Rudd Government failings vs. achievements

[Julia]

OK, Noco, in the very unlikely event that Mr Rudd were to disappear, who would you like to see take his place?

Do you seriously think Tony Abbott would do a good job of running the country?

 

[Knobby22]

OK, Noco, in the very unlikely event that Mr Rudd were to disappear, who would you like to see take his place?

Do you seriously think Tony Abbott would do a good job of running the country?

And that's the point.
The opposition need to be ready to lead. At the moment they appear not to be.

 

[noco]

OK, Noco, in the very unlikely event that Mr Rudd were to disappear, who would you like to see take his place?

Do you seriously think Tony Abbott would do a good job of running the country?

Julia, if you go back in history, a big majority thought the same thimg about John Howard in the 90's.

Abbott would have to be 100% better than Rudd after all the distasters he (Rudd) has created for this counrty.

He has a higher education than Rudd, is a Rhode scholar and has had considerable parliamentry experience. He is, imho, more intelligent than he looks.I would not be too critical of the man untill we see how he performs.

People are critical of the man because of his ears, or his too many ums when he speaks. One cannot do much about the way one looks, but when he gets trained to act like Rudd, people will most likely say he is a good fellow.

 

[bunyip]

It is inconceivable that this weasel of a Prime Minister of ours is still holding high popularity ratings even after all his failings, lieing, cheating, spin and passing the buck.
He should be sacked. Are the average Joe Blow so naive not to be able to see through this rotter?

Yes Noco - the average Joe Blow is too blind and naive to see through Rudd.
Earlier on this thread we had a Rudd lover claiming to be happy overall with Rudd's performance so far!
There are plenty of people just like him who are unwilling to open their eyes and see this government for what they are.
This sort of blind devotion to a politician or a political party is similar to the way some people are blindly devoted to a religion, even when the people in the highest office in that religion are involved in crimes against humanity, such as sexual molestation of children.
It's no different with politics - some people are always going to support a political party no matter how incompetent and dishonest they are.

 

[Calliope]

bunyip

You are right. It is because Rudd is an expert at focussing his largesse at the right targets. The recipients are now locked on hoping for more, such as promised improved (and free) health services.

The Coalition have Buckley's chance of dislodging Rudd, mainly because they can't afford the army of spin doctors and advisers that Rudd has on call. Their job is to gloss over Rudd's failures with weasel words and distractions.

An unbiased Canberra press gallery would help.The time will come however when even they will realise this incompetent fool is a fraud, and they will be forced to come clean. The leader of the pack is Laurie Oakes, but the scales are starting to fall from even his eyes.

 

[noco]

bunyip

You are right. It is because Rudd is an expert at focussing his largesse at the right targets. The recipients are now locked on hoping for more, such as promised improved (and free) health services.

The Coalition have Buckley's chance of dislodging Rudd, mainly because they can't afford the army of spin doctors and advisers that Rudd has on call. Their job is to gloss over Rudd's failures with weasel words and distractions.

An unbiased Canberra press gallery would help.The time will come however when even they will realise this incompetent fool is a fraud, and they will be forced to come clean. The leader of the pack is Laurie Oakes, but the scales are starting to fall from even his eyes.

Thank goodness we have the likes of Andrew Bolt to bring out Rudd's failings, lies, deceipt, broken promoses and spin.

 

[Julia]

Abbott would have to be 100% better than Rudd after all the distasters he (Rudd) has created for this counrty.

You'd have to hope so, but I simply don't feel confident of that, not just regarding Tony Abbott, but also the overall standard of the Coalition.
(Just consider how many ill considered statements Barnaby Joyce has made, for example. I find the idea of him being in charge of the nation's finances just as concerning as with Mr Swan.)

He has a higher education than Rudd, is a Rhode scholar and has had considerable parliamentry experience. He is, imho, more intelligent than he looks.I would not be too critical of the man untill we see how he performs.

He has been leader of the opposition for a few months now, and seems no less inclined to float his thought bubbles and speak before thinking his answer through. e.g. remember the furore that he was "going to demand that the young women of Australia remain virgins until they marry", simply because he said that was what he wanted for his daughters.
Yes, of course this is the media behaving badly, but when asked the question, why wouldn't he way more tactfully have said that that was a very personal question and one each woman would have to answer for herself, or something like that. It's politically stupid to give the media any excuse at all for twisting a controversial remark.

People are critical of the man because of his ears, or his too many ums when he speaks. One cannot do much about the way one looks, but when he gets trained to act like Rudd, people will most likely say he is a good fellow.

If someone expresses criticism about his ears, then they were critical of him for more important reasons before that. No one who seriously believes in him as a person or likes his policies (whatever they may be, we don't really know yet), is going to worry about his damn ears!

And he does need to get some coaching to eliminate all the ums from his speech. It's sometimes so pronounced one's attention is diverted from what he's actually trying to say.

I can't stand Rudd, but I'm also aware that to automatically assume the opposition will be better is a bit naive.

 

[noco]

You'd have to hope so, but I simply don't feel confident of that, not just regarding Tony Abbott, but also the overall standard of the Coalition.
(Just consider how many ill considered statements Barnaby Joyce has made, for example. I find the idea of him being in charge of the nation's finances just as concerning as with Mr Swan.)


He has been leader of the opposition for a few months now, and seems no less inclined to float his thought bubbles and speak before thinking his answer through. e.g. remember the furore that he was "going to demand that the young women of Australia remain virgins until they marry", simply because he said that was what he wanted for his daughters.
Yes, of course this is the media behaving badly, but when asked the question, why wouldn't he way more tactfully have said that that was a very personal question and one each woman would have to answer for herself, or something like that. It's politically stupid to give the media any excuse at all for twisting a controversial remark.


If someone expresses criticism about his ears, then they were critical of him for more important reasons before that. No one who seriously believes in him as a person or likes his policies (whatever they may be, we don't really know yet), is going to worry about his damn ears!

And he does need to get some coaching to eliminate all the ums from his speech. It's sometimes so pronounced one's attention is diverted from what he's actually trying to say.

I can't stand Rudd, but I'm also aware that to automatically assume the opposition will be better is a bit naive.

Julia, come close to election time, I believe you will see a more agreesive opposition. At the present time Abbott does not have to do a lot as we see Rudd shooting himself in the foot more and more every day.

I also beleive Abbott should hold back any opposition polices for as long as he can before the election. Abbott will have plenty of 'amo' to fire at Rudd in the next few months, that is of course, if there is not a revolt in the Labor Party in the meantime and it has been intimated.

Do you really think Rudd's ministry is any better than Abbott's shadow ministry? At least Barnaby Joyce speaks the truth and from the heart, has more financial credentials than Tanner(refer to my earlier post on Tanner's credentials) and does not lie through his teeth like Swan. Abbott also has a mostly youthfull shadow ministry who do appear to be learning fast.

A lot of people are very naive when it comes to personl image. If a politician has a nice toohy smile, can laugh and show some wit, a hell of a lot of people take that into consideration rather than their policies or their gigantic failings. It's called wooing. There are lot of stupid people out there who get sucked into this type of image, that's why you hear so much about Abbott's ears. Fortunately, you and I don't fall into that catagory.

 

[Chris45]

If a politician has a nice toohy smile, can laugh and show some wit,

Peter Beattie LOL

 

[noco]

Peter Beattie LOL

Yes Chris, I'm pleased someone is getting my drift about these fake images. If it tastes good it must be good.

 

[IFocus]

Julia, if you go back in history, a big majority thought the same thimg about John Howard in the 90's.

They were right he was a lying little rodent but your Liberal party membership and right wing bias will over look that.

Abbott would have to be 100% better than Rudd after all the distasters he (Rudd) has created for this counrty.

Abbott was a Howard hit man nothing more ask Hanson.

He has a higher education than Rudd, is a Rhode scholar and has had considerable parliamentry experience. He is, imho, more intelligent than he looks.I would not be too critical of the man untill we see how he performs.

Abbott has form in government plenty to be critical of.

People are critical of the man because of his ears, or his too many ums when he speaks. One cannot do much about the way one looks, but when he gets trained to act like Rudd, people will most likely say he is a good fellow.

To be honest I haven't seen the big ear thing why would you when he is such a hypercritical fool after making policy on the run for which he betrayed Malcolm for.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Abbott was a Howard hit man nothing more ask Hanson.



Abbott has form in government plenty to be critical of.



To be honest I haven't seen the big ear thing why would you when he is such a hypercritical fool after making policy on the run for which he betrayed Malcolm for.

I trust that we can assume from these musings IFocus, that you are not Tony Abbott's greatest fan.

What do you think of the Ruddmeister's achievements versus failings?

gg

 

[noco]

I trust that we can assume from these musings IFocus, that you are not Tony Abbott's greatest fan.

What do you think of the Ruddmeister's achievements versus failings?

gg

GG, you should not have wasted your asking i-focus as he has tunnell vision and turns a blind eye to Rudd's failings.

Rudd has achieved two things:-
* said sorry to the aboriginals.
* signed the Kyoto protocol.

You could say that's about all he has achieved without a stuff up.

 

[noco]

They were right he was a lying little rodent but your Liberal party membership and right wing bias will over look that.



Abbott was a Howard hit man nothing more ask Hanson.



Abbott has form in government plenty to be critical of.



To be honest I haven't seen the big ear thing why would you when he is such a hypercritical fool after making policy on the run for which he betrayed Malcolm for.

You seem to assume I am a member of the Liberal Party or right wing and the word A-S-S-U-M-E makes an ass out of you and me.

I don't be long to any party. I have voted Labor at times and for all you know I may support the Greens, the Climate Sceptic Party, Family First or an Independant.

If you A-S-S-U-M-E I am right wing, then I A-S-S-U-M-E YOU ARE A LEFT WING. Now I-Focus, to satify my curiousity would you be so good as to define what a left wing is and the principles of their beliefs in comparison to a right wing.

Now Rudd goes to church on Sunday's, does a press photo shoot on the steps and doesn't tell lies!!! He lies through his teeth on the church steps.

I believe the terminology of a hit man is a criminal who does assinations for money. Is that the way you portray Tony Abbott? I hope for your sake Abbott does not pick up on you tarnishing his name in this manner for you could find yourself with a defamation case on your hands.

How can you say Abboott makes policy on the run, when Rudd in negotiations with the states changed his policy, which was written on the back of an envelope, every hour within two days. He kept adding bits and pieces to sweeten the states in handing over 30% of the GST. Is that not policy on the run?

Rudd made policy on the run when he said he would revamp the Home Insulation Scheme on the 1st June, only to scrape the whole deal leaving hundreds out of work and sending some firms broke.

He promised 260 odd child care centres, has built 36 or less and has now gone back on his word and scraped the program.

Now I would brand Rudd as a hypocrite, a liar, a muddler and a spin doctor in the first order. Even his one time buddy Laurie Oaks has now branded him GUTLESS.

 

[Calliope]

Rudd has his spin doctors are hard at work to come up with more ways to divert the masses attention from all the s**t he has landed himself in, just in case they should become disenchanted with his never-never health plan before the election.

Ah! Perfect! The masses become very emotive about Anzac Day. We can work on this for five years until it's 100 years old in 2015. We shall then have the greatest heart-string tugger of all times. And we will get those two old has-beens Fraser and Hawke to drive it. But everyone's input is valued.

Rudd, Hawke and Fraser couldn't give a stuff about Anzac tradition except to use it as a manipulative cynical exercise.

Sadly this applies to most politicians. You will see them fall in line. Otherwise it is a perfect wedge.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

GG, you should not have wasted your asking i-focus as he has tunnell vision and turns a blind eye to Rudd's failings.

Rudd has achieved two things:-
* said sorry to the aboriginals.
* signed the Kyoto protocol.

You could say that's about all he has achieved without a stuff up.

noco mate, IFocus must be basket weaving at the Freeo markets today or finishing off the quilt of the Ruddmeister for the Lodge.

gg

 

[sam76]

Rudd has achieved two things:-
* said sorry to the aboriginals.
* signed the Kyoto protocol..

all 'achieved' in the first couple of months in office...

he should have quit then, lol

 

[Julia]

"Four Corners" should be interesting tonight. It's about the government's refusal to heed warnings that people could die if the insulation installers are not properly trained, their response to those issuing the warnings apparently being that the urgency of job creation was more important.

 

[IFocus]

I trust that we can assume from these musings IFocus, that you are not Tony Abbott's greatest fan.

What do you think of the Ruddmeister's achievements versus failings?

gg

Achievements would be acting aggressively ahead of the curve during the start of the GFC putting a floor under housing / securing commercial lending / securing confidence in Australian banking / maintaining cash flows in small businesses / low unemployment.

Starting down the road of real health reform, whether this gets up or not remains to be seen if it does then it will allow following governments to move it further to really be reform.

On the political front maneuvering the Liberals over to the extreme right by playing Howard's game of wedge politics with Nelson / Turnbull (both moderates) to keep them out of power.

Failings,
Allowing housing to continue in bubble territory with out a plan.
Not winding back the stimulus fast enough
As covered in the thread schools / insulation spending, wasting money is one thing house fires and deaths are unacceptable.

Not least not being serious about ending whaling unlike Liberal shadow environmental minister Greg Hunt.

 

[IFocus]

You seem to assume I am a member of the Liberal Party or right wing and the word A-S-S-U-M-E makes an ass out of you and me.

I don't be long to any party. I have voted Labor at times and for all you know I may support the Greens, the Climate Sceptic Party, Family First or an Independant.

If you voted for any of the last 4 then I have vastly misread you.

If you A-S-S-U-M-E I am right wing, then I A-S-S-U-M-E YOU ARE A LEFT WING. Now I-Focus, to satify my curiousity would you be so good as to define what a left wing is and the principles of their beliefs in comparison to a right wing.

This covers it quite well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_politics

Now Rudd goes to church on Sunday's, does a press photo shoot on the steps and doesn't tell lies!!! He lies through his teeth on the church steps.

Politics by its nature is about spin and lies the Liberals do the same hence my comment about your bias.

I believe the terminology of a hit man is a criminal who does assinations for money. Is that the way you portray Tony Abbott? I hope for your sake Abbott does not pick up on you tarnishing his name in this manner for you could find yourself with a defamation case on your hands.

Your comments on Rudd are not tarnishing his name? I think Tony is proud of the fact he set up a trust fund to attack One Nation and get Hanson and Ettridge jailed.

How can you say Abboott makes policy on the run, when Rudd in negotiations with the states changed his policy, which was written on the back of an envelope, every hour within two days. He kept adding bits and pieces to sweeten the states in handing over 30% of the GST. Is that not policy on the run?

Abbott is aspiring to be PM Rudd already is, Abbott has to convince the swinging voter hes not going to extend his personal beliefs as policy like he did as a minister. If he continues to change his position then what is he really going to do as PM.

Rudd on health was negotiating again Howard did the same when dealing with the states water being a good example.

BTW I am not a big fan of Rudd

Rudd made policy on the run when he said he would revamp the Home Insulation Scheme on the 1st June, only to scrape the whole deal leaving hundreds out of work and sending some firms broke.

He promised 260 odd child care centres, has built 36 or less and has now gone back on his word and scraped the program.

Yep populists government

Now I would brand Rudd as a hypocrite, a liar, a muddler and a spin doctor in the first order. Even his one time buddy Laurie Oaks has now branded him GUTLESS.

Isn't the net / Australia wonderful we can say these things and not get sued or shot............hang on some one is knocking on the front door