Whale wars

[IFocus]

Just because WE (australia) claim these waters to be ours does NOT mean we are correct. This has been stated many times in this thread, 99% of the world does not recognise our claim, NOT just japan. It is why we have not bothered with any international legal cases against anyone regarding these same waters.

If american went and stated a claim to these waters, with the rest of the world not recognising same claim, I'm quite certain they would be branded arrogant and many other things. So why are WE (australia) being just as arrogant?

WE (australia) have no justifyable claim to these waters. Many nations fish in these very same waters, yet we never hear about it because they are not whaling. If WE (australia) think these are our waters, why are we NOT protecting them the same as we do when countries fish in our border waters?

Yep remember this one

Australian Customs vessels have pursued illegal toothfishing ships, the chase in the Viarsa incident went on for 7200 kilometers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viarsa_1

 

[IFocus]

Whale watching in the 1950s.

Thousands of people watched the whales being caught from coastal vantage points daily. At any time of the day or night there was a crowd watching the flensing at Byron Bay. On Sundays a train used to go from Casino to Byron Bay and another from Murwillumbah. Cars parked opposite the whaling station would number in the hundreds ( I have photos to prove that).

The whaling was an important local employer. The businesses in the town did a roaring trade.

Byron Bay was the smallest station in Australia.

It was a different era and Australia has moved on, blood sports tend to only exist in the mainstream in 3rd world countries although bull fighting comes to mind.

I'm pro whaling. I dont kiss a### for anyone. Are you one who thinks everyone acts like you? Are you kissing the a/// of the skipper of the protest ship ?

Then why would you support the Japanese?

Nor does pro whaling make me anti Aussie.

If its against Australian interests?

I'd like to see Aussie whaling and its benefits to the Aussie economy.I'd like to see it happen while there are still some of us around that know the ropes.

Why would Australia take up whaling again? Even the Liberals wouldn't support that.

As for the Japanese, live and let live. (One reason why the Japanese entered the last war was because they were denied raw materials from the western world.) Do you want them to send the Japanese navy with thier whaling fleet and do you want Rudd to send ours?

At least we agree on some thing

 

[Macquack]

So why are WE (australia) being just as arrogant?

It is the Japanese who are being arrogant on this issue.

There are two basic issues here. One is Japan's illegal whaling activities conducted under the bull sh*t presumption of "scientific research". The second issue is the Japanese are conducting their illegal whaling in our territorial waters. To make a stand on either issue is a matter of principle.

 

[Macquack]

What a completely arrogant ignorant narrowminded statement. But according to your standards, I am against. Shall we meet next week for an old fashioned gun duel?

Support of a government policy position is considered by gordon2007 to be "a completely arrogant ignorant narrowminded statement"?

To keep on topic and be authentic, lets make it an old fashioned harpoon duel.

 

[Calliope]

The second issue is the Japanese are conducting their illegal whaling in our territorial waters. To make a stand on either issue is a matter of principle.

The only principal involved is that you and your ilk think whales are sacred. The Japanese think they are just fish to be caught and eaten like any other fish. All this talk about territorial waters is nonsense.

 

[Macquack]

The only principal involved is that you and your ilk think whales are sacred. The Japanese think they are just fish to be caught and eaten like any other fish. All this talk about territorial waters is nonsense.

Whales are mammals, not fish. What the Japanese do to another mammal of the sea, the dolphin is another "bloodly" disgrace.

My "ilk" just happens to be the majority of the International Whaling Commission.

 

[Calliope]

My "ilk" just happens to be the majority of the International Whaling Commission.

The IWC is a joke. Whales can be harvested at a sustainable level and they know this. Whales are not a sacred animal, except in the minds of eco-terrorists.

 

[c-unit]

There is no way Kevin will take Japan to an international court. The man is all talk. The election will be before his deadline, and it will be yet another broken promise by the most dispicable leader this country has ever had.

 

[IFocus]

The IWC is a joke. Whales can be harvested at a sustainable level and they know this. Whales are not a sacred animal, except in the minds of eco-terrorists.

Whales can be harvested at a sustainable level only in the minds of pro whaling terrorists.

 

[gordon2007]

The second issue is the Japanese are conducting their illegal whaling in our territorial waters.

You still have not addressed the issue that it is australia and only 4-6 other countries that recognise these waters as australian. You seem to be more annoyed that japan is in 'our' waters than anything else. When the very question is....are these actually 'our waters? Again, if 99% of the world says "NO" then surely we must rethink what is ours and what is not.

 

[IFocus]

Whales are not a sacred animal, except in the minds of eco-terrorists.

Just further to this my in-laws run a Eco tourism business out of Exmouth and the whale sharks (a little of track) attract a lot of attention world wide along with the other gems Ningaloo etc.

They would be and rightly so highly offended by your remarks to them the environment is sacred and not a farm.

The Eco business Australia wide is big dollars and is great for those communities not located in the suburbs people don't come here from over seas just to visit concrete jungles.

So your term Eco terrorists would likely apply not just to people like myself but to a great number of hard working Australians (like the in-laws) trying to run a business around one of the few assets that actually is sustainable if some one doesn't kill the golden goose literally.

 

[Calliope]

So your term Eco terrorists would likely apply not just to people like myself but to a great number of hard working Australians (like the in-laws) trying to run a business around one of the few assets that actually is sustainable if some one doesn't kill the golden goose literally.

If you think the cap fits... wear it. I was referring to animal rights nuts and the Sea Shepherd terrorists.

Much as you can try to claim the moral high ground, I'm afraid your unreal fascination with whales and your hatred of those you term Japanese ar*e kissers have clouded your judgement.

 

[IFocus]

Much as you can try to claim the moral high ground, I'm afraid your unreal fascination with whales and your hatred of those you term Japanese ar*e kissers have clouded your judgement.

The high moral ground is to end whaling...........

Not a fascination, concerned about where the future is headed and the real disaster we hand onto future generations yes.

Definitely no hatred of anyone, really pointless emotion ........least of all any posters here and my judgment is just fine.

 

[Julia]

There is no way Kevin will take Japan to an international court. The man is all talk.

Agree. Just add it to the list of Kev's "gunna's".
Sounds good at the time, as did his vow to protect Australians against rising grocery prices with Grocery Watch, and against petrol price rises with "Fuel Watch".
Nothing wrong with "Whale Watch".

 

[Calliope]

The high moral ground is to end whaling...........

Not a fascination, concerned about where the future is headed and the real disaster we hand onto future generations yes.

Definitely no hatred of anyone, really pointless emotion ........least of all any posters here and my judgment is just fine.

You have already assumed the moral high ground. You are too good to be true. I hope your halo doesn't slip off.

 

[nioka]

The high moral ground is to end whaling...........

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My mistake. I thought the moral high ground was to use a food resource in a sustainable manner. Or is it not my mistake but yours after all. Is it moral to deny another alternative food source in a world where many are starving?.

 

[Calliope]

My mistake. I thought the moral high ground was to use a food resource in a sustainable manner. Or is it not my mistake but yours after all. Is it moral to deny another alternative food source in a world where many are starving?.

Mr Garrett has provided a timely example of what happens when environmentalists assume they what they set as the moral high ground can work in the real world. While he was giving priority to whales and reptiles, he completely forgot that he had been given a real job which he neglected with disastrous results.

 

[gordon2007]

And just to stoke these flames a bit higher
Courtesy of our lovely news.com.au

"Australia, along with New Zealand, opposes Japan's killing of hundreds of whales each year and allows ships of the militant environmental group the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society to use its ports."

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...ot-a-legal-issue/story-e6frfku9-1225833147394

oh I do like that term 'militant'. Aren't the taliban and other iraqi groups called militants too?

 

[Calliope]

oh I do like that term 'militant'. Aren't the taliban and other iraqi groups called militants too?

Apparently if they are anti-whaling, Australia and NZ will not only condone any terrorist activities by the eco-terrorists, but will provide port facilities. In my opinion Japan has a good case to take to the International Court regarding these two countries aiding and abetting terrorists.

 

[IFocus]

You are too good to be true. .

If only my wife thought that