Rudd Government failings vs. achievements

[bunyip]

You know i read the newspaper daily watch a bit of news,this is the only place and afew letters to the editor that i ever hear about it.
No one seems to care.
Not trying to justify,just a little balance
Drugs trade,jobs,tax your comparison has lost me

It would be stretching it to say that nobody seems to care. But it's probably true to say that not enough people care to do anything about it, such as voting this hopelessly incompetent government out at the next election. This kind of lethargy is one of the problems in Australia - the average person is too mentally lazy to keep themselves up to date with what our government is doing, and to hold them accountable for their actions.

My mention of the drug trade was in reference to another thread on this forum in which one poster attempted to justify the drug trade on the basis of it's economic contribution to Australia. For outright foolishness, that's on a par with trying to justify Rudd's horrific waste of money on overpriced school buildings and home insulation schemes, on the basis of how much taxes they'll generate for the government.

You're not trying to justify Rudd and Gillard splashing out three or four times the normal price for school buildings? Pleased to hear it. However, your comment about how much tax this scheme will generate for the government gave me the very clear impression that you were in fact trying to justify Rudd's appalling waste of our money.

I presume we're agreed then - government spending on these various schemes will certainly generate revenue for the government, but nothing justifies the incompetent and financially wasteful manner in which these schemes have been implemented.

 

[noco]

I didn't say i didn't like it, just said in a round about way that Johnny made a mistake giving it all to the states and now i get the impression Rudd's trying to get some back via the health reform.

The states love the GST cos its a growth tax that just grows and grows with the economy...if Rudd can get some back it will be another great achievement from this can do government...i just hope they have a DD election and clean out the senate.

Well So_Cynical you want Rudd to have control of the senate. Do you want Emporer Rudd to become a dictator like Magabe. If it happens, he will do anything to stay in power including vote rigging. The Labor Party already do it now with the fake use of Family First just to gain preferences and it is well known in Townsville there has been many so called 'independant candidates' (Labor plants) at various local, state and federal levels who insist on giving their preference to Labor. Most of the locals know they are just Labor Party stooges. It has been proved in Townsville some Labor voters have voted up to ten times at different polling boths and Rudd turns a blind eye to it instead of bringing in some legislation to produce some ID when voting. They are a shifty lot up here, beleive me.
Even Labor's local Townsville branch did not have a say who would be their candidate at the next election. Rudd used his power to over ride the locals decision to promote his mate Tony Mooney, a recycled Ex Mayor.

You stated that stupid Meg Lees gave Howard the power to introduce the GST, so you obviously did not like it for one reason or another.

Now So_Cynical, what have you got to say about the Home Insulation Program being scrapped? Yes I know, your answer will be "look at all the jobs it created to get us out of the GFC." Don't worry about the cost to fix it, plenty more money where that came from.

My God, how can you still say Rudd has done a good job. I hate to think how his so called Health Reform will turn out. But then again on his so called plan, he can blame the states if things go wrong heh!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[trainspotter]

You know i read the newspaper daily watch a bit of news,this is the only place and afew letters to the editor that i ever hear about it.
No one seems to care.
Not trying to justify,just a little balance
Drugs trade,jobs,tax your comparison has lost me

Welcome to media 101 todster.

 

[todster]

It would be stretching it to say that nobody seems to care. But it's probably true to say that not enough people care to do anything about it, such as voting this hopelessly incompetent government out at the next election. This kind of lethargy is one of the problems in Australia - the average person is too mentally lazy to keep themselves up to date with what our government is doing, and to hold them accountable for their actions.

My mention of the drug trade was in reference to another thread on this forum in which one poster attempted to justify the drug trade on the basis of it's economic contribution to Australia. For outright foolishness, that's on a par with trying to justify Rudd's horrific waste of money on overpriced school buildings and home insulation schemes, on the basis of how much taxes they'll generate for the government.

You're not trying to justify Rudd and Gillard splashing out three or four times the normal price for school buildings? Pleased to hear it. However, your comment about how much tax this scheme will generate for the government gave me the very clear impression that you were in fact trying to justify Rudd's appalling waste of our money.

I presume we're agreed then - government spending on these various schemes will certainly generate revenue for the government, but nothing justifies the incompetent and financially wasteful manner in which these schemes have been implemented.

Value for money would be a better description
As i have learnt in here there's a big difference between whats somethings value compared to cost
Theres more schools in a 10km radius from my house than you mentioned
and some have the Fed Gov sign out the front and i have heard zero negative response,very selective reporting me thinks
To the average punter you go and vote because you have to,check local Gov elections for example.

 

[trainspotter]

Value for money would be a better description
As i have learnt in here there's a big difference between whats somethings value compared to cost
Theres more schools in a 10km radius from my house than you mentioned
and some have the Fed Gov sign out the front and i have heard zero negative response,very selective reporting me thinks
To the average punter you go and vote because you have to,check local Gov elections for example.

Todster you do realise that the school is NEVER going to complain for fear of missing out on any future funding? Also that school teachers are probably right up there with wharfies when it comes to militant union action? You do realise that the media is a pack of card carrying Laborites? Journalists have to be a member of the AJA or they simply do not get a job. Sound familiar? No ticket No start kinda stuff.

How can you get factual reporting when the system let's you down? Ming Chow Kluddy sees all and knows all and is a very good media manipulator. All those mornings with Mel & Koshie were a means to an end to get in tight with the mums and dads as they slurped down their Weetbix in the morning and to make Joe Hockey look like a fat dunce who is easily flustered into saying the wrong thing. DOH !

 

[todster]

Todster you do realise that the school is NEVER going to complain for fear of missing out on any future funding? Also that school teachers are probably right up there with wharfies when it comes to militant union action? You do realise that the media is a pack of card carrying Laborites? Journalists have to be a member of the AJA or they simply do not get a job. Sound familiar? No ticket No start kinda stuff.

How can you get factual reporting when the system let's you down? Ming Chow Kluddy sees all and knows all and is a very good media manipulator. All those mornings with Mel & Koshie were a means to an end to get in tight with the mums and dads as they slurped down their Weetbix in the morning and to make Joe Hockey look like a fat dunce who is easily flustered into saying the wrong thing. DOH !

Easy fixed lock all schools down employ security guards from NZ with dogs and Johns your uncle
Hey the good old days

 

[Calliope]

I'm surprised that you guys take this todster seriously. I can only repeat the one-liner;

"Never argue with a fool, they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience."

 

[nioka]

I'm surprised that you guys take this todster seriously. I can only repeat the one-liner;

"Never argue with a fool, they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience."

We are all fools in someones eyes. At what level are your continuous Rudd bashing posts? They are becoming monotonous and repetitive.

 

[Calliope]

We are all fools in someones eyes. At what level are your continuous Rudd bashing posts? They are becoming monotonous and repetitive.

Sorry about that. Perhaps, if you can't think of any achievements, you should log off.

 

[trainspotter]

We are all fools in someones eyes. At what level are your continuous Rudd bashing posts? They are becoming monotonous and repetitive.

You will also see that I equally have bashed the mad monk for his lack of identity and the fact that the more he stays quiet the better off he is in the polls. LOLOL Tony Abbott for PM I think is the thread.

 

[trainspotter]

I'm surprised that you guys take this todster seriously. I can only repeat the one-liner;

"Never argue with a fool, they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience."

Never a truer word spoken comrade Calliope !

 

[nioka]

Sorry about that. Perhaps, if you can't think of any achievements, you should log off.

I'll log off. You beat me with experience.

 

[nioka]

Had to log back on after finding what may be the answer to the high cost of the school improvement plan.

" Three contractors are bidding on a school extension.

A canberra contractor works out some figures and comes up with $90,000. He explains the price as $40,000 for labour,$40,000 for materials and $10,000 profit. The Melbourne based contractor goes into discussions with his staff and comes up with $70,000 and explains it with $30,000 for labour, $30,000 for materials and $10,000 profit.
The Sydney contractor doesn't even consult the plans etc but straight out quotes $170,000. The government official askes how he arrived at that price. The Sydney bloke whispers to the official "$50,000 for you, $50,000 for me and we hire the Melbourne bloke to do the job.

"done" is the reply. And that may be the answer to how a stimulus plan works.

 

[drsmith]

The Sydney bloke whispers to the official "$50,000 for you, $50,000 for me and we hire the Melbourne bloke to do the job.

"done" is the reply. And that may be the answer to how a stimulus plan works.

There's no practical reason why this could not happen. The Sydney contractor would obviously have to declare the full amount on his tax ($170k, $100k profit) so the negotiated outcome may be different in that it is equal after taking into account the Sydney bloke's tax on the $100k profit.

The official can then spend his share (perhaps after hiding it under the bed for a little) thus satisfying the government criteria of economic stimilus. That then gives the government a warm, fuzzy feeling as they have maintained economic growth and helped those who are politically alligned with them.

God help us!

 

[trainspotter]

FAIL


THE Rudd Government has broken its promise to build 260 new childcare centres.

Child Care Minister Kate Ellis today said a new report showed there were 65,780 long day care vacancies every day and out of pocket costs for working families had halved so there was no need to deliver the pledge.

Ms Ellis claimed if the Government built more child care centres it would "threaten the viability'' of those already operating and could hurt families.

Kevin Rudd had promised his Government would build 260 early learning and child care centres to help working families. Now only 38 of those centres will be built.

"The evidence tells us that an injection of more centres could threaten the viability of existing services and cause disruption for Australian families, just as the market is settling after the collapse of ABC Learning,'' Ms Ellis said.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...hildcare-centres/story-e6frfku0-1225856967587

It just gets better and better ! Ever tried to get a position for your kids in Daycare?? I don't know where they get their intel from BUT I can assure you there is a waiting list and NOT an oversupply !

 

[noco]

FAIL


THE Rudd Government has broken its promise to build 260 new childcare centres.

Child Care Minister Kate Ellis today said a new report showed there were 65,780 long day care vacancies every day and out of pocket costs for working families had halved so there was no need to deliver the pledge.

Ms Ellis claimed if the Government built more child care centres it would "threaten the viability'' of those already operating and could hurt families.

Kevin Rudd had promised his Government would build 260 early learning and child care centres to help working families. Now only 38 of those centres will be built.

"The evidence tells us that an injection of more centres could threaten the viability of existing services and cause disruption for Australian families, just as the market is settling after the collapse of ABC Learning,'' Ms Ellis said.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...hildcare-centres/story-e6frfku0-1225856967587

It just gets better and better ! Ever tried to get a position for your kids in Daycare?? I don't know where they get their intel from BUT I can assure you there is a waiting list and NOT an oversupply !

And the Rudd controlled media lets it all slip through to the keeper. That's our Prime Minister!!!!!!!!!!

 

[moXJO]

And the Rudd controlled media lets it all slip through to the keeper. That's our Prime Minister!!!!!!!!!!

That should be on the achievement list.

 

[bunyip]

Had to log back on after finding what may be the answer to the high cost of the school improvement plan.

" Three contractors are bidding on a school extension.

A canberra contractor works out some figures and comes up with $90,000. He explains the price as $40,000 for labour,$40,000 for materials and $10,000 profit. The Melbourne based contractor goes into discussions with his staff and comes up with $70,000 and explains it with $30,000 for labour, $30,000 for materials and $10,000 profit.
The Sydney contractor doesn't even consult the plans etc but straight out quotes $170,000. The government official askes how he arrived at that price. The Sydney bloke whispers to the official "$50,000 for you, $50,000 for me and we hire the Melbourne bloke to do the job.

"done" is the reply. And that may be the answer to how a stimulus plan works.

Well however it works, there's corruption in there somewhere. There will be an investigation of some kind, and hopefully Julia Gillards head will be on the line if the truth ever comes out.

 

[sam76]

Fail:

Rudd government promising 260 new child care centres before election and only delivering 38 before pulling the plug citing 'not needed'

How many votes did that buy before hand and lose today...

This government is pathetic.

 

[Julia]

Yep, and according to Chris Urhlman on the 7.30 Report this evening, hardly any journalists turned up to the press conference announcing the non-building of the promised childcare centres because the advice of the announcement gave no indication what it was about.

In the event the reduction in centres was quietly buried in the middle of a larger amount of waffle.

And significantly, the news was dwarfed by the football scandal.
Surely no one thinks that's just a coincidence.

In fact, though, I'm quite happy that my tax dollars are not funding more child care centres. That should be the province of private enterprise, imo.