Whale wars

[Ato]

"What we really need is for the governments of Australia and New Zealand to step up and start enforcing maritime laws in these waters or who knows what the whalers will do next."

My bolding.

Funny that in these waters, neither government mentioned above have any legal jurisdiction whatsoever; ergo they cannot possibly enforce any maritime laws without causing legal issues themselves.

Of course, the sensationalist that the Pirate Captain Paul Watson is, knows this and uses it simply to stir up emotional & irrational argument from those who dont know it.

 

[IFocus]

My bolding.

Funny that in these waters, neither government mentioned above have any legal jurisdiction whatsoever; ergo they cannot possibly enforce any maritime laws without causing legal issues themselves.

Of course, the sensationalist that the Pirate Captain Paul Watson is, knows this and uses it simply to stir up emotional & irrational argument from those who dont know it.

Ato there is nothing irrational arguing that Japanese Government whaling is not research. Their propaganda that it is makes that argument irrational.

The Japanese Government signed up to an international agreement that they flaunt directly. That is irrational.

 

[gordon2007]

Ato there is nothing irrational arguing that Japanese Government whaling is not research. Their propaganda that it is makes that argument irrational.
The Japanese Government signed up to an international agreement that they flaunt directly. That is irrational.

Focus, I think you're missing the point. That the japanese are using a loophole to do their whaling has never been in question.

What is in question though is australia's claim to these waters. 98% of the world does not recognise these claims. Indeed there are many australian legal scholars that debate our own claims and state we have no legal case. That is one of the main reasons we have not brought anything up in a legal case.

Also what is in question is just how close these animals are to extinction. The majority of the whales that are hunted and killed for consumption are no where near extinction. Mink whales are the rabbits of the sea.

This guy is an attention seeking ***** who has no problem setting up misquided people and putting them in harms way, yet never have we heard a headline where he was the one sitting on a ships bow in front of a japanese vessel coming their way. Why...because he's a coward.

I have all the respect in the world for a person who believes in a cause. But only when the do it in a legal and harmless way. And there are many ways he can move his cause forward without acting like a coward. Violence is not the solution here.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Focus, I think you're missing the point. That the japanese are using a loophole to do their whaling has never been in question.

What is in question though is australia's claim to these waters. 98% of the world does not recognise these claims. Indeed there are many australian legal scholars that debate our own claims and state we have no legal case. That is one of the main reasons we have not brought anything up in a legal case.

Also what is in question is just how close these animals are to extinction. The majority of the whales that are hunted and killed for consumption are no where near extinction. Mink whales are the rabbits of the sea.

This guy is an attention seeking ***** who has no problem setting up misquided people and putting them in harms way, yet never have we heard a headline where he was the one sitting on a ships bow in front of a japanese vessel coming their way. Why...because he's a coward.

I have all the respect in the world for a person who believes in a cause. But only when the do it in a legal and harmless way. And there are many ways he can move his cause forward without acting like a coward. Violence is not the solution here.

Good on you Gordon.

Exactly my sentiments.

gg

 

[IFocus]

Focus, I think you're missing the point. That the japanese are using a loophole to do their whaling has never been in question.

OK

What is in question though is australia's claim to these waters. 98% of the world does not recognise these claims. Indeed there are many australian legal scholars that debate our own claims and state we have no legal case. That is one of the main reasons we have not brought anything up in a legal case.

Agree, legal claim to this type territory only works if you are prepared to start shooting like UK over Falklands personally don't see the point.

Also what is in question is just how close these animals are to extinction. The majority of the whales that are hunted and killed for consumption are no where near extinction. Mink whales are the rabbits of the sea.

Two arguments,

1st emotional argument

Killing of a species such as whales is immoral full stop that's one I support.
Before anyone thinks I am soft I am from a farming back ground and from and era where we would wander down the front paddock select a killer (sheep for eating) take it up to the shed cut the throat, break the neck, hang up skin, gut, dress hang over for the night cut down next day and enjoy every morsel. Same when we had cattle etc.

I was raised a hunter to kill efficiency, for a reason and often to eat. Never for the blood lust as you see city folks do.

Killing of a whale goes no where even close to the efficiency I described above, its a long drawn out process of killing by brutalization of a highly intelligent mammal. To me gut retching same as if I failed to put an animal down quickly, its horrible.

2nd argument is give the Japanese a inch they take a light year. On this the Japanese have plenty of form just research Japans destruction of fishery's world wide. They just don't give a fat rats.

Interesting that most pro whalers just turn a blind eye.

Whales are in recovery world wide but not for hunting.

This guy is an attention seeking ***** who has no problem setting up misquided people and putting them in harms way, yet never have we heard a headline where he was the one sitting on a ships bow in front of a japanese vessel coming their way. Why...because he's a coward.

Friends family member is currently on board Sea Sheppard heading south as we speak and he is not misguided by any means. A university degree etc, from a wealthy family and has his head screwed on.

Paul Watson is no coward he seriously has balls.

I have all the respect in the world for a person who believes in a cause. But only when the do it in a legal and harmless way. And there are many ways he can move his cause forward without acting like a coward. Violence is not the solution here.

The Sea Sheppard is about direct action basically doing all the things you hate unfortunately that's the business they are in.

You will find that those being targeted by environment groups just don't play fair as they are screwing the place hence environment groups bending the law to take them on.

Personal view is I don't think the world is going to be saved by whaling protests but really there are few others that are actually doing any thing except record the rapid demise of our environment world wide.

I think history ( a couple of generations from now) when its all completely stuffed thanks to our collect inaction, exploding population and rapid increase in use of resources will record the Sea Sheppard and its crews as heroes, David and Goliath stuff, and the rest of us will be consigned to being described as a selfish bunch of dickheads with all the facts information and did............nothing

 

[nioka]

Killing of a whale goes no where even close to the efficiency I described above, its a long drawn out process of killing by brutalization of a highly intelligent mammal. To me gut retching same as if I failed to put an animal down quickly,

???????????????????????? Dont think you really know what you are talking about. You have been watching too many selected pictures. I could put togrther just as many "bad" results on farm kills. Have you actually been there?

 

[gordon2007]

of a highly intelligent mammal.

yeah sorry, but still just a glorified fish. When they learn to multi-task, invent things and make my world easier and more fun to live in, then I may be impressed.

give the Japanese a inch they take a light year.

Too general of a statement. To me it just sounds as though you're anti japanese full stop.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

yeah sorry, but still just a glorified fish. When they learn to multi-task, invent things and make my world easier and more fun to live in, then I may be impressed.

You make considerable sense Gordon.

The Egyptians used worship cats I believe, and most Australians consider the damn things a pest and sneaky killers of our own beautiful wildlife.

It is all a fad this whale bothering.

gg

 

[gordon2007]

You make considerable sense Gordon./QUOTE]
Yes, this is what happens when I don't drink for a month. This phenomenon is caused by febfast.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

You make considerable sense Gordon./QUOTE]
Yes, this is what happens when I don't drink for a month. This phenomenon is caused by febfast.

lol

Start a religion mate, I'll be your Deacon. We'd be bound to make a quid. Febfast has a ring to it.

gg

 

[Macquack]

It is all a fad this whale bothering.

gg

Let's hope it is a fad and the Japanese give up on bothering the whales.

 

[IFocus]

yeah sorry, but still just a glorified fish. When they learn to multi-task, invent things and make my world easier and more fun to live in, then I may be impressed.

This makes our discuss pointless................thanks for the trivialization I thought you had something serious to say..............

Too general of a statement.

Your joking see above comments

To me it just sounds as though you're anti japanese full stop.

By no means anti Japanese.

 

[IFocus]

???????????????????????? Dont think you really know what you are talking about. You have been watching too many selected pictures. I could put togrther just as many "bad" results on farm kills. Have you actually been there?

I am sure you could nioka but stick to the facts on how a whale dies when shot with the explosive harpoon.

 

[nioka]

I am sure you could nioka but stick to the facts on how a whale dies when shot with the explosive harpoon.

The bomb on the end of the harpoon explodes on a time fuse set to ge off as the harpoon is lodged within the whale. This, in almost all cases, causes instant death. As with most things killed there are "death throes" (chop off a chickens head and it is dead but it will still thrash around).

If by any chance the whale is not instantly killed then another bomb is fired immediately. The second one is on a wooden dummy harpoon but the bomb is no dummy. They contain more explosive than half a dozen grenades.

 

[gordon2007]

This makes our discuss pointless................thanks for the trivialization I thought you had something serious to say..............
QUOTE]

So given that rationalisation, I should not have taken any of your points serious after writing that the anti whalers can do anything they want because they wear a white hat, as opposed to a black hat that the japanese wear?

double standards?

 

[IFocus]

This makes our discuss pointless................thanks for the trivialization I thought you had something serious to say..............
QUOTE]

So given that rationalisation, I should not have taken any of your points serious after writing that the anti whalers can do anything they want because they wear a white hat, as opposed to a black hat that the japanese wear?

double standards?

Good point

 

[IFocus]

The bomb on the end of the harpoon explodes on a time fuse set to ge off as the harpoon is lodged within the whale. This, in almost all cases, causes instant death. As with most things killed there are "death throes" (chop off a chickens head and it is dead but it will still thrash around).

If by any chance the whale is not instantly killed then another bomb is fired immediately. The second one is on a wooden dummy harpoon but the bomb is no dummy. They contain more explosive than half a dozen grenades.

Reminds me of an old Playboy mag cartoon where a crayfish is dropping humans into a boiling pot of water.

Caption read "Its OK the loud shrieks are just air escaping from the lungs.”

 

[Wysiwyg]

Mountain gorillas are not stable enough to be harvested sustainably.

This bloke must feel equally at home ripping a lettuce out of the ground as putting a bullet in a gorillas head. Some sort of thought extremist maybe.

 

[gordon2007]

Reminds me of an old Playboy mag cartoon where a crayfish is dropping humans into a boiling pot of water.

Caption read "Its OK the loud shrieks are just air escaping from the lungs.”

haha...now that's funny!

 

[Agentm]

Report from Barrow: 4th grader harpoons whale

Posted by thevillage

Posted: October 7, 2009 - 3:36 pm

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Photo and caption courtesy of Bridget Edwardsen This is Paul Patkotak of Barrow. He is a young harpooner for Panigeo crew. Paul harpooned this whale and once he harpooned it, it officially died. The whale was 32'7". Paul is the son of Maria & Ellis Patkotak and he is only in 4th grade!Photo and caption courtesy of Bridget Edwardsen
This is Paul Patkotak of Barrow. He is a young harpooner for Panigeo crew. Paul harpooned this whale and once he harpooned it, it officially died. The whale was 32'7". Paul is the son of Maria & Ellis Patkotak and he is only in 4th grade!

By BRIDGET EDWARDSEN, of Barrow:

On Tuesday around noon, Panigeo crew struck a whale. Pauyuuraq Brower of Barrow shot the whale with the darting gun. Then Paul Patkotak, 9-year-old son of Maria & Ellis Patkotak, harpooned the bowhead whale and officially killed the whale.

Paul is a 4th grader at Ipalook Elementary School & is very into his culture. He loves to go whaling with his uncle Qulliuq Pebley, who is the Captian of Panigeo Crew, he loves to go subsistence hunting and camping. The family was overjoyed in tears when they heard that their 9-year-old Paul harpooned the 32' 7" whale.

This is big news for Barrow, usually kids are not allowed on the boat until they are a certain age. I think Paul is the youngest kid to actually harpoon & kill a bowhead whale.

Once they arrived & beached the whale, the family was overjoyed. His mother could not believe that her son actually caught the whale.