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nunthewiser said:
on the flip side





what kind of sick #$%^&%$ does this kind of stuff ????

sad sad world
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As Mr Burns has pointed out, the kind of sick **** who goes on to be violent with people.
My personal view is that the original crime against the dog is the worse, in that people have the opportunity to defend themselves to some extent, or walk away, seek police assistance etc. The poor animal has no defence at all.


nunthewiser said:
yep

prefer an eye for an eye situation in matters like these and other acts of gross brutality

but thats for another private thought..............
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I completely agree. And the RSPCA's valiant efforts to this end are continually smacked in the face by stupid, indulgent, nutty magistrates who don't deliver a penalty which in any way teaches the abuser any sort of lesson. Usually a fine, which is simply ignored.
Shame on the judiciary.
 
From Nine MSN
FAMILY ROTTWEILER MAULS 5YO
Posted Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:48pm AEDT

A five-year-old boy was critically injured after being attacked by a dog at Broadford, north of Melbourne.
The boy was taken to the Kilmore Hospital, then driven to the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne with critical head injuries after being attacked by the family rottweiler.
Police believe the boy's father was mowing the lawn and didn't hear his son call for help as he was attacked by the family's five-year-old rottweiler.

Acting Sergeant Tom Brown, says it could have been far worse.
"We believe the father of the child was mowing the rear lawn, and didn't realise the dog had actually grabbed the child by the head, until such time as he actually saw it occurring," he said.
"We've since been advised that the child is actually conscious and as far as we're aware has no lasting injuries."

Acting Sergeant Brown says it is not known whether the dog will be put down.
"The dog itself has been impounded by the Council. We'll liaise with the Council and the family to determine what fate the dog will have basically but from from a police point of view it was just an unfortunate accident that happened," he said.

Kidsafe Victoria is calling for compulsory obedience training for all dogs after the attack.
Kidsafe propose that certified dog training be part of dog licence requirements.
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What can I say?

Police suggests "unfortunate accident", but many of "unfortunate accidents" could be easily avoided.
 
Of course all dogs should be obedience trained.

That, however, is not going to preclude an instinctive reaction on a dog's part if a child does something inappropriate to it, like stick a pencil into its ear.

The child in this instance was just five years old. No child under about 12 should ever, ever be unsupervised with any dog.

So simplistic 'solutions' like all dogs should receive training before acquiring a dog licence would do no harm but will make absolutely no difference to a scenario such as described above.
 
I'd be in favour of licences and complusory training, even though I don't like the idea of being forced to do it myself (as I will do it anyway at my convenience). I would also be in favour of licences for babies :eek:.
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/6233185
AAP October 19, 2009, 6:20 am

PARAMEDICS PUT DOWN ATTACK DOG

Paramedics have put down a dog described by police as an American pit bull terrier that killed a small dog and crushed a man's hand in its powerful jaws for at least 20 minutes.
Police and paramedics were called to Arundel Avenue, Reservoir, in Melbourne's north, where the roaming pit bull had attacked a man walking his two small dogs at about 7.20pm (AEDT) on Sunday.
The pit bull killed one of the smaller dogs and injured the other, then clamped down on the man's hand when he tried to intervene.
Police say the dog's jaws remained locked on the man's hand for more than 20 minutes.
"Emergency services arrived at the scene and initially all efforts to release the man from the dog's grasp were unsuccessful," Victoria Police spokeswoman Marika Fengler said.
Police did not shoot the dog, she said, but she confirmed that the dog died at the scene after paramedics used "their resources" to assist police in freeing the man.
The victim, a 30-year-old Reservoir man, was taken to the Northern Hospital.
The owner of the pit bull, a 25-year-old Reservoir man, has been interviewed by police.
Investigations are continuing.
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American pit bull terriers often are mentioned as killing machines and they had to be fearless to attack pig, but as pet?

Just hope that one does not attack me, as there is legal loophole that allows bringing them into Australia.
 
What a horrible experience for the poor man.
I don't usually go for banning a particular breed, but the Pit Bull is an exception.
Hope this one is put down and eventually they are outlawed.
 
The owner should be thrown in jail.

If that dog had seen a mother with baby in a pusher it could have killed it easily.

The law is altogether too slack, thats why we have idiots like this loose in our midst
 
Are we slow learners or what?

It is absolutely idiotic that one state can ban a dog type and in another it is legal.

I agree with you MrBurns
 
Given the frequency of serious dog attacks you'd think that something could be done to improve the situation - I agree harsher penalties would be a good start.
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/australian-news/6476285/detectives-called-in-after-12-dogs-maul-man/

DETECTIVES CALLED IN AFTER 12 DOGS MAUL MAN
Iskhandar Razak, ABC November 16, 2009, 10:13 am

A 22-year-old Northern Territory man has died after being mauled by a pack of dogs in Arnhem Land, police say.
Superintendent Rob Farmer says police had to use capsicum spray to drag the dogs away from the man, who later died at a health clinic in Maningrida, 350 kilometres east of Darwin.
He says police were called to a disturbance about 1.30am on Sunday when they came across the gruesome incident.
"While travelling to the disturbance they found a man lying face down on the side of the road being mauled by a pack of about 12 dogs," he said.
"Police went to the man's aid and using capsicum spray and other force they've managed to disperse the dogs.
"But the man sustained a large number of bites from the dogs.
Police commenced CPR a short time later, but he could not be saved.
Because of the earlier disturbance involving the deceased man, detectives were investigating the matter.
"Major crime flew out there yesterday and are investigating the circumstances surrounding the death and autopsy is going to be conducted and a report prepared for the coroner," he said.
The chief executive of the Shire of West Arnhem, Mark Griffin, is calling for hundreds of thousands of dollars in new funding to control vicious camp dogs.
Mr Griffin says the West Arnhem Shire's strategic plan calls for $450,000 annually to control aggressive roaming dogs.
"Maningrida has dog dreaming so there is cultural significance to the dog population with Maningrida and we have been talking to the community to try and work out the best way to actually control some of these vicious animals," he said.
"However, whenever you do go up to the families who own these animals and ask for them to be voluntarily destroyed, they do decline that option."
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Hopefully culturally significant pack of dogs will not be roaming streets of NSW.
 
Toddler bitten by Husky dog at Melbourne's hair salon, suppose no big deal, another unfortunate incident and just face scarred.
 
Happy said:
Toddler bitten by Husky dog at Melbourne's hair salon, suppose no big deal, another unfortunate incident and just face scarred.
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Don't you think you should offer a link or more fully describe what happened?

By implication you are suggesting the dog in question is unreasonably vicious.
You make no allowance for whatever the circumstances may have been or consideration that the toddler (who should under no circumstances have been left alone close to any dog) may have provoked the dog.

These constant reports are similar to those which say "Another toddler drowned in backyard swimming pool", and as a result all pool owners are forced to add more security to their already secure pools. The reason children drown in pools is that they are not properly supervised. No child who cannot swim should ever be left for a millisecond with possible access to any source of water, including pools, rivers, dams, anything.

The same with dogs. Until a child is at least 12 and has had some experience with dogs, they should never, ever be left unsupervised with even the most apparently friendly of dogs. If a child e.g. pokes something into the dog's eyes or ears, swings on its tail, etc. then the dog is going to react the only way that is instinctive to it.

Happy you seem to have made it your mission in life to post every account you can find of dogs causing injury to human beings. What's your motivation here?
 
Dog owners should be made to have proper insurance guaranteeing payments up to $100 million for attacks on humans and indeed other animals. Certain breeds and crossbreeds should be muzzled on all but the owners private land and only then, provided it is properly fenced.
All dog owners should be made to pass a course on how to look after dogs and certain breeds.
If a dog, then listed, is found NOT to be wearing a muzzle in a public place, then a minimum fine of $2,000 should apply and $10,000 for subsequent offences.
An annual dog licence fee should be set at $200 per annum per dog and a fine of $10,000 minimum for being uninsured, and $2,000 fine for not having an up to date licence and $10,000 for subsequent failures to licence.
All dogs should be properly microchipped and any dog found not microchipped should be put down. A charge of $10,000 to be paid by the owner.
Tough on crime and the causes of crime will cut down dog attacks.
 
Noirua, that's fairly unreasonable and I doubt it would solve anything.
Most "dog attacks" happen at either the owner's home or that of a friend and occur when little children are left unsupervised with a dog.

You are putting forward a similar argument as that to which I'm objecting about backyard pools.

In both instances, it's the responsibility of parents to supervise their children.

It's very rare for dogs to make unprovoked attacks on people in a public place.

But I do agree with you about dog owners being required to have their dogs trained.

Have you had a personal bad experience with a dog that you are so against them?
 
Julia, The only experience I had was watching a Pyrenean Mountain dog attack a man, which appeared to be for no reason. The power in those jaws and sudden turn of speed shook me at the time and he was scarred for life. It looked as if the dog took an instant dislike to him as it ignored me completely.
The owner paid the man a sum that was not disclosed. A few years later it attacked again and it was put down - a comment was made that once an animal tastes human blood it must be destroyed.

I was really pointing for the need for owners to be trained, as well as dogs, and pass a proficiency test.

It is right as you say that most attacks occur in the home, backyard etc., I noticed a sign on one property noting that dogs were present and warning people that they entered at their own risk. Not sure that is a let out in law though. At least it gives a stark warning. No warning about the snakes and spiders though.

I did see an advertisement, when visiting Guernsey, that sold a push button high pitched siren that keeps or scares dogs away. Banned in some countries but not sure about America and Australia.
 
Julia said:
Don't you think you should offer a link or more fully describe what happened?
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Of course, no u-tube or www. link thing could not have happened.

For those who did not bump into news about this innocent incident:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/21/2749583.htm


Julia said:
Happy you seem to have made it your mission in life to post every account you can find of dogs causing injury to human beings. What's your motivation here?
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Quite simple:

Exterminate some vicious dog breeds, muzzle the rest when in contact with public, leash or not.:)
 
Noirua, watching such an attack would certainly leave an impression on you.
And yes, some breeds are genetically designed to be aggressive, sadly.
I don't know anything about that breed.

Happy, thank you for the link. It doesn't however give any details about how the attack happened, what the 20 month old child was doing to/with the dog at the time. Police say they have yet to investigate.
That said, I don't see a hair salon as the appropriate place for any dog, particularly a large working breed like a Husky.

Just to keep things in perspective, let's remember the millions of dogs which are well behaved because they have responsible owners who love them but do not anthropomorphise them, and who train and supervise them at all times.

Unfortunately there will always be some dogs which - usually because of human neglect or cruelty - will fail our standards.
 
Julia et al, I do also remember a little dog that was regularly left outside a small shop and was happy and friendly to see everyone. I did hear that someone kicked the poor dog senseless one day and it was a week later I saw it again. It was still as happy and friendly as before - something us humans would find difficult to be genuine about.
 
Noirua, thanks for that story. Such is the forgiving nature of dogs.
They continue to offer love even when they have multiple reasons to withdraw it. This makes the abuse from humans even more despicable.

Recently I was walking on the beach in a rocky area as quite a large tide was coming in. The waves were washing over the rocks with considerable force.
About 20 metres out a puppy was struggling to maintain his balance and was time and again washed off the rock into the waves. He kept clambering back.
A man was standing on the sand angrily telling the young dog to "come here".
It would have been quite easy for the dog to make his way across fairly flat rocks to the shore, but he clearly didn't want to do that.

The man said it was his uncle's dog. The uncle had come to stay at his property which was unfenced. Uncle had gone out leaving the puppy free.
He'd fairly naturally gone exploring and come down to the beach.
The man said "just wait till my uncle gets home, then the bloody dog will be sorry". I attempted to explain that the dog was just doing what was natural to him and should not be punished. Anyway if he was given a beating he would have no understanding of why. I expect I was wasting my breath.

The puppy was becoming more and more exhausted with his struggle and eventually inched his way out, ears back and tail tucked in, signs of capitulation and fear. He resisted the lead being put on and was eventually dragged away. I just felt quite sick.
 

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