks for that link I-Focus, but I had been there many moons ago. I was hoping for your personal interpretations of right and left wing politics without you having to research it first.
I am disappointed in the reaction of some people and the media when Abbott opens a suggestion for debate and it is then taken as Coalition policy or policy on the run!
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Did anyone watch "Four Corners"?
It thoroughly dispelled the suggestion that the media, in particular the ABC, is essentially an arm of Rudd & Co.
It was factual, clearly set out with timelines, and is a devastating indictment of the government's insulation scheme.
It would seem impossible after this for taxpayer dollars not to fund an inspection of every single installation, not just foil.
It thoroughly dispelled the suggestion that the media, in particular the ABC, is essentially an arm of Rudd & Co.
It was factual, clearly set out with timelines, and is a devastating indictment of the government's insulation scheme.
It would seem impossible after this for taxpayer dollars not to fund an inspection of every single installation, not just foil.
Julia
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Aw, that's just so nice, fellas. Let's keep this generosity of spirit happening.
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Yep,
I agree, all homes affected require electrical inspections. Can’t believe some officials have been so naive to think that jobs should come before safety, thought the other way round applies in Australia.
I wonder how insurance companies will handle the situation considering it now appears that some of the work was non compliant.
Also good to see the unions sink the boot in.
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Aw, that's just so nice, fellas. Let's keep this generosity of spirit happening.
Perhaps we need the best from each side of politics and get rid of the boofheads.
A Government of National Unity.
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Good idea gg.
At the federal level that would result in a much smaller government and eliminate state governments alltogether.
At the federal level that would result in a much smaller government and eliminate state governments alltogether.
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Anyone who watched this program tonight would have been disgusted at the treatment of the Fullers by Rudd and Garrett following the death of their son Matthew and the injuries to his girlfriend by electrocution.
As you say Julia, it was a fearless exposure and devastating indictment of the Government and especially of Rudd and Garrett for not only ignoring the warnings but denying that they were even advised. Rudd refuses to release the warnings passed on to him by Garrett by claiming they were "cabinet in confidence", which is is a lie.
If we had an independent justice system, I have no doubt that a case could be mounted against Rudd ("the buck stops with me") for criminal negligence, if not manslaughter.
Rudd the Rat, must be brought to account, and before the usual suspects jump to his defence I suggest they watch a replay of this program.
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People/parents always want to blame someone when there's loss and that's understandable...just a shame that media organisations always want to exploit that, these kids died because the people/company's doing the installs were just in it for the fast money....legally its the employer that has the duty of care..isn't it?
And before you all start carrying on about training...i installed Foxtel satellite for 2 years and have been in a thousand roofs, what training or qualifications did i need to do that? none and my insurance company QBE was ok with that.
And before you all start carrying on about training...i installed Foxtel satellite for 2 years and have been in a thousand roofs, what training or qualifications did i need to do that? none and my insurance company QBE was ok with that.
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Not content with electrocuting people installing insulation, it seems we're about to have another round of deaths this time installing the National Broadband Network.
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2010/04/26/142175_tasmania-news.html
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Government handing out $ to shonky contractors is a waste of my taxes and yours - we pay a fortune for a rotten standard of work just to meet some artificial deadline. And then we pay an army of public servants to administer all the contracts.
It would be much cheaper and more effective for a large scale, long term project like this one to simply buy machinery (excavators etc) and hire some workers to do the job properly. There may be an inefficiency or two here and there, but at least we'll end up with a proper job being done and it should be done safely. And the huge saving in administrative costs will be worth a fortune in itself.
I've never heard of this "Power and Electrical" mob by the way. Not sure who they are but it's some sort of contractor.
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2010/04/26/142175_tasmania-news.html
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Government handing out $ to shonky contractors is a waste of my taxes and yours - we pay a fortune for a rotten standard of work just to meet some artificial deadline. And then we pay an army of public servants to administer all the contracts.
It would be much cheaper and more effective for a large scale, long term project like this one to simply buy machinery (excavators etc) and hire some workers to do the job properly. There may be an inefficiency or two here and there, but at least we'll end up with a proper job being done and it should be done safely. And the huge saving in administrative costs will be worth a fortune in itself.
I've never heard of this "Power and Electrical" mob by the way. Not sure who they are but it's some sort of contractor.
That might be a tall order....politicians who are not boofheads in one form or another are about as common as policewomen walking the beat in g strings.
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I would go further and ask, has the ABC declared war on the current ALP government ?
Where Peter Garrett and Kevin Rudd avoid questions towards the end of the program is especially condemming. They looked like two crooks trying to avoid questions about their shady activities. Not a good look with something as serious as this, especially on the national broadcaster.
It would be interesting to know whether either were given prior opportunity to appear formally on 4-Corners (and refused) or not ?
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Boofhead politician of the year: First prize to date.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/pol...ith-adele-carles/story-e6frgczx-1225858415742
When he was face down on a chair sniffing stale farts, someone should have had the foresight to give him a good swift kick up the bum, all way our the door.
Instead he was made WA state treasurer.
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Whatever has happened to "our greatest moral challenge"?
It's been deferred three years. Rudd's ideas of morality are very flexible.. The ETS is now on the "maybe sometime in the future" list along with health reform.
A big win for the sceptics.
It's been deferred three years. Rudd's ideas of morality are very flexible.. The ETS is now on the "maybe sometime in the future" list along with health reform.
A big win for the sceptics.
Julia, a Royal Commission is the only way to bring out the truth and frankly, i can't see that happening. The communications between Garrett and Rudd are locked away in cabinet documents which they say is confidential.
My God, if that is not a cover up I'll walk to Bouke backwards.
LOL.....except that it's no laughing matter when dishonest, dishonourable, or corrupt politicians are retained by their party, and in some cases even allowed to go higher up the ladder.
Maybe I'll start a thread titled 'Political Boofheads' where we can name and shame corrupt and dishonourable politicians.
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Probably too much to hope for, but for once they did not spare the government in their approach.
I don't know whether they were invited to appear on the programme (you'd imagine so) but they were invited to comment and declined.
It has been obvious for some time that this didn't have a hope of getting through the Senate.Whatever has happened to "our greatest moral challenge"?
It's been deferred three years. Rudd's ideas of morality are very flexible.. The ETS is now on the "maybe sometime in the future" list along with health reform.
A big win for the sceptics.
Why was the announcement made about it this morning? Or late last night?
Pretty damn obvious: to divert attention from the "Four Corners" programme and its follow up where Greg Hunt has been demanding a Royal Commission.
And the media, like the obedient flunkies they are, have been dutifully going with the ETS abandonment as the lead item on every news bulletin, well the ABC anyway.
